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Really sad to see St. Louis continue to fall further behind cities it was literally double or triple the size of a generation ago. I remember visiting family in Nashville as a kid and thinking it was such a hick town. Now I imagine people from Nashville visit St. Louis and think we're the cowtown. Regional leadership in St. Louis is literally sleep at the wheel and it's ridiculous. 

I know this is not a popular opinion, but it seems like NFL cities get more love & press in the media. The NFL, thanks to gambling & the overall growth of the sport has become so much more than it was even when the Rams were here. I know the direct economic impact is not massive, but the other things brought to a city should be considered. The PR, press, notoriety, the ability to offer that amenity to prospective residents, etc. etc. I understand many of the owners are horrible people & they totally screwed STL. That being said, what would have that North Riverfront stadium done for us. We'd have a team, a developed north riverfront, the Landing & Casino would have benefited, we'd probably have World Cup games here & we'd have that PR, press & notoriety. Not to mention, KC couldn't hold the fact that they have a team over our heads. So many good things would have come from us having a team here, looking beyond the financial impact. I SO wish our local 'leaders' didn't screw it up with the Big Red. It would have been so cool to have the baseball & football Cardinals here, along with a 50+ year history of NFL football here in STL. Looking at a city like Nashville, KC & Indy frustrates me to no end. We SHOULD have grown so much more over the last 30 years, yet here we are. 

goat314 wrote:Really sad to see St. Louis continue to fall further behind cities it was literally double or triple the size of a generation ago. I remember visiting family in Nashville as a kid and thinking it was such a hick town. Now I imagine people from Nashville visit St. Louis and think we're the cowtown. Regional leadership in St. Louis is literally sleep at the wheel and it's ridiculous. 

St. Louis is still significantly larger than Nashville.

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DogtownBnR wrote:I know this is not a popular opinion, but it seems like NFL cities get more love & press in the media. The NFL, thanks to gambling & the overall growth of the sport has become so much more than it was even when the Rams were here. I know the direct economic impact is not massive, but the other things brought to a city should be considered. The PR, press, notoriety, the ability to offer that amenity to prospective residents, etc. etc. I understand many of the owners are horrible people & they totally screwed STL. That being said, what would have that North Riverfront stadium done for us. We'd have a team, a developed north riverfront, the Landing & Casino would have benefited, we'd probably have World Cup games here & we'd have that PR, press & notoriety. Not to mention, KC couldn't hold the fact that they have a team over our heads. So many good things would have come from us having a team here, looking beyond the financial impact. I SO wish our local 'leaders' didn't screw it up with the Big Red. It would have been so cool to have the baseball & football Cardinals here, along with a 50+ year history of NFL football here in STL. Looking at a city like Nashville, KC & Indy frustrates me to no end. We SHOULD have grown so much more over the last 30 years, yet here we are. 

It's not an "opinion", it's a fact that NFL cities get a lot more positive attention and have more opportunities for large and unique events than non-NFL cities. This is a large part in why STL should try to get another NFL team should the opportunity arise.

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I agree!

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goat314 wrote:Really sad to see St. Louis continue to fall further behind cities it was literally double or triple the size of a generation ago. I remember visiting family in Nashville as a kid and thinking it was such a hick town. Now I imagine people from Nashville visit St. Louis and think we're the cowtown. Regional leadership in St. Louis is literally sleep at the wheel and it's ridiculous. 

St. Louis is still significantly larger than Nashville.

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St. Louis is still larger GDP/pop than Nashville but it’s behind it in the national consciousness for sure. Charlotte passing StL and Austin approaching StL in population/GDP has been concerning

StL has lost its relevance among the general public, especially young people. Just gotta make progress at making this a better place to live and visit and hopefully we get back to that relevance

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goat314 wrote:Really sad to see St. Louis continue to fall further behind cities it was literally double or triple the size of a generation ago. I remember visiting family in Nashville as a kid and thinking it was such a hick town. Now I imagine people from Nashville visit St. Louis and think we're the cowtown. Regional leadership in St. Louis is literally sleep at the wheel and it's ridiculous. 

St. Louis is still significantly larger than Nashville.

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St. Louis is still larger GDP/pop than Nashville but it’s behind it in the national consciousness for sure. Charlotte passing StL and Austin approaching StL in population/GDP has been concerning

StL has lost its relevance among the general public, especially young people. Just gotta make progress at making this a better place to live and visit and hopefully we get back to that relevance

People that never leave St. Louis often don't realize how far behind the region is. It literally feels like it's a generation behind most successful metro areas and that's not appealing to the young and talented. This is not the 1970s anymore. Professionals can choose to live anywhere they want. St. Louis cannot afford to have so much blight, abandonment, segregation, and regressive politics in 2026.

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St. Louis is still significantly larger than Nashville.

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St. Louis is still larger GDP/pop than Nashville but it’s behind it in the national consciousness for sure. Charlotte passing StL and Austin approaching StL in population/GDP has been concerning

StL has lost its relevance among the general public, especially young people. Just gotta make progress at making this a better place to live and visit and hopefully we get back to that relevance

People that never leave St. Louis often don't realize how far behind the region is. It literally feels like it's a generation behind most successful metro areas and that's not appealing to the young and talented. This is not the 1970s anymore. Professionals can choose to live anywhere they want. St. Louis cannot afford to have so much blight, abandonment, segregation, and regressive politics in 2026.

1) Missouri actively working to ensure its cities stay behind by enacting the worst conservative policies and removing the remaining liberal policies.

2) 16 years of Francis Slay basically ensured that St. Louis would stay in 2000 for decades. It wasn't until the latter half of Krewson that STL actually started doing things that other cities had been doing for 10+ years.

3) The segregation and the refusal of the suburbs to have any collective action for the betterment of the region.

I've said this before, but Lucas Oil Stadium and the Indiana Convention Center gets a 1% food and beverage tax from the "ring" counties that surround Indianapolis. That is so unheard of in St. Louis that the county refuses to provide any more funding to the convention center/Dome and the state is basically a non-starter.

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St. Louis is still significantly larger than Nashville.

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St. Louis is still larger GDP/pop than Nashville but it’s behind it in the national consciousness for sure. Charlotte passing StL and Austin approaching StL in population/GDP has been concerning

StL has lost its relevance among the general public, especially young people. Just gotta make progress at making this a better place to live and visit and hopefully we get back to that relevance

People that never leave St. Louis often don't realize how far behind the region is. It literally feels like it's a generation behind most successful metro areas and that's not appealing to the young and talented. This is not the 1970s anymore. Professionals can choose to live anywhere they want. St. Louis cannot afford to have so much blight, abandonment, segregation, and regressive politics in 2026.

I leave STL about 80 nights a year. We are a decade ahead of OKC.

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St. Louis is still larger GDP/pop than Nashville but it’s behind it in the national consciousness for sure. Charlotte passing StL and Austin approaching StL in population/GDP has been concerning

StL has lost its relevance among the general public, especially young people. Just gotta make progress at making this a better place to live and visit and hopefully we get back to that relevance

People that never leave St. Louis often don't realize how far behind the region is. It literally feels like it's a generation behind most successful metro areas and that's not appealing to the young and talented. This is not the 1970s anymore. Professionals can choose to live anywhere they want. St. Louis cannot afford to have so much blight, abandonment, segregation, and regressive politics in 2026.

I leave STL about 80 nights a year. We are a decade ahead of OKC.

We should not have to be comparing ourselves to OKC. We are the 4th largest Midwestern city.

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goat314 wrote:Really sad to see St. Louis continue to fall further behind cities it was literally double or triple the size of a generation ago. I remember visiting family in Nashville as a kid and thinking it was such a hick town. Now I imagine people from Nashville visit St. Louis and think we're the cowtown. Regional leadership in St. Louis is literally sleep at the wheel and it's ridiculous. 

St. Louis is still significantly larger than Nashville.

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St. Louis is still larger GDP/pop than Nashville but it’s behind it in the national consciousness for sure. Charlotte passing StL and Austin approaching StL in population/GDP has been concerning

StL has lost its relevance among the general public, especially young people. Just gotta make progress at making this a better place to live and visit and hopefully we get back to that relevance

I hate to say it, but I think it's very true that we need 'our thing' to hang our hat on culturally.

We have a lot of disjointed areas of certainly undersold success and investment.  Like, that's incredible.  And should be celebrated.  But what's our one thing to draw an incredible variety of folks here?

#1 Arch in the country

It's not my idea - I think Michael Allen formerly of WashU wrote a piece on it in the not too distant past - but I think we should push our architecture harder. The Arch is an easy sell. St. Louis produced a fair amount of the cast-iron facades that make SoHo in NYC so unique - show off the remaining cast iron facade on Laclede's Landing as an example (and get people down there). Plenty of architectural splendor/legacy downtown, but there's so much in the neighborhoods that tours/activities geared around this would be a prime way to get tourists/convention goers/etc. out of downtown, too. Sure some of this is going on already, but it feels like we could stake a greater claim. 

Though to be fair, I'm not sure the Venn diagram of NFL fans/people who care about the cities in the league overlaps much with architecture nerds 

Getting a little off topic here, but here’s an idea. Take a largely vacant area, maybe in North St. Louis, and get some starchitects to design infill, even just a one-off house, and build a mixed use neighborhood from the ground up. Kind of like On Olive, but more eclectic and on a larger scale.

Publicize the hell out of it in national media. That combined with our existing architectural prominence would be a great way to make the city more of an architectural destination.

^I think this idea needs to be fleshed out a bit further and you'll have to be very careful to keep it from becoming a rental hell or a gentrification nightmare, but if well done it's not a terrible idea. Kind of King Charles demonstration village, but done right. That said . . . it probably deserves its own thread rather than being buried in an NFL thread.

We are definitely going off a tangent from the NFL - but I would love an STL equivalent of Culdesac. Would have been great along the N/S Metrolink but I could easily see it working around a one of our many metrolink stations surrounded by empty/underused real estate.

A development like that covering the entirety of the All-Star Lot south of 40 is really what we need.

symphonicpoet wrote:^I think this idea needs to be fleshed out a bit further and you'll have to be very careful to keep it from becoming a rental hell or a gentrification nightmare, but if well done it's not a terrible idea. Kind of King Charles demonstration village, but done right. That said . . . it probably deserves its own thread rather than being buried in an NFL thread.

This can all be moved to the right thread, but I’m not seeing how gentrification would be a serious concern for a project like this. If the area was already largely vacant then there would be little to no existing residents in the first place.

If a developer was willing and able to make a project like this work, I say more power to them.

If you plan on being in the playoffs in January, you owe the fans a lid. What was Buffalo thinking? I was glad we had one in the glory years.


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gary kreie wrote:If you plan on being in the playoffs in January, you owe the fans a lid. What was Buffalo thinking? I was glad we had one in the glory years.


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Fans wanted outdoor I'm pretty sure.

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gary kreie wrote:If you plan on being in the playoffs in January, you owe the fans a lid. What was Buffalo thinking? I was glad we had one in the glory years.


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Fans wanted outdoor I'm pretty sure.

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Has any NFL team gone from dome to no dome? I can only think of one — Seattle — and it’s not a very cold snowy city. And they have roofs over most of the fans for rain.


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