Clearly it's because of the population loss in those minicipalities
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Hi Pointe overshadowed by other bland generic fast food restaurants in bland generic suburbs is very much on point for suburban STL.
What would the narrative be if the downtown Hi Pointe closed?
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Must be the high crime in those places. Or Covid restrictions, surely. Are those places in a doom loop?Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑10:41 PM - Jan 06Clearly it's because of the population loss in those minicipalities
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The City’s population has been declining since long before Work and Leisure opened. Did they do no market research before opening?
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Work & Leisure had a nice little space and I’ve liked that the midtown/locust area did gain some momentum for a while, think it would make a great business district connect downtown with grand center. They had a few years run so it’s not like it didn’t work at all but while the city pop declining is not really why, we do have a serious lack of office/business culture in the core of the city. Offices are just not supporting other business as there’s not enough people going to work in the middle of StL. Few corporate events, few “happy hour” bars, very few coffee shops, very little lunch traffic - all signs which indicate a place like work & leisure that needs business events has to work so much harder than its counterpart in a thriving business district
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I'm surprised Brennan's framed it that way when are opening a new concept at Euclid and Maryland
I wondered about this as well.keepstlbrick wrote: ↑6:26 AM - Jan 08Work & Leisure had a nice little space and I’ve liked that the midtown/locust area did gain some momentum for a while, think it would make a great business district connect downtown with grand center. They had a few years run so it’s not like it didn’t work at all but while the city pop declining is not really why, we do have a serious lack of office/business culture in the core of the city. Offices are just not supporting other business as there’s not enough people going to work in the middle of StL. Few corporate events, few “happy hour” bars, very few coffee shops, very little lunch traffic - all signs which indicate a place like work & leisure that needs business events has to work so much harder than its counterpart in a thriving business district
In my 20s, we went to a happy hour damn near every week somewhere downtown. I asked one of my "old" coworkers the other day, "Where do you think our 20 something counterparts are going these days?" They simply think that answer is nowhere. Covid legit changed the entire philosophy of work. WHERE you work, WHO you work with, etc. In my 20s, just about every single person I interacted with at work was at my location. Now everyone's spread out. Not everyone's in the office the same days, and everyone is so geographically distributed that camaraderie just isn't there like it used to be.
Not to mention that statistically, the younger generation just isn't really drinking. Not remotely like Millennials or Gen X's. It's a large part of why microbreweries are struggling so much. The craft beer trend is over. And a lot of Gen Z's prefer NA options instead.Otthouse wrote: ↑7:21 PM - Jan 08I wondered about this as well.keepstlbrick wrote: ↑6:26 AM - Jan 08Work & Leisure had a nice little space and I’ve liked that the midtown/locust area did gain some momentum for a while, think it would make a great business district connect downtown with grand center. They had a few years run so it’s not like it didn’t work at all but while the city pop declining is not really why, we do have a serious lack of office/business culture in the core of the city. Offices are just not supporting other business as there’s not enough people going to work in the middle of StL. Few corporate events, few “happy hour” bars, very few coffee shops, very little lunch traffic - all signs which indicate a place like work & leisure that needs business events has to work so much harder than its counterpart in a thriving business district
In my 20s, we went to a happy hour damn near every week somewhere downtown. I asked one of my "old" coworkers the other day, "Where do you think our 20 something counterparts are going these days?" They simply think that answer is nowhere. Covid legit changed the entire philosophy of work. WHERE you work, WHO you work with, etc. In my 20s, just about every single person I interacted with at work was at my location. Now everyone's spread out. Not everyone's in the office the same days, and everyone is so geographically distributed that camaraderie just isn't there like it used to be.
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Yup, drinking way less. It’s also why restaurants are having a hard time since margins are really made on alcohol in most eating establishmentsSRQ2STL wrote: ↑7:31 PM - Jan 08Not to mention that statistically, the younger generation just isn't really drinking. Not remotely like Millennials or Gen X's. It's a large part of why microbreweries are struggling so much. The craft beer trend is over. And a lot of Gen Z's prefer NA options instead.Otthouse wrote: ↑7:21 PM - Jan 08I wondered about this as well.keepstlbrick wrote: ↑6:26 AM - Jan 08Work & Leisure had a nice little space and I’ve liked that the midtown/locust area did gain some momentum for a while, think it would make a great business district connect downtown with grand center. They had a few years run so it’s not like it didn’t work at all but while the city pop declining is not really why, we do have a serious lack of office/business culture in the core of the city. Offices are just not supporting other business as there’s not enough people going to work in the middle of StL. Few corporate events, few “happy hour” bars, very few coffee shops, very little lunch traffic - all signs which indicate a place like work & leisure that needs business events has to work so much harder than its counterpart in a thriving business district
In my 20s, we went to a happy hour damn near every week somewhere downtown. I asked one of my "old" coworkers the other day, "Where do you think our 20 something counterparts are going these days?" They simply think that answer is nowhere. Covid legit changed the entire philosophy of work. WHERE you work, WHO you work with, etc. In my 20s, just about every single person I interacted with at work was at my location. Now everyone's spread out. Not everyone's in the office the same days, and everyone is so geographically distributed that camaraderie just isn't there like it used to be.
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Some guy named Jordan Renaud bought it off Kevin Brennan in 2022. Subsequently, he turned the concept into a public-private venue. Now, he's blaming City population loss for his business loss. Sucks. It used to be a fun place to hang out.PeterXCV wrote: ↑9:11 PM - Jan 06Didn't Brennan's run that place? I went there once for a party and from what I heard it was pricey to book. I mean Brennan's seems pretty bullish on the city what with opening 2 new restaurants this year.
ICYMI, last week the local culinary community lost one of its shining stars: https://www.stlmag.com/dining/remembering-tyler-tai-davis/
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They're franchised, right? Half of the ones I've been to are soft soggy chicken tenders.
And we already have like 50 chicken tender drive through's. Nothing to get excited over especially if they come to the city.
And we already have like 50 chicken tender drive through's. Nothing to get excited over especially if they come to the city.
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And we already have like 50 chicken tender drive through's
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I get what you're saying and I completely understand.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑4:05 PM - Feb 01They're franchised, right? Half of the ones I've been to are soft soggy chicken tenders.
And we already have like 50 chicken tender drive through's. Nothing to get excited over especially if they come to the city.
That being said Zaxby's do have salads on their menu and they're still pretty good for a fast food one. Get it with grilled chicken and you've got a somewhat healthy meal. The rest of their menu is completely unremarkable though.
Might be old news but I hadn’t seen this.
INITIAL HEARING FOR RESTAURANT-BAR UNDER SMALL BUSINESS CRITERIA
NIBBLES & SIP HOSPITALITY LLC, doing business as FATTENED CAF (THE), located at 2700 LOCUST BLVD. Hearing scheduled to determine the initial approval for a Restaurant Bar FULL DRINK & SUNDAY liquor license, SUMMER GARDEN AND SIDEWALK CAFE under the small business process.
INITIAL HEARING FOR RESTAURANT-BAR UNDER SMALL BUSINESS CRITERIA
NIBBLES & SIP HOSPITALITY LLC, doing business as FATTENED CAF (THE), located at 2700 LOCUST BLVD. Hearing scheduled to determine the initial approval for a Restaurant Bar FULL DRINK & SUNDAY liquor license, SUMMER GARDEN AND SIDEWALK CAFE under the small business process.
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Any relation to the Fatted Calf?jshank83 wrote: ↑10:49 PM - Mar 30Might be old news but I hadn’t seen this.
INITIAL HEARING FOR RESTAURANT-BAR UNDER SMALL BUSINESS CRITERIA
NIBBLES & SIP HOSPITALITY LLC, doing business as FATTENED CAF (THE), located at 2700 LOCUST BLVD. Hearing scheduled to determine the initial approval for a Restaurant Bar FULL DRINK & SUNDAY liquor license, SUMMER GARDEN AND SIDEWALK CAFE under the small business process.
Caf is how the current one is spelled. So I assume it will be a 2nd location. But thought some on here might know moreBart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑12:55 PM - Mar 31Any relation to the Fatted Calf?jshank83 wrote: ↑10:49 PM - Mar 30Might be old news but I hadn’t seen this.
INITIAL HEARING FOR RESTAURANT-BAR UNDER SMALL BUSINESS CRITERIA
NIBBLES & SIP HOSPITALITY LLC, doing business as FATTENED CAF (THE), located at 2700 LOCUST BLVD. Hearing scheduled to determine the initial approval for a Restaurant Bar FULL DRINK & SUNDAY liquor license, SUMMER GARDEN AND SIDEWALK CAFE under the small business process.
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Wait, has there been a reopened Fatted Calf in the last 15 years?jshank83 wrote: ↑1:34 PM - Mar 31Caf is how the current one is spelled. So I assume it will be a 2nd location. But thought some on here might know moreBart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑12:55 PM - Mar 31Any relation to the Fatted Calf?jshank83 wrote: ↑10:49 PM - Mar 30Might be old news but I hadn’t seen this.
INITIAL HEARING FOR RESTAURANT-BAR UNDER SMALL BUSINESS CRITERIA
NIBBLES & SIP HOSPITALITY LLC, doing business as FATTENED CAF (THE), located at 2700 LOCUST BLVD. Hearing scheduled to determine the initial approval for a Restaurant Bar FULL DRINK & SUNDAY liquor license, SUMMER GARDEN AND SIDEWALK CAFE under the small business process.
Different entities, different owners...Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑1:35 PM - Mar 31Wait, has there been a reopened Fatted Calf in the last 15 years?
The Fatted Calf was a popular local burger chain founded by Vince and Tony Bommarito in 1966. The last location, at 12 S. Bemiston in Clayton, closed in March 2017.
The Fattened Caf, which specializes in Filipino BBQ and is also locally owned, currently operates out of a brick-and-mortar storefront at 3405 S. Jefferson, near Cherokee Street.
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Highly recommend Fattened Caf off of Cherokee&Jefferson. Unique cuisine that fits right into eclectic Cherokee
Used to be a kitchen in the former Earthbound Brewery space (anybody got any news or updates on someone taking up that space btw? awesome building and unique with the caves under).
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Is this the best year STL restaurants have ever had in the James Beard awards? 5 NATIONAL finalists? I've come to think of the James Beard awards as like the US House of Reps/Electoral College. The number of regional awards nominees is closely related to a MSA's relative population.
but, 5 finalists for the nationals? that's big.
https://www.stltoday.com/life-entertain ... 296b2.html
but, 5 finalists for the nationals? that's big.
https://www.stltoday.com/life-entertain ... 296b2.html
Even more impressive when you consider the number and scope of the competition. Here's the rundown, pulled from St. Louis Magazine's article:soulardx wrote: ↑3:20 PM - 21 days agoIs this the best year STL restaurants have ever had in the James Beard awards? 5 NATIONAL finalists? I've come to think of the James Beard awards as like the US House of Reps/Electoral College. The number of regional awards nominees is closely related to a MSA's relative population.
but, 5 finalists for the nationals? that's big.
https://www.stltoday.com/life-entertain ... 296b2.html
- Best Chef: Midwest (20 regional semifinalists culled to five finalists)
- Loryn Nalic, Balkan Treat Box
- Nick Bognar, Sado, Pavilion
- Best New Restaurant (30 national semifinalists culled to 10 finalists)
- Robin
- Outstanding Hospitality (20 national semifinalists culled to five finalists)
- Louie
- Outstanding Restaurant (20 national semifinalists culled to five finalists)
- Vicia
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TYtouché wrote: ↑12:26 PM - 21 days agoDifferent entities, different owners...
The Fatted Calf was a popular local burger chain founded by Vince and Tony Bommarito in 1966. The last location, at 12 S. Bemiston in Clayton, closed in March 2017.
The Fattened Caf, which specializes in Filipino BBQ and is also locally owned, currently operates out of a brick-and-mortar storefront at 3405 S. Jefferson, near Cherokee Street.
Another filipino restaurant, Kain Tayo, is in that space already. Are they related? Is Fattened Caf taking over?jshank83 wrote: ↑10:49 PM - Mar 30Might be old news but I hadn’t seen this.
INITIAL HEARING FOR RESTAURANT-BAR UNDER SMALL BUSINESS CRITERIA
NIBBLES & SIP HOSPITALITY LLC, doing business as FATTENED CAF (THE), located at 2700 LOCUST BLVD. Hearing scheduled to determine the initial approval for a Restaurant Bar FULL DRINK & SUNDAY liquor license, SUMMER GARDEN AND SIDEWALK CAFE under the small business process.