How is Tampa gonna justify money for stadium upgrades and a new Rays stadium?
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The public has no stomach to fund this stuff, but Tampa is benefitting from being one of the fastest growing metros in the country. So the business and civic leadership is 100% invested in Tampa in a way that we could only dream of. Their smallish downtown is growing like crazy with high rise construction and whole districts with thousands of units planned. If only we could go by 500,000 residents per decade, we'd have an awesome downtown. What's even crazier is that Tampa residents have no desire for denser living, urban revitalization or any of that kind of stuff, they've voted down light rail several times and the regional planning commission is full of people with a mindset similar to St. Charles county executive. The development community is literally forcing the region to build these urbanist projects.StlAlex wrote: ↑1:40 AM - 20 days agoHow is Tampa gonna justify money for stadium upgrades and a new Rays stadium?
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Hillsborough County is basically all like the political ideology of South County outside of the city.goat314 wrote:The public has no stomach to fund this stuff, but Tampa is benefitting from being one of the fastest growing metros in the country. So the business and civic leadership is 100% invested in Tampa in a way that we could only dream of. Their smallish downtown is growing like crazy with high rise construction and whole districts with thousands of units planned. If only we could go by 500,000 residents per decade, we'd have an awesome downtown. What's even crazier is that Tampa residents have no desire for denser living, urban revitalization or any of that kind of stuff, they've voted down light rail several times and the regional planning commission is full of people with a mindset similar to St. Charles county executive. The development community is literally forcing the region to build these urbanist projects.StlAlex wrote: ↑1:40 AM - 20 days agoHow is Tampa gonna justify money for stadium upgrades and a new Rays stadium?
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Hillsborough County voted R+3 in 2024 and Pinellas County was R+5. City of Tampa was only D+12. St. Petersburg was D+20.
Between Jacksonville, Orlando, and Tampa, they really make Miami look like an urbanist mecca.
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Really?goat314 wrote: ↑3:25 AM - 20 days agoThe public has no stomach to fund this stuff, but Tampa is benefitting from being one of the fastest growing metros in the country. So the business and civic leadership is 100% invested in Tampa in a way that we could only dream of. Their smallish downtown is growing like crazy with high rise construction and whole districts with thousands of units planned. If only we could go by 500,000 residents per decade, we'd have an awesome downtown. What's even crazier is that Tampa residents have no desire for denser living, urban revitalization or any of that kind of stuff, they've voted down light rail several times and the regional planning commission is full of people with a mindset similar to St. Charles county executive. The development community is literally forcing the region to build these urbanist projects.StlAlex wrote: ↑1:40 AM - 20 days agoHow is Tampa gonna justify money for stadium upgrades and a new Rays stadium?
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I live in Tampa. Trust me. People are still moving here in droves. 2030 census will show that.dweebe wrote: ↑4:24 AM - 20 days agoReally?goat314 wrote: ↑3:25 AM - 20 days agoThe public has no stomach to fund this stuff, but Tampa is benefitting from being one of the fastest growing metros in the country. So the business and civic leadership is 100% invested in Tampa in a way that we could only dream of. Their smallish downtown is growing like crazy with high rise construction and whole districts with thousands of units planned. If only we could go by 500,000 residents per decade, we'd have an awesome downtown. What's even crazier is that Tampa residents have no desire for denser living, urban revitalization or any of that kind of stuff, they've voted down light rail several times and the regional planning commission is full of people with a mindset similar to St. Charles county executive. The development community is literally forcing the region to build these urbanist projects.StlAlex wrote: ↑1:40 AM - 20 days agoHow is Tampa gonna justify money for stadium upgrades and a new Rays stadium?
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Because no one wants to sit in direct sunlight for 3 hours, especially in places like St. Louis in the summer particularly when considering every summer is just gonna get hotter and hotter? Plus it's cold as hell in a lot of places too towards the beginning and end of the season, not to mention roofs would eliminate weather-related delays or cancelations.
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Cold places like Minneapolis and Detroit went full roofless. And Minnesota used to play indoors.Trololzilla wrote: ↑5:14 AM - 13 days agoBecause no one wants to sit in direct sunlight for 3 hours, especially in places like St. Louis in the summer particularly when considering every summer is just gonna get hotter and hotter? Plus it's cold as hell in a lot of places too towards the beginning and end of the season, not to mention roofs would eliminate weather-related delays or cancelations.
There are areas all over Busch Stadium and most stadiums that have access to air conditioning, shade, and overhead fans. And you can see the sky. Maybe you should do a better job of seat pickin'. : )
3 of the last 3 stadiums that have a roof were built in Miami and Dallas and now Las Vegas. Clearly there's a trend there and it has to do with the fact the sun is a deadly laser.gary kreie wrote:Cold places like Minneapolis and Detroit went full roofless. And Minnesota used to play indoors.Trololzilla wrote: ↑5:14 AM - 13 days agoBecause no one wants to sit in direct sunlight for 3 hours, especially in places like St. Louis in the summer particularly when considering every summer is just gonna get hotter and hotter? Plus it's cold as hell in a lot of places too towards the beginning and end of the season, not to mention roofs would eliminate weather-related delays or cancelations.
There are areas all over Busch Stadium and most stadiums that have access to air conditioning, shade, and overhead fans. And you can see the sky. Maybe you should do a better job of seat pickin'. : )
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And Nashville gets 2030 Super Bowl. Sigh. STL time to get our schitt together.
Not officially announced or voted on: but they're supposedly a close lock. The NFL doesn't want to upset the "give us a billion, we'll give you a Super Bowl host" gravy train that has ballooned league wealth.whitherSTL wrote: ↑10:26 PM - 2 days agoAnd Nashville gets 2030 Super Bowl. Sigh. STL time to get our schitt together.
St. Louis can't do what Nashville does. Between the city and the state they gave $1.3 billion in taxpayer money to billionaires with almost no public debate and no public vote. That's what you can do when you're the biggest city in the state AND the state capital.
Yea I don't feel bad at all about Nashville hosting a Super Bowl (which I feel can be assumed with a brand new SOTA stadium). What I don't like is that current Nissan Stadium hosts a yearly bowl game while the Dome hasn't hosted a college game since 2023.
I would like to see AT LEAST a yearly college football game, preferably a bowl game. But I'd also like to see pre-season football with the Chiefs, Colts, Bears, and Titans simialr to how NHL does pre-season games in non-NHL markets.
Ultimately my desire is economic impact from the Dome, and the Super Bowl is a 1-time event, maybe two times with no real lasting economic impact outside of the week of.
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I would like to see AT LEAST a yearly college football game, preferably a bowl game. But I'd also like to see pre-season football with the Chiefs, Colts, Bears, and Titans simialr to how NHL does pre-season games in non-NHL markets.
Ultimately my desire is economic impact from the Dome, and the Super Bowl is a 1-time event, maybe two times with no real lasting economic impact outside of the week of.
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Not sure how the economic impact compares between Super Bowl and the aforementioned but it would be great to get preseason games here from neighboring markets as well as at least a couple of college football games. Those would have a great economic impact.StlAlex wrote: ↑10:51 PM - 2 days agoYea I don't feel bad at all about Nashville hosting a Super Bowl (which I feel can be assumed with a brand new SOTA stadium). What I don't like is that current Nissan Stadium hosts a yearly bowl game while the Dome hasn't hosted a college game since 2023.
I would like to see AT LEAST a yearly college football game, preferably a bowl game. But I'd also like to see pre-season football with the Chiefs, Colts, Bears, and Titans simialr to how NHL does pre-season games in non-NHL markets.
Ultimately my desire is economic impact from the Dome, and the Super Bowl is a 1-time event, maybe two times with no real lasting economic impact outside of the week of.
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Oh Christ on toast I hope Kansas City's NFL horror show never plays in St. Louis again. Keep them far, far away.
That's not going to happen since the league is signaling a move to 18 regular season games and just two pre season games.STLAPTS wrote: ↑11:48 PM - 2 days agoNot sure how the economic impact compares between Super Bowl and the aforementioned but it would be great to get preseason games here from neighboring markets as well as at least a couple of college football games. Those would have a great economic impact.StlAlex wrote: ↑10:51 PM - 2 days agoYea I don't feel bad at all about Nashville hosting a Super Bowl (which I feel can be assumed with a brand new SOTA stadium). What I don't like is that current Nissan Stadium hosts a yearly bowl game while the Dome hasn't hosted a college game since 2023.
I would like to see AT LEAST a yearly college football game, preferably a bowl game. But I'd also like to see pre-season football with the Chiefs, Colts, Bears, and Titans simialr to how NHL does pre-season games in non-NHL markets.
Ultimately my desire is economic impact from the Dome, and the Super Bowl is a 1-time event, maybe two times with no real lasting economic impact outside of the week of.
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Let's not forget another reason St. Louis sucks/Nashville rocks is that they have an SEC university in town and a newly renovated stadium for them. Meanwhile Wash U football games draw crowds the same as a high school.
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I’ve long wondered why SLU doesn’t entertain college football.
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If I were SLU, I would start a D1 hockey program over football. They have the venue & STL is a great hockey city. Lindenwood & Maryville have D1 programs. No doubt SLU could pull it off. SLU could compete on a very high level. It would be cool to add hockey to their elite athletics portfolio, along with basketball & soccer.whitherSTL wrote: ↑1:02 PM - 1 day agoI’ve long wondered why SLU doesn’t entertain college football.
Back to NFL. I think NFL football is the most important sport that STL should going after. Step one, find a group of potential owners. Step two, ID a stadium site. Step 3, wait for the moment to pounce on a team that is considering relocation. The league could also expand to 36. 40 is way, way off, if it ever happens. All it would take to raise eyebrows would be an owner like Dave Steward. (Maybe his children since he is in his 70s). Unfortunately, as long as Kroenke, Goodell & Jones are around, this is a longshot. We need to start growing as a region. That is the knock. We need to be prepared with a plan should a team become available. I still think the north riverfront is the best location. Would have been a great thing. We'd likely be talking about World Cup games here in STL if that stadium was built. The Landing would be much more than it is today & we'd have a gem on the riverfront instead of a bunch of abandoned warehouses. I know many will pushback & say hell no to the NFL, but let's face it. NFL Football thanks to gambling, is the biggest sport in the US by far. The popularity is through the roof & you can see how much a City like KC benefits from the NFL. Sucks that we are not an NFL city. Sucks that the Chiefs have been shoved down our throats, considering people from KC generally hate us & cheer our failures.
Speaking of preparing to become an NFL city again, how do you think Senator Eric Schmitt plays into this? Considering that the state of Missouri will no longer be a part of the NFL?
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but why? Hockey at college level is a money losing programDogtownBnR wrote: ↑1:29 PM - 1 day agoIf I were SLU, I would start a D1 hockey program over football. They have the venue & STL is a great hockey city. Lindenwood & Maryville have D1 programs. No doubt SLU could pull it off. SLU could compete on a very high level. It would be cool to add hockey to their elite athletics portfolio, along with basketball & soccer.whitherSTL wrote: ↑1:02 PM - 1 day agoI’ve long wondered why SLU doesn’t entertain college football.
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I agree SLU should pursue hockey because they could become a higher level program rather quickly. I thought the armory would’ve made an awesome hockey barn for SLU
We do need a higher level football program in the region. Big market left untapped, especially considering the lack of NFL now. Which school should pursue that I don’t know. SLU probably the most natural candidate, football would just be a longer process
WashU could probably get several division 1 programs going tomorrow if they wanted to but I don’t think they are interested at this time.
Lindenwood has an FCS program now, so they would be the quickest route but not sure they’d ever have the money to get there
Would be cool if Harris Stowe got a small football program. I think their campus will be feeling a lot more part of the city with Brickline
UMSL made the mistake 60 years ago not getting serious athletic programs. There are some commuter schools like UMSL all around the country that poured money into athletics in the 70s that now are major universities with 30,000+ football stadiums
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We do need a higher level football program in the region. Big market left untapped, especially considering the lack of NFL now. Which school should pursue that I don’t know. SLU probably the most natural candidate, football would just be a longer process
WashU could probably get several division 1 programs going tomorrow if they wanted to but I don’t think they are interested at this time.
Lindenwood has an FCS program now, so they would be the quickest route but not sure they’d ever have the money to get there
Would be cool if Harris Stowe got a small football program. I think their campus will be feeling a lot more part of the city with Brickline
UMSL made the mistake 60 years ago not getting serious athletic programs. There are some commuter schools like UMSL all around the country that poured money into athletics in the 70s that now are major universities with 30,000+ football stadiums
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I guess you have to decide if the notoriety that a top notch program could bring is worth the cost. Some of the top programs do OK, but the positives a top program can bring to your university could offset the losses. I mean who ever paid attention to schools like Denver, Univ. of ND, Univ. of Maine &/or Miami OH. before they had top-notch hockey programs. That being said, I'm sure the fact that the programs run at a deficit keeps many from having a D1 program. I think it could still work in STL.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑1:53 PM - 1 day agobut why? Hockey at college level is a money losing programDogtownBnR wrote: ↑1:29 PM - 1 day agoIf I were SLU, I would start a D1 hockey program over football. They have the venue & STL is a great hockey city. Lindenwood & Maryville have D1 programs. No doubt SLU could pull it off. SLU could compete on a very high level. It would be cool to add hockey to their elite athletics portfolio, along with basketball & soccer.whitherSTL wrote: ↑1:02 PM - 1 day agoI’ve long wondered why SLU doesn’t entertain college football.
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I was also pitching that SLU should add football, which would obviously take a long time to build into something meaningful. But another angle that might be more realistic is looking at WashU and whether they could gradually scale their program (that already exists!) up over time. Not saying a huge program but something like the FCS model—something closer to the Ivy League approach (not the closed league itself). Imagining this in the schema of 'building WashU culture' and creating more reasons for post-graduates to come back or follow virtually. I'm thinking like Georgetown, Villanova, William & Mary, etc.whitherSTL wrote: ↑1:02 PM - 1 day agoI’ve long wondered why SLU doesn’t entertain college football.
Not sure WashU would ever realistically want to go that direction, but they already have the money, foundation, resources, money (lol) and city presence, and you can already imagine what the stadium would look like with their architectural style, lol
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Would also be cool to see Olympic Field as the site of an Olympics get more publicity/attention, raising the historical relevance of WashU and StL
WashU’s biggest issue as a university is lay person name recognition. It pretty much is top notch in everything else. Higher level athletics programs is a way to elevate its name, so that people know it’s elite academic prowess
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WashU’s biggest issue as a university is lay person name recognition. It pretty much is top notch in everything else. Higher level athletics programs is a way to elevate its name, so that people know it’s elite academic prowess
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I mean the stadium builds itself... would be so cool. This is definitely over done, but just to see how it translates. 
