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Go on Google Maps satellite view and look at every NFL stadium site including Indianapolis. They’re all wastelands that kill development in the surrounding. The only businesses around these stadiums survive despite adjacent stadium.


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slcorley wrote: ↑

12:18 AM - Jan 01

Go on Google Maps satellite view and look at every NFL stadium site including Indianapolis.  They’re all wastelands that kill development in the surrounding.  The only businesses around these stadiums survive despite adjacent stadium.  


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A ton of development occurred immediately adjacent to US Bank Stadium during and after it was built.  A lot of which can be attributed to the stadium.  

US Bank Stadium is transit oriented and not just directly connected to downtown, but pretty much within downtown, not dissimilar to the Dome.

Lucas Oil is basically completely seperated from downtown by large roads and railroad tracks, and had bad transit. AT&T is literally in a suburb known for having no transit.

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2:39 AM - Jan 01

US Bank Stadium is transit oriented and not just directly connected to downtown, but pretty much within downtown, not dissimilar to the Dome.

Lucas Oil is basically completely seperated from downtown by large roads and railroad tracks, and had bad transit. AT&T is literally in a suburb known for having no transit.

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The point being that (1) not all areas surrounding stadiums are a wasteland of parking and (2) stadiums can spur development.  Prior to US Bank being built, a majority of the areas surrounding the metrodome were surrounded by parking lots.  US Bank Stadium did alot to change that.  I lived in Downtown East (stadium location) for a decade.  It had infinitely more empty lots and parking than Downtown West STL.  

Also, the Hiawatha line  always stopped in that location servicing the metrodome for a long time.  TOD in that location is not what spurred development.  However, it did in other areas that the line services.  

The stadium acting as a major catalyst for development is pretty well documented.  

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StlAlex wrote: ↑

2:39 AM - Jan 01

US Bank Stadium is transit oriented and not just directly connected to downtown, but pretty much within downtown, not dissimilar to the Dome.

Lucas Oil is basically completely seperated from downtown by large roads and railroad tracks, and had bad transit. AT&T is literally in a suburb known for having no transit.

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The point being that (1) not all areas surrounding stadiums are a wasteland of parking and (2) stadiums can spur development.  Prior to US Bank being built, a majority of the areas surrounding the metrodome were surrounded by parking lots.  US Bank Stadium did alot to change that.  I lived in Downtown East (stadium location) for a decade.  It had infinitely more empty lots and parking than Downtown West STL.  

Also, the Hiawatha line  always stopped in that location servicing the metrodome for a long time.  TOD in that location is not what spurred development.  However, it did in other areas that the line services.  

The stadium acting as a major catalyst for development is pretty well documented.  

Transit oriented stadiums. Like US Bank.

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Here is a pretty good overview before and after stadium.  

Before the construction of U.S. Bank Stadium, an aerial view of Downtown East would primarily have shown the 
Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome, surrounded by a mix of parking lots and light industrial buildings. 

The Landscape Before the Stadium

The area, known as the Downtown East or "Industry Square" neighborhood, was considered somewhat isolated from the main downtown core. The landscape was characterized by: 

• The Metrodome: A large, air-supported, fiberglass-fabric domed stadium that was the home field for the Minnesota Vikings (NFL), Twins (MLB), and Golden Gophers football (NCAA) at various times.
• Parking Lots and Vacant Space: A significant portion of the surrounding area consisted of asphalt parking lots and vacant land built upon old rail yards, which were largely underutilized outside of game days.
• Limited Development: Unlike today's vibrant East Town, there were few bars, restaurants, or hotels immediately adjacent to the stadium. The area had not yet been connected to the Minneapolis skyway system, further isolating it from the rest of downtown.
• Surrounding Structures: The area included nearby buildings like the former Star Tribune headquarters and parts of Hennepin County Medical Center. 

The Metrodome was closed in December 2013, and its demolition was completed by April 2014 to make way for the new U.S. Bank Stadium and the surrounding Downtown East development, including The Commons park, myriad infill apartment buildings, and Wells Fargo office towers. 

For visual references, historical aerial photographs can be found through sources like the Minnesota Historical Society and the University of Minnesota Libraries' online collection. 

One option that should seriously be considered whenever the time comes for St. Louis to pursue another NFL team: a new Sportsman’s Park at the site of the original.

The NFL is currently going through its era of cookie cutter stadiums like baseball went through, and eventually there will be a retro stadium comeback, which could be the perfect opportunity to build an open air football stadium at this site, and incorporate elements from the original Sportsman’s Park.

While football stadiums don’t seem to generate much development in downtowns, it would certainly be able to catalyze the rebuilding of this neighborhood with medium density housing.

Ultimately, it might be the best possible way to get the region to fully embrace North St Louis and completely turn this area and the city around.




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6:03 PM - Jan 01

One option that should seriously be considered whenever the time comes for St. Louis to pursue another NFL team: a new Sportsman’s Park at the site of the original.

The NFL is currently going through its era of cookie cutter stadiums like baseball went through, and eventually there will be a retro stadium comeback, which could be the perfect opportunity to build an open air football stadium at this site, and incorporate elements from the original Sportsman’s Park.

While football stadiums don’t seem to generate much development in downtowns, it would certainly be able to catalyze the rebuilding of this neighborhood with medium density housing.

Ultimately, it might be the best possible way to get the region to fully embrace North St Louis and completely turn this area and the city around.

Much like my support for a new ballpark at 18th and Paseo in KCMO (echoes back to the history of sports in KC with the Municipal Stadium site at 22nd and Brooklyn), I think you have a pretty decent idea, especially over the longer term. The neighborhood Sportsman’s Park was in can’t really get much worse. In my opinion, it can only go up. My concern is that if you managed to get an NFL team back to St. Louis and plopped the stadium down on North Grand, how much of the surrounding area would become a sea of parking for tailgating and game day attendees? We saw how they wanted to obliterate the north riverfront for parking purposes. I know it’s just an idea, so I’ll give you credit for thinking outside the box

If we were ever to get a new team it’s gonna be decades from now. The dome at America’s center will likely be gone or abandoned and we should build a new one where the current dome is. Retractable roof and Multipurpose for conventions.

Parking lots for tailgating is important. I wonder if a purpose built garage for tailgating could be created? Higher ceilings, ample lighting, larger stairwells to promote movement between levels, ample
Bathrooms, vendors and bars, and hookups. High vis and oversized lots could could be sold.

Imagine a garage that could double as event space for conventions to keep it activated and cash flowing all year long.

moorlander wrote:If we were ever to get a new team it’s gonna be decades from now. The dome at America’s center will likely be gone or abandoned and we should build a new one where the current dome is. Retractable roof and Multipurpose for conventions.

Parking lots for tailgating is important. I wonder if a purpose built garage for tailgating could be created? Higher ceilings, ample lighting, larger stairwells to promote movement between levels, ample
Bathrooms, vendors and bars, and hookups. High vis and oversized lots could could be sold.

Imagine a garage that could double as event space for conventions to keep it activated and cash flowing all year long.

I like your idea a lot as well and agree with Chris’ point. A riverfront stadium like the one that was proposed would kill any future potential for a vibrant riverfront. I would much rather it stay at its current location and figure out creative ways to create a better atmosphere around the stadium. If we can keep maintaining the Dome, I would love to see it stick around and eventually give it a billion dollar renovation with a retractable roof rather than replacing it. We could flip the script from the dome being an embarrassment to a symbol of the great St. Louis resurgence.

The main reason for my Sportsman’s Park idea is to avoid the stadium being built out in Chesterfield, St Charles, etc which is probably where it would most likely go at this point, and to consider other areas of the city that could use the investment. However, I realize the odds of an NFL stadium ever being built in North City are basically zero.




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Most new domes are not going with retractable roofs anymore. I think only Atlanta in the last 15 years. I think it might be cheaper to do a sphere LEDs installation wall to wall on the inside of the dome ceiling.


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Just as dumb as his dad.

Very handsome, and looks right at home in DC.

NFL = STL?  Let's get the conversation rolling....

https://www.firstalert4.com/2026/01/21/ ... -back-stl/

It's pie in the sky and the only mitigating factor is that STL is like the 2nd largest city without an NFL team.

1. Schmitt suggested using Rams settlement money to build a stadium and said he'd prefer state taxes not be used. This is a non-starter.

2. NFL has shown no indication for expansion, meaning relocation would be the most likely path. The only team I can imagine relocating in the future is the LA Chargers. Then you'd need a billionaire to buy the them and move them.

3. Steve Elhman says any stadium should be built in West St. Louis County near 141 and I-64, but also said he doesn't want St. Charles to pay for any of it. This is another non-starter and is partially why this region is so screwed. Take Lucas Oil stadium, which is funded by a 1% food and beverage tax on all the "ring" counties surrounding Indianapolis. The idea STL will attract an NFL team without the entire region chipping in for a new stadium is completely delusional and not happening. The only way that would happen is if a billionaire took the initiative and paid for the staidum.

If STL ever has a serious chance for an NFL team again, the 2015 Rams stadium plan should be resurrected considering it was so far along and looked great.

But this is largely just a click bait article with no substance.

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I would not resurrect the 2015 plan, I would rather see a plan like the Commanders did to build on the old RFK site. Even if it means we go to HKS or Manica as opposed to HOK. I like what Minnesota did with their stadium. Honestly the dome would have been very close if they did the Kroenke plan that would have extended the lease 10 years.


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dweebe wrote:The chance of the NFL coming back here is about 0.0000001%

• With the exception of the Chicago Bears, every team is getting what they want stadium-wise.
• Any expansion to 36 teams is 10-20 years away and would be four teams in Europe.
• There are $790 million reasons the NFL hates St. Louis

You are not in reality if you think the NFL is putting 1 team in Europe, much less 4.

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StlAlex wrote: ↑

9:54 PM - Jan 22

dweebe wrote:The chance of the NFL coming back here is about 0.0000001%

• With the exception of the Chicago Bears, every team is getting what they want stadium-wise.
• Any expansion to 36 teams is 10-20 years away and would be four teams in Europe.
• There are $790 million reasons the NFL hates St. Louis

You are not in reality if you think the NFL is putting 1 team in Europe, much less 4.

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The only way they would do Europe is if it was 4.  1 doesnt make any sense

meanwhile: Stan Kroenke Becomes America’s Largest Landowner

https://landreport.com/stan-kroenke-americas-largest-landowner

Amazing what you can do when you can tax without a vote of the people.