God that's sexy.
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So long as the trees mature nicely, this is going to look great. I love that they are incorporating the actual red “brickline” for homage to the city, and hoping there will be more architectural elements and sculptures and such using red bricks along the trail. Also, hoping to see as it gets more connected - vendor set ups and cafes and beer taps. It would bring so much life to the core of the city. I think this has the potential to be something truly great from FP to the Arch if they can accomplish those things and encourage more tourists to make travel that corridor by foot and by bike to see our attractions (Arch, BPV, Union Station, midtown alley, grand center, CWE, FP). With this project, I also think the city should turn over the Gateway Mall to the Arch foundation and great rivers greenway at this point and say “go to town”. They would amenitize the heck out of it and get us further along the path to potentially fully reinstating the connection through the central corridor and healing the urban renewal destruction
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^For real, the rest of the brickline can't get here soon enough!
Each segment is taking about a year to wrap up. Think we'll see the original plan fulfilled by 2030.
TG Connector, 20th Street, Fairgrounds - Grand to Spring are under construction. Those will be delivered sometime next year.
Next up: Cortex to Grand Metrolink, Spring to Lindell. (Starting early 2026).
TG Connector, 20th Street, Fairgrounds - Grand to Spring are under construction. Those will be delivered sometime next year.
Next up: Cortex to Grand Metrolink, Spring to Lindell. (Starting early 2026).
With Spring to Lindell, is the expectation that riders will go through SLU's campus? I think that's a great look for SLU and the city, just wondering how the right-of-way will work.
Yes, a concern I have had since the beginning. Crowded areas with walking students. It will be the most crowded section of the Brickline outside of Energizer Park before/after a game.jtlq53 wrote:With Spring to Lindell, is the expectation that riders will go through SLU's campus? I think that's a great look for SLU and the city, just wondering how the right-of-way will work.
TG Connector includes a redo of Vandaventer, right?dylank wrote: ↑Oct 20, 2025Each segment is taking about a year to wrap up. Think we'll see the original plan fulfilled by 2030.
TG Connector, 20th Street, Fairgrounds - Grand to Spring are under construction. Those will be delivered sometime next year.
Next up: Cortex to Grand Metrolink, Spring to Lindell. (Starting early 2026).
Yeah I don't think they've thought that part through. As of now, it'd be the part of the greenway where you get off your bike and walk it.addxb2 wrote: ↑Oct 20, 2025Yes, a concern I have had since the beginning. Crowded areas with walking students. It will be the most crowded section of the Brickline outside of Energizer Park before/after a game.jtlq53 wrote:With Spring to Lindell, is the expectation that riders will go through SLU's campus? I think that's a great look for SLU and the city, just wondering how the right-of-way will work.
I mean, the Centennial Greenway already goes through WashU's campus. It's pretty easy for someone on a bike to slow down, or if necessary, dismount briefly. Only really a problem during class transition times, anyways. It's not like this will be some biking superhighway. As is the case on the Centennial/WashU, I imagine the ground markings/paving wouldn't change much from what's already there, probably just some added signage. Speed demons can always take the parallel route that will be built on Compton.PeterXCV wrote: ↑Oct 20, 2025Yeah I don't think they've thought that part through. As of now, it'd be the part of the greenway where you get off your bike and walk it.addxb2 wrote: ↑Oct 20, 2025Yes, a concern I have had since the beginning. Crowded areas with walking students. It will be the most crowded section of the Brickline outside of Energizer Park before/after a game.jtlq53 wrote:With Spring to Lindell, is the expectation that riders will go through SLU's campus? I think that's a great look for SLU and the city, just wondering how the right-of-way will work.
I wouldn't be too worried. The Cultural Trail and an off-shoot paved bike path goes through IUPUI's campus in Indianapolis and I don't remember it being a major problem at all.addxb2 wrote: ↑Oct 20, 2025Yes, a concern I have had since the beginning. Crowded areas with walking students. It will be the most crowded section of the Brickline outside of Energizer Park before/after a game.jtlq53 wrote:With Spring to Lindell, is the expectation that riders will go through SLU's campus? I think that's a great look for SLU and the city, just wondering how the right-of-way will work.
If anything, I think SLU students will use it more than IUPUI students do.
The biggest difference is that the primary pedestrian path for SLU students runs perpendicular to the Spring St greenway. Even if they split the greenway from the N/S walkway (similar to the Centennial at Wash U) thousands of students will need to cross Brickline. Many will be looking at their phone while they do it.
It does help that the fountain and tower act as a traffic circle. If that is maintained it’ll force cyclists to turn and face pedestrians.
I live on the Lakefront trail in Chicago. It can be managed but nasty pedestrian accidents happen everyday.
It does help that the fountain and tower act as a traffic circle. If that is maintained it’ll force cyclists to turn and face pedestrians.
I live on the Lakefront trail in Chicago. It can be managed but nasty pedestrian accidents happen everyday.
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SLU needs outreach from GRG and other bike orgs in a bad way. The culture of biking just isn't there for the most part. Campus is small enough that most destinations can be easily reached on foot and until recently the surrounding area was not a great or safe place to bike.
Lindell has recently been substantially improved to the north which will certainly help. The Brickline is coming + phase two of the Tower Grove Connector will drop another protected route right on SLU's doorstep.
I feel optimistic because sometimes the SLU on the Move club comes around local bike community events and has gone from like five people to at least thirty in the past year. One of their services is that they loan bikes out to students for rides, so the majority of them still don't own their own bikes. If somebody wanted to open a used bike shop in the next couple years, the area around SLU is ripe for the taking.
SLU could certainly do their part to help. Two things off the top of my head I would like to see done are:
Lindell has recently been substantially improved to the north which will certainly help. The Brickline is coming + phase two of the Tower Grove Connector will drop another protected route right on SLU's doorstep.
I feel optimistic because sometimes the SLU on the Move club comes around local bike community events and has gone from like five people to at least thirty in the past year. One of their services is that they loan bikes out to students for rides, so the majority of them still don't own their own bikes. If somebody wanted to open a used bike shop in the next couple years, the area around SLU is ripe for the taking.
SLU could certainly do their part to help. Two things off the top of my head I would like to see done are:
- Build an off street bike path next to Compton in front of Chaifetz that connected the Brickline at Market to the pedestrianized section of Laclede to the North
- Add a curb cut to the pedestrian entrance of West Pine at Vandeventer
Brickline is rerouting between Spring and FPP
While this isn't ideal, I understand the reasoning here. The routing is somewhat inefficient but at least will still connect through in a shorter time period. Plus they will be able to complete the original route at a later date and still have the awesome bike infrastructure on Vandy and FPP. The eventual rebulding of the FPP and Grand intersection could also provide for a northern Brickline connection which could ideally give us two little loops that will stich the area together nicely.Greenway projects often evolve as they progress, as field or community conditions change. This 0.92-mile segment of the Brickline Greenway between Cortex and Forest Park & Spring is being re-envisioned to ensure it works for everyone.Here’s what this means:
- The original plan was to follow the MetroLink corridor, thanks to the generosity of our partners at Bi-State Development, from Sarah Street heading east behind IKEA, over Vandeventer on the existing MetroLink bridge, and behind the businesses on Market St. and the Ameren substation to the Grand MetroLink station.
- Due to several factors that continue to present challenges (including property ownership complications and a major fire on a property on Market St. east of Vandeventer), Great Rivers Greenway will pursue other route options. The goal is to make the east-west connection for community member use without having significant (years-long) delays.
- We have notified East-West Gateway that we will not use the $4 million Congestion, Mitigation and Air Quality (CMAQ) grant for this project. There is no penalty; we can apply again in the future for this or any project. We may end up coming back to this route in the future!
- We will study alternatives to ensure a good connection, such as using part of the MetroLink corridor to Vandeventer, then to Forest Park Avenue (see map below).
- As Missouri Department of Transportation reconstructs the eastbound bridge of I-64/40 between Sarah Street and Vandeventer, (which would have closed the newly-built greenway for 1-2 years anyway), we can revisit this as a possible route in the future.
- The separate project on Spring St, featuring a bicycle and pedestrian bridge perpendicular to and in between the lower, eastbound lanes and upper, westbound deck of I-64/40 remains intact and on schedule; the critical connection to the Grand MetroLink station will be made.
A slowdown of the already glacial pace of all these projects seems worse than whatever possible disadvantages there might be of the original route. Like metrolink still runs past the crumbling old JJ's club building w/o issue, i don't think it'd be a problem for the bike path.
The brickline greenway: completed in time for unborn children's 30th birthday.
The brickline greenway: completed in time for unborn children's 30th birthday.
All this begs the question…..
WHY NOT USE FOREST PARK PARKWAY AND MARKT FROM ARCH TO PARK?!?
No real cyclist is going to put up with all of these diversions. 90 degree turn, get off your bike and walk, 90 degree turn, 90 degree turn…
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WHY NOT USE FOREST PARK PARKWAY AND MARKT FROM ARCH TO PARK?!?
No real cyclist is going to put up with all of these diversions. 90 degree turn, get off your bike and walk, 90 degree turn, 90 degree turn…
^ Agreed. FPP is definitely wide enough. would also solve the FPP @ Grand intersection & could flow right into the center of the park @ Kingshighway.
The whole Market/FPP interchange with I64 just needs to go away. The traffic count is probably minimal, can be handled by other interchanges, and would be a big boost for the mulitmodal approach to city corridors/central corridor as dylank noted.
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It should have always just been Vandeventer to Lindell/Olive but we have to bend over backwards so that WASHU/Cortex can put bike/transit infrastructure on its brochures