Brickline Greenway- Formerly Chouteau Greenway

JaneJacobsGhost · PostJun 03, 2023#8262023-06-03T15:20+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Apr 15, 2023

Is there a practical reason that such a large portion of the brickline investment is going to an area of town that, frankly, doesn’t have many potential riders (considering resident population and daily workers in the area)?

I’m not advocating leaving N. StL out at all. I think a Newstead-Pope to Ofallon park with a connector down to Fairground via Natural bridge would be a much better orientation. It would connect with both of the great North Side parks and touch the more densely populated neighborhoods of Penrose and O’Fallon Park.

Additionally, not taking the Tower Grove route all the way down south to Grant Trail feels like a terrible missed opportunity.

Anyway, were these routes chosen or are they just where GRG could get the ROW?

dredger · PostJun 03, 2023#8272023-06-03T18:37+00:00

sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Jun 02, 2023
^ No, the line will most likely run down the center of Jefferson. It would just shift over and cross the rail yards and then shift back.

It's actually a pretty good idea and likely saves a bit of money compared to demolishing and rebuilding Jefferson. Probably explains Roach's phrasing when he said the transfer would be in the vicinity of Ewing Yard.

Yes, I think in the short term their is some pluses especially on cost side to simply shift N-S over and onto its own bridge and then back over & down Jeff Ave. But I believe it also the unwillingness in this country to apply life cycle costs and even more so in St. Louis as you simply end up with two bridges over lifetime to maintain whereas you can take the approach that Jefferson Ave bridge needs to be multimodal function that if rebuilt will give the city infrastructure supporting as such for decades to come.

The best local example of many is Wash U pushing for cross county metrolink changes that came out for the better where as metrolink through Clayton CBD could have been better but obviously more expensive.

quincunx · PostJun 20, 2023#8282023-06-20T17:10+00:00

Stl Today - State board OKs money for Brickline urban trail in St. Louis

A plan to connect St. Louis’ new professional soccer stadium and Harris-Stowe State University with a pedestrian path received a $2 million infusion of state cash Tuesday.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... be33e.html

PostJun 21, 2023#8292023-06-21T13:12+00:00

Brickline made the list!

NYTimes - In 7 Great Cities, 7 Great Walks

A few hundred yards from the entrance to CityPark, the splashy new soccer stadium in downtown St. Louis, another urban landmark looms: a cluster of hour-glass-shaped sculptures called “Pillars of the Valley,” by the local artist Damon Davis, that pays tribute to some 20,000 residents of a Black community that was forced from this location in 1959 to make way for a freeway. Standing amid its pillars on a recent afternoon, I leaned in close to read a former resident’s inscription in the stone: “What we lost in the destruction of our Mill Creek Valley neighborhood was a community we relied on to survive.”

https://www.nytimes.com/explain/2023/06 ... ican-trail

sc4mayor · PostAug 03, 2023#8302023-08-03T17:31+00:00

Some descriptions of the unfunded portions of the Brickline that will be soliciting funding over the next several years.

quincunx · PostMar 13, 2024#8312024-03-13T13:20+00:00

Good news. Spring Ave bridge funded!

Brickline Greenway Awarded $9.9 Million in Construction Funds from U.S. Department of Transportation’s Reconnecting Communities and Neighborhoods Program

https://greatriversgreenway.org/blog/2024/03/13/rnc/

PostMar 13, 2024#8322024-03-13T14:05+00:00

Partners include the City of St. Louis, private developments, and Missouri Department of Transportation (MoDOT). The two public agencies are aligning schedules with the reconstruction of the eastbound I-64 bridge over Vandeventer Avenue in 2027-2028 to minimize disruption for community members.

I guess that means four more years of walking in the street to get to the Armory from the Grand Metrolink station.

_nomad_ · PostMar 13, 2024#8332024-03-13T21:41+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Mar 13, 2024
Partners include the City of St. Louis, private developments, and Missouri Department of Transportation (MoDOT). The two public agencies are aligning schedules with the reconstruction of the eastbound I-64 bridge over Vandeventer Avenue in 2027-2028 to minimize disruption for community members.
I guess that means four more years of walking in the street to get to the Armory from the Grand Metrolink station.

But think of all the community members who will be minimally disrupted

Tim · PostMar 13, 2024#8342024-03-13T23:34+00:00

I mean, it would probably take at least a couple of years regardless, right? This kind of timeline doesn't sound that atypical to me, assuming engineering, easement acquisition, utility coordination, agency coordination, additional potential funding, etc. all still need to happen.

dredger · PostMar 15, 2024#8352024-03-15T21:37+00:00

Part of the bigger Fed grant package as per link to ENR article and the link to DOT grants.

US DOT Awards $3.3B in Grants to Reconnect Cut-Off Neighborhoods | Engineering News-Record (enr.com)

factsheet (transportation.gov)

Good to see but if St. Louis city leadership itself just had a grander vision for infrastructure as they would probably see much bigger and impactful grants, projects. Not talking about taking I64/Hwy 40 underground or removing I44 in city limits outright but just to see something that reorganizes/reduces number of convoluted interchanges, or removes the Market ST/Forest Pkwy interchange mess and or even on the lowest hanging fruit in the country of simply removing raised section of freeway (lot cheaper to demo a bridge then dig a tunnel) between North Downtown/Laclede Landing with an at grade blvd between Washington Ave and Cass Ave (lot easier to maintain a blvd in long run than a tunnel and or a raised freeway).

_nomad_ · PostMar 16, 2024#8362024-03-16T00:50+00:00

dredger wrote: ↑
Mar 15, 2024
Part of the bigger Fed grant package as per link to ENR article and the link to DOT grants.

US DOT Awards $3.3B in Grants to Reconnect Cut-Off Neighborhoods | Engineering News-Record (enr.com)

factsheet (transportation.gov)

Good to see but if St. Louis city leadership itself just had a grander vision for infrastructure as they would probably see much bigger and impactful grants, projects. Not talking about taking I64/Hwy 40 underground or removing I44 in city limits outright but just to see something that reorganizes/reduces number of convoluted interchanges, or removes the Market ST/Forest Pkwy interchange mess and or even on the lowest hanging fruit in the country of simply removing raised section of freeway (lot cheaper to demo a bridge then dig a tunnel) between North Downtown/Laclede Landing with an at grade blvd between Washington Ave and Cass Ave (lot easier to maintain a blvd in long run than a tunnel and or a raised freeway).

Those proposals require "reduced service" to car drivers and non-city residents so they're non-starters in this state. Unfortunately MoDOT is unwilling to do anything whatsoever that would result in even a inch less roadway devoted to cars. We can't even get less than 4 lanes exiting Forest Park at Union, I think our odds of reducing highway lanes or interchanges are next to none in the current environment.

hebeters · PostMar 16, 2024#8372024-03-16T00:55+00:00

well I guess this new book is not on their must read list
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1394228147/ref=nosim/0sil8

airforceguy1 · PostMay 02, 2024#8382024-05-02T21:42+00:00

Construction to begin this summer on next piece of St. Louis’ Brickline Greenway trail

A Wednesday ceremony is the latest sign of incremental progress for the Brickline Greenway — heralding the upcoming construction of the next piece of the 10-mile biking and pedestrian corridor system that officials aim to extend across St. Louis by the end of the decade.
This summer, construction will start on a 0.8-mile stretch of the project along Market Street — between Compton Avenue and 22nd Street. Once completed, that swath near Harris-Stowe State University will join a pair of two-block segments of the project that have been built, so far — one near the Cortex tech hub, and the other in front of the CityPark soccer stadium.

Beyond the project’s small oases that are already finished or approaching fruition, the bulk of Brickline’s construction still awaits, with plans for completion in 2030. The corridor ultimately aims to have an east-west artery that connects the riverfront to Forest Park, while also branching north to Fairground Park and the site of the new, $1.7 billion National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency campus. The section of the project extending along North Grand Boulevard will be tackled next, said Emma Klues, a spokeswoman for Great Rivers Greenway, the public regional agency overseeing Brickline’s development.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/construction-to-begin-this-summer-on-next-piece-of-st-louis-brickline-greenway-trail/article_f221f9b2-07f1-11ef-88bf-9ff77cb8f40c.html

PeterXCV · PostMay 02, 2024#8392024-05-02T23:55+00:00

I'm sure the bike path will be nice but wowee who thought Market still needed 5 traffic lanes.

RockChalkSTL · PostMay 03, 2024#8402024-05-03T00:36+00:00

When will the Forest Park Ave. to Market Ave. upgrades happen?

I think 2028 or so.

It should, I believe, coincide with I-64 lessening its footprint and Forest Park Ave./Grand Blvd. intersection improvements.

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gone corporate · PostMay 05, 2024#8412024-05-05T20:04+00:00

The Brickline Greenway is one hell of an opportunity for STL to not only build pedestrian infrastructure but to tag on other infrastructure, such as high speed internet connectivity to neighborhoods that don't necessarily have it. I remember the plans for the Delmar Trolley line co-locating their rails with telephony and HSI infrastructure. Maybe this could be a viable means to get more IT infrastructure to parts of STL that don't have it? Just a thought...

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostMay 06, 2024#8422024-05-06T15:00+00:00

This expansion is great, what needs to happen though is an improvement of Compton Ave between Market and Laclede at the very least. Compton is currently a disaster for bicycling but 300 feet of improvements could connect the Greenway to the SLU campus.

With the new multi modal bridge starting construction next year I'm sure Compton will get some improvements eventually regardless

dredger · PostMay 06, 2024#8432024-05-06T19:13+00:00

^ & ^^ My train a thought after GC an GoHarv comments is yes, an absolute opportunity to transform the area but GoHarv brings up some point that lends me to think, did we put the cart before the horse with brickline moving forward on Market before we truly see what interchange improvements will be added or not.

Really think the whole Market/I64 interchange could and should go away. Compton Rebuild, Grand/FPP at grade intersection and some rebuild of Grand Ave/I64 interchange could a long way in defining a future area not dictated by 5 street lanes & overcapacity getting on & off I64. Once you solidify the plan on the roadways/themselves with more emphasis on multimodal you will have a better outcome for Brickline. Right now, I hope the brickline doesn't lock in a plan that maybe not as nearly as good as it can be

_nomad_ · PostMay 06, 2024#8442024-05-06T19:59+00:00

dredger wrote: ↑
May 06, 2024
^ & ^^ My train a thought after GC an GoHarv comments is yes, an absolute opportunity to transform the area but GoHarv brings up some point that lends me to think, did we put the cart before the horse with brickline moving forward on Market before we truly see what interchange improvements will be added or not.

Really think the whole Market/I64 interchange could and should go away. Compton Rebuild, Grand/FPP at grade intersection and some rebuild of Grand Ave/I64 interchange could a long way in defining a future area not dictated by 5 street lanes & overcapacity getting on & off I64. Once you solidify the plan on the roadways/themselves with more emphasis on multimodal you will have a better outcome for Brickline. Right now, I hope the brickline doesn't lock in a plan that maybe not as nearly as good as it can be

What is the possibility that we have any consequential road diets in that area in the foreseeable future? MoDOT's proposals to reduce the ramp spaghetti still include a 7 lane wide intersection at Grand & Forest Park and don't include any thoughts toward reducing car lanes or improving multimodal options. Unless the city is going to unilaterally halve the number of car lanes on Market, Grand, Compton, and/or Forest Park, (and I've seen no indication that they're open to doing so) we're going to be stuck with an area still defined by these overly wide stroads that we need to work around.

RockChalkSTL · PostMay 06, 2024#8452024-05-06T20:41+00:00

What are the chances we actually end up with a seamless Forest Park Ave.-to-Market?

It makes so much sense, but this town doesn't ever seem to move quickly.

symphonicpoet · PostMay 07, 2024#8462024-05-07T04:36+00:00

^We gave up our chance to quickly fix our roads when we handed them over to the state for a quick infusion of cash.

goat314 · PostAug 23, 2024#8472024-08-23T04:58+00:00

Nonprofit forms to revitalize three St. Louis City neighborhoods part of Brickline Greenway

By Elizabeth Barmeier St. Louis
PUBLISHED 4:04 PM CT Aug. 20, 2024

ST. LOUIS — A new nonprofit is working to revitalize St. Louis City neighborhoods that are along the northern part of the Brickline Greenway project.
The Brickline Greenway project is 10 miles of greenway with plans to link 14 St. Louis City neighborhoods and connect Forest Park, the Gateway Arch National Park, Fairground Park and Tower Grove Park, in addition to destinations in between.
The Brickline North Community Development Corporation (BNCDC) has plans to repopulate and grow Covenant Blu-Grand Center, Jeff-Vander-Lou and St. Louis Place neighborhood

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/mo/st-lou ... hborhoods-

dbInSouthCity · PostSep 13, 2024#8482024-09-13T19:15+00:00

Market phase 2 starts in 10 days

delmar2debaliviere2downtown · PostSep 13, 2024#8492024-09-13T20:32+00:00

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑
May 06, 2024
This expansion is great, what needs to happen though is an improvement of Compton Ave between Market and Laclede at the very least. Compton is currently a disaster for bicycling but 300 feet of improvements could connect the Greenway to the SLU campus.

With the new multi modal bridge starting construction next year I'm sure Compton will get some improvements eventually regardless

Compton is part of Brickline from Washington to Market. The Forest Park, 40/64, Grand to Compton mess needs to be calmed. I think it will be the next major road project. Hopefully eliminating the north ramps at 14th and between 9th and 10th will also be a soon project. These are all intersections/ramps where we need better car and pedestrian safety. Because the car safety is so poor at these, I think it's a good possibility we will also get the pedestrian safety we are wanting at these spots.

dredger · PostSep 14, 2024#8502024-09-14T20:57+00:00

Market/I64 interchange just needs to go away. No reason why Compton and a rebuilt Grand interchange can't handle such traffic.

My fear with advancing Brick line to far west along Market is putting the horse before the cart. Having an overall vision for more sensible network from Market to Forest Parkway without the interchange, an at grade Grand & FPP intersection and more sensible interchanges should be the priority in my opinion. In the meantime, it makes more sense to me to invest east of Grand with better connections between Steelcote, Armory, & Foundry. Maybe getting the trestle pathway into Foundry complete.

Brickline Greenway- Formerly Chouteau Greenway

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