I don’t think the NGA has city building permits because the Feds do their own thing.STLAPTS wrote:Weren’t a majority of those permit dollars the NGA?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 24, 2025North City saw $700,000,000 in building permits from 2021-2024addxb2 wrote: ↑Apr 23, 2025She ran on the same platform in 2021. Let me check.... yep, still vacant.
So, was the problem bigger than her political statements or was she bad at the job?
And from 2017-2020 it saw $303,000,000
So not sure what you’re point is, the payoff of that increased investment comes next. There is also another $100-150m in north city housing production programmed
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Federal and state governments do not get permits as they aren’t required to build according to city requirementsSTLAPTS wrote: ↑Apr 24, 2025Weren’t a majority of those permit dollars the NGA?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 24, 2025North City saw $700,000,000 in building permits from 2021-2024addxb2 wrote: ↑Apr 23, 2025She ran on the same platform in 2021. Let me check.... yep, still vacant.
So, was the problem bigger than her political statements or was she bad at the job?
And from 2017-2020 it saw $303,000,000
So not sure what you’re point is, the payoff of that increased investment comes next. There is also another $100-150m in north city housing production programmed
The gaslighting just keeps on going. The facts are just irrelevant.
Where?Auggie wrote: ↑Apr 24, 2025The gaslighting just keeps on going. The facts are just irrelevant.
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Some people don’t understand what the term gaslighting actually means.addxb2 wrote:Where?Auggie wrote: ↑Apr 24, 2025The gaslighting just keeps on going. The facts are just irrelevant.
The facts literally show that North City got significantly more investment under her term than the previous mayor. You are trying your best to ignore those facts to still make the case that Jones was "bad at the job" despite the election being over.addxb2 wrote: ↑Apr 23, 2025Jones ran on knowing how to reverse decades of disinvestment. Was the problem bigger than her political statements or was she bad at the job?
Now you're getting upset at legitimate criticisms being raised about your person, and you can't handle it, so you have to constantly defect back to the previous mayor and gaslight.
It's ***** obnoxious.
You are those people.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Apr 24, 2025Some people don’t understand what the term gaslighting actually means.addxb2 wrote:Where?Auggie wrote: ↑Apr 24, 2025The gaslighting just keeps on going. The facts are just irrelevant.
I never suggested that North City didn't see more build permit value. I stated that Jones made a bold campaign promise, similar to "back to basics" shared by Cara Spencer. As far as I recall, the vast majority of people gave Jones time to settle and make changes before scrutinizing her campaign promise. Excluding right wingers. If the city services story line never existed, she probably would've won with that promise again. She was delivering.Auggie wrote: ↑Apr 24, 2025The facts literally show that North City got significantly more investment under her term than the previous mayor. You are trying your best to ignore those facts to still make the case that Jones was "bad at the job" despite the election being over.addxb2 wrote: ↑Apr 23, 2025Jones ran on knowing how to reverse decades of disinvestment. Was the problem bigger than her political statements or was she bad at the job?
Now you're getting upset at legitimate criticisms being raised about your person, and you can't handle it, so you have to constantly defect back to the previous mayor and gaslight.
It's ***** obnoxious.
My point is that nothing shared has been legitimate criticism given the administration is just two weeks in and has been handed at least one headline blindside. I have no reason to trust Meghan Green nor the Jones appointed Treasurer as to whether Cara Spencer is a good leader right now.
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Jfc, going to drag another guy out of gardening his lawn to lead the most important org outside of city hall at age 77
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She’s known since January that she’s going to be Mayor and she’s known for years that she’s going to fire Neal the first chance she gets. So how does she not have something better lined up yet?
Little birdy from inside City Hall once told me "if you think Jones is bad, [Spencer] would be so much worse."JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Apr 24, 2025She’s known since January that she’s going to be Mayor and she’s known for years that she’s going to fire Neal the first chance she gets. So how does she not have something better lined up yet?
I didn't quite realize it would be as blatant as not having a plan about the police lawsuit and appointing a retired dude from the Slay/Krewson years to lead SLDC for who knows how long.
Hopefully it all works out.
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Well the whites are in complete control now so I’m sure it’ll be rainbows and gum drops from here on
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“They’re all very nice, smart, sincere but nobody she’s brought on has any idea how city gov works, it’s going to be a very tough first year” From someone at city hall
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If the new people aren't schooled in how to let 80k in cash go missing from the city tow lot office I'm cool with that.
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The people running the tow lot a month ago are the same people running it today and tomorrow and next year. the mayor cannot get rid of the commissioner of the towing division
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Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2025If the new people aren't schooled in how to let 80k in cash go missing from the city tow lot office I'm cool with that.
$80k is nothing in the grand scheme of fraud and corruption! Peanuts…
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Im excited for Spencer to hopefully take us in a new direction in terms of getting city services working really well/going back to basics.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Apr 24, 2025She’s known since January that she’s going to be Mayor and she’s known for years that she’s going to fire Neal the first chance she gets. So how does she not have something better lined up yet?
If the whole strategy is "Rehire everyone who worked here in 2019 when crime was much worse and our budget was much worse" I become less excited.
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To add, I don’t necessarily see this as a bad thing. It can be a good thing. It will be rough to start but they should do as much as possible to get away from previous ways of doing things. Couple other people have said that her younger staff is trying to push out the older influences like Rainford and Mayor VincedbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2025“They’re all very nice, smart, sincere but nobody she’s brought on has any idea how city gov works, it’s going to be a very tough first year” From someone at city hall
Like I said, "Hopefully it all works out."dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2025To add, I don’t necessarily see this as a bad thing. It can be a good thing. It will be rough to start but they should do as much as possible to get away from previous ways of doing things. Couple other people have said that her younger staff is trying to push out the older influences like Rainford and Mayor VincedbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2025“They’re all very nice, smart, sincere but nobody she’s brought on has any idea how city gov works, it’s going to be a very tough first year” From someone at city hall
DB, we were talking about this way upthread and I don't think we found the answer, so I'll ask it again:dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2025The people running the tow lot a month ago are the same people running it today and tomorrow and next year. the mayor cannot get rid of the commissioner of the towing division
Who can fire the commissioners? Based on my brief scroll of the Charter, it seems like it varies, but I could never find a firm answer for any of them. Not asking you to do homework but maybe you have a little birdy in the City Counselor's Office that has a ready response?
Seems "the way City government works" doesn't actually work, so I wish them luck fixing it. I'm familiar with Rainford through my employer and can say with 100% confidence his primary objective is to ensure that "the way City government works" continues to not work for anyone but our corporate overlords.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2025To add, I don’t necessarily see this as a bad thing. It can be a good thing. It will be rough to start but they should do as much as possible to get away from previous ways of doing things. Couple other people have said that her younger staff is trying to push out the older influences like Rainford and Mayor VincedbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2025“They’re all very nice, smart, sincere but nobody she’s brought on has any idea how city gov works, it’s going to be a very tough first year” From someone at city hall
To be fair... same was said about the Jones admin at the start and continued for 4 years.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2025“They’re all very nice, smart, sincere but nobody she’s brought on has any idea how city gov works, it’s going to be a very tough first year” From someone at city hall
