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Imagine taking the position that we need to ban drive thrus and in turn tons of business the city gets from drive thrus and their attatched businesses, and then claim that others are trolling lmao.

You're completely out of touch. Like your position, in this case specifically, is that there are real human beings that want to live on this part of Hampton, and the city needs to reject an actual real life development proposal that will generate significant sales tax revenue and will be heavily used by residents in the surrounding neighborhood, to accomadate this definitely totally real demand for residential.

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My point being that if anyone in leadership/stewardship of this stretch had an iota of forward thought they would be thinking about improving the streetscape, furthering towards a better future.  Instead it's just a connector for highways.  It fuels the problem.  And it perpetuates.  Of course some of this is MODOT directive too on traffic connections as I was told.  How does essentially ignoring the strategic land use plan that actually has future thought of the city at its core help anything? I'm not debating banning drive-thrus.  In fact there are a few downtown in mixed use state that work just fine.  Is it the highest desirable use of the prime real estate? No, but that's not the hill I'm dying on.  It's the low productivity car sewer sludge proposed here that the strategic land use plan implicitly is against and being cast aside.

Something small streetscape-wise would be installing a median similar to Kingshighway near the hospitals.  You could easily lose a lane going north here, get trees and flowers in the middle and instantly have something that felt less than the distress it holds now.  Just showing you value life here would go a long way, and in effect, possibly in an altruistic sense, culture a better future for the stretch, then we wouldn't be saying yes to the lowest hanging fruit.  Maybe there's a brighter future that just has to be imagined.  Or just sticking to the spirit of the plan as it's laid out for us.  No one is missing a 7 Brew when there's a Starbucks the next parcel over.  When does anyone say no?

I mean, they just had to shut southbound traffic just south of 44 to a single lane because of a main break and traffic survived just fine because it's literally a highway connection point at this rate.  Anything to make this stretch less distressed is a plus, someone just has to care first.  At a bare minimum, just fix the road to show you care at least that little.

Lastly, I lament the Kingshighway building being turned into more fast food.  Until someone in leadership shows some soul for their ward, it'll be sh*t in, sh*t out.

The Strategic Land Use plan is not changing the fact this stretch of Hampton is between 2 major interstates. Kingshighway between 64 and 44 isn't any better.

Denying a development proposal on a property that has been vacant for over a year at least is not gonna bring the dream any closer either.

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So, your solution is to say "***** it"?

My proposal is to get someone in here with a vision for improvement because what's been done the last 70 years isn't working.

I think the middle ground here was following the guidance of SLUP which is the defining vision for St. Louis City's land utilization.  That's a completely nonpartisan approach that everyone should be looking at, including developers.

bwcrow1s wrote:So, your solution is to say "***** it"?

My proposal is to get someone in here with a vision for improvement because what's been done the last 70 years isn't working.

I think the middle ground here was following the guidance of SLUP which is the defining vision for St. Louis City's land utilization.  That's a completely nonpartisan approach that everyone should be looking at, including developers.

Or maybe at least act like you have a brain and realize there are better places to direct frustration and resources on land use that are not a vacant site on an extremely car oriented street that connects two interstates and a state highway.

A better place would be the Salvation Army building like less than a block away. Or maybe getting some of the gas stations nearby to close. Or Vandaventer with the new bike infrastructure. Or the vacant medical building at Chippewa and Landsdowne.

In your vision, what goes in here? And how long does the city have to wait for it? And what damage would a long vacant site do to this area?

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