While on the other side of 44, the Shell station at 44 & Hampton (SW corner) is now abandoned. What a terrible place for an abandoned gas station. The QT have eaten the Shell (or whatever it was) for lunch. In any event, the hope (unlikely) is that something other than an ugly gas station goes in there. The Old Jack in the Box needs to be demo'd. That is looking rough.
According to neighborhood page, MPS bought the Shell station and is going to rebuild it, to my chagrin.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑Aug 20, 2025While on the other side of 44, the Shell station at 44 & Hampton (SW corner) is now abandoned. What a terrible place for an abandoned gas station. The QT have eaten the Shell (or whatever it was) for lunch. In any event, the hope (unlikely) is that something other than an ugly gas station goes in there. The Old Jack in the Box needs to be demo'd. That is looking rough.
I recall reading on here that JITB was being turned into a coffee shop. If it turns into a 7Brew or something, I don't think it will play. The Chippewa location is a joke for traffic safety.
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^ I assume MPS is a gas station. What does MPS stand for?
While I am not a fan of these mini-drive-thru coffees shops, better than nothing I guess. The Scooters at Lindbergh & Tesson is a huge waste of a good sized lot. Sort of like the Starbucks on Hampton. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Zaxby's pop up on Hampton since they are supposedly expanding in STL. Not saying I support another fast food joint.
While I am not a fan of these mini-drive-thru coffees shops, better than nothing I guess. The Scooters at Lindbergh & Tesson is a huge waste of a good sized lot. Sort of like the Starbucks on Hampton. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Zaxby's pop up on Hampton since they are supposedly expanding in STL. Not saying I support another fast food joint.
Midwest Petroleum. Sorry, MPC, not MPS.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑Aug 20, 2025^ I assume MPS is a gas station. What does MPS stand for?
While I am not a fan of these mini-drive-thru coffees shops, better than nothing I guess. The Scooters at Lindbergh & Tesson is a huge waste of a good sized lot. Sort of like the Starbucks on Hampton. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Zaxby's pop up on Hampton since they are supposedly expanding in STL. Not saying I support another fast food joint.
Another drive thru coffee proposed for 1232 Hampton across from the drive-thru Starbucks. $850k building permit application submitted. On the March 18 Bard of Adjustment agenda.
Any hints on the brand?quincunx wrote: ↑3:29 PM - Feb 28Another drive thru coffee proposed for 1232 Hampton across from the drive-thru Starbucks. $850k building permit application submitted. On the March 18 Bard of Adjustment agenda.
Yes it does. A 7 Brew will be disastrous because those things are so damn busy all of the time.quincunx wrote: ↑3:46 PM - Feb 287 Brew. Does it really matter?
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redo the road between I44 and I40 Its a mess and long overdue
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What a mess of a stretch, if it was at least 1960s mid century architecture development, drive in vibes along this stretch (ie Courtesy Diner, former Talaynas, Imos a few of the office buildings) we could eventually live with that with some sprucing up but what a disaster entrance of an interstate crossing, gas stations and chain drive thru fast food into our premier park.
I really wish Hampton would have seen a different history with either the Arena being redeveloped into the aquarium, the zoo lots and parcels being developed, a less obtrusive hwy 40, or at least the highlands plaza/community college development being more intertwined with its surroundings
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I really wish Hampton would have seen a different history with either the Arena being redeveloped into the aquarium, the zoo lots and parcels being developed, a less obtrusive hwy 40, or at least the highlands plaza/community college development being more intertwined with its surroundings
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^Not to mention the vast wasteland where Deaconess Hospital was demolished. Why this site hasn't been a top priority for development is beyond me.
I agree. The stretch of Hampton between 44 and 64 should be a family tourism corridor. A few hotels. A few small attractions. The hospital site should be a large resort with indoor water park. A gondola between Zoo, Resort, Science Center. I dream.
The Zoo owns it but they're all in on the north county campus for now.stlgasm wrote: ↑2:41 AM - Mar 01^Not to mention the vast wasteland where Deaconess Hospital was demolished. Why this site hasn't been a top priority for development is beyond me.
https://stlzoo.org/about/wildcare-park
Board of Adjustment meeting today starting at 1:30. Can anyone testify against?quincunx wrote: ↑3:29 PM - Feb 28Another drive thru coffee proposed for 1232 Hampton across from the drive-thru Starbucks. $850k building permit application submitted. On the March 18 Bard of Adjustment agenda.
Would love to if I didn't have to work. Someone, please. At least make mention of the loophole in SLUP.quincunx wrote: ↑3:09 PM - Mar 18Board of Adjustment meeting today starting at 1:30. Can anyone testify against?quincunx wrote: ↑3:29 PM - Feb 28Another drive thru coffee proposed for 1232 Hampton across from the drive-thru Starbucks. $850k building permit application submitted. On the March 18 Bard of Adjustment agenda.
Ok but is there a case where they've actually listened? A real example, not like if you showed up maybe they would.
What loophole?bwcrow1s wrote: ↑4:47 PM - Mar 18Would love to if I didn't have to work. Someone, please. At least make mention of the loophole in SLUP.quincunx wrote: ↑3:09 PM - Mar 18Board of Adjustment meeting today starting at 1:30. Can anyone testify against?quincunx wrote: ↑3:29 PM - Feb 28Another drive thru coffee proposed for 1232 Hampton across from the drive-thru Starbucks. $850k building permit application submitted. On the March 18 Bard of Adjustment agenda.
Ald Narayan wrote a letter of support, smh.
That since it's a drive-thru, the SLUP parking requirements of this parcel (sides and front parking) don't apply. That's what Narayan told me too, in essence. I imagine it's built up to the street so it 'meets' the plan since it doesn't have any front or side parking.
Probably won't be voting for him next round. Hampton continues to be a blight. He didn't want to install speed bumps in neighborhood streets because it just 'moves the problem somewhere else'.. not if you install them rigorously. Somehow Vollmer was able to push them through all over ward 10.
The drive-thru will be between the building and Hampton.
Yet another business whose success depends on poisoning people with car pollution.
I forgot to ask if someone outside of a car can patronize the place.
Yet another business whose success depends on poisoning people with car pollution.
I forgot to ask if someone outside of a car can patronize the place.
I ultimately am not really fighting over car pollution here, I'm just asking for something better and standing behind the land utilization plan. And it's ultimately going against the spirit of the land utilization plan even if it is literally allowed. It proves it was likely a waste of time and wasted effort. Say less to your constituents when you ignore my emails for a week and a half and then submit a letter of support.
The orientation that so many alders have of "any development = good" is beyond frustrating, so much of our urban fabric lost to drive thrus, gas stations, etc because of that attitude.
This is largely the prevailing view on this very forum, not surprising that's the view of our legislature.PeterXCV wrote:The orientation that so many alders have of "any development = good" is beyond frustrating, so much of our urban fabric lost to drive thrus, gas stations, etc because of that attitude.
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It is better than a vacant Jack in the Box, if you ignore the negative externalities of a car magnet, but is far short of what this city needs. The FAR and thus property tax productivity will be low. More sales tax is good, but it comes at the cost of more traffic, crashes, pollution, wealth wasted on driving.