Another reddit rant, another post with no arguments, facts, data, or logic. Clown world.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025"this is an Internet forum bro" yep it sure is, which is why I'm scratching my head that you're wasting so much energy trying to convince us city geeks (who actually do pay attention to this stuff) that TJ is a great mayor rather than asking your friends and neighbors why they didn't turn out for her in the primary. But if you were to do that you'd have to accept their answers, which you seem stubbornly unwilling to do, much like the Jones campaign. Instead blame Spencer voters for being racist or ignorant or naive or averse to facts, etc. It's not at all unexpected. It just doesn't work.Auggie wrote: ↑Mar 11, 2025Because this is an internet forum bro. We aren't politicians and we aren't running for office. We should have the intelligence to base our opinions on the facts at hand. I'm sorry you're unable to do that. I couldn't give less of a ***** about what you think is tone deaf. You have yet to cite any fact or provide any argument. I've been told that this isn't reddit yet here you're just doing a reddit rant.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 11, 2025Another example of tonedeafness. Yeah, FEELINGS MATTER to voters. Not sure why anyone would ever underestimate that in this day and age. All the more reason Tishaura FAILED to inspire any feelings in the general population that things are going well for the city. I concede that yes, some trends and metrics have improved during TJ's tenure (many have not), but that is not enough for voters because SO MANY THINGS are NOT better. Sure, "facts matter" but they aren't the only things that matter. A hallmark of successful leadership is to influence people to your side and inspire confidence in your ability to usher in meaningful and lasting change. As evidenced by the primary results, Tishaura Jones has not been a successful leader. The same people who elected her 4 years ago have concluded that she has not delivered. Your ranting on and on about all the perceived injustice and unfairness ignores the most fundamental FACT of all-- the incumbent mayor is just not popular, even among the people who elected her the first time.
For real, if you are in any way part of TJ's campaign, it's no wonder why she hasn't connected with more voters- you don't really care about what most voters care about. In a [blue] city like St. Louis, telling people the earth is flat will not win elections. People are pissed about the state of the city right now and they have plenty to be pissed about.
The "fact" that voters don't like Jones means literally nothing to me. The facts and data are all that matters to me. Keep up.
I applaud you for sticking with your candidate through thick and thin, but all I see/hear is bitterness and resentment with zero self-reflection. At this point it just comes across as willfully out of touch and disinterested in the lived experience of so many fellow St. Louisans. A losing strategy from a losing candidate. Now I fully expect you to tell me why I'm wrong and you're right about everything. Better hurry, only a few weeks till Mayor Spencer is sworn in!
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Auggie just comes across as a smug college kid who thinks everyone who doesn't see things exactly as he does is woefully wrong.
Your inability to form an actual argument to support your position is why I think you're woefully wrong.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025Auggie just comes across as a smug college kid who thinks everyone who doesn't see things exactly as he does is woefully wrong.
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Some facts since you love them:
- Under Mayor Jones, the City of St. Louis fell below 300,000 population for the first time since 1870.
- Under Mayor Jones, the North Side continued its precipitous decline, despite promises that North Side bleeding would stop.
- Under Mayor Jones, basic city services were ignored or inadequately deployed.
- Under Mayor Jones, downtown St. Louis has become an even more desolate shell of a once-great urban center, and all efforts to focus investment and revitalization downtown have been met with resistance from the "righteous ones" who think child care subsidies (which only benefit a fraction of city residents) are a better use of our valuable Rams windfall.
- Mayor Jones has been out of town more than any other STL mayor in recent or distant memory, even while the city she "leads" was left paralyzed under thick ice and snow.
- Mayor Jones's/SLDC's North Side grant project has been exposed as the poster child of gross incompetence on every conceivable level.
- Because of the Jones administration's failure to respond to a major snow event in January, hundreds if not thousands of small businesses in the city (including mine) were forced to close and remain closed for several days or longer, profoundly impacting their financial stability (we are still digging out from those losses actually). You'd think maybe someone from the mayor's office might reach out and try to offer some support to the valuable small businesses that were affected, but nah).
- There are literally countless more "facts" that do not shine a favorable light on this administration.
- The majority of the city's voters agree with everything I've said here and they disagree with people like Auggie, who apparently live in an alternate universe in which they think the past 4 years have been awesome for the city and that everything is going swimmingly well.
- Auggie thinks voters are stupid, ignorant, racist and gullible because they voted against the facts outlined above.
- Cara Spencer will be the next mayor of St. Louis.
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not a lot of actual facts but a lot of irrational hate, misunderstanding and just made up things; answers below those thingsjivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025Some facts since you love them:
- Under Mayor Jones, the City of St. Louis fell below 300,000 population for the first time since 1870
- Under Mayor Jones, the North Side continued its precipitous decline, despite promises that North Side bleeding would stop.
- Under Mayor Jones, basic city services were ignored or inadequately deployed.
- Under Mayor Jones, downtown St. Louis has become an even more desolate shell of a once-great urban center, and all efforts to focus investment and revitalization downtown have been met with resistance from the "righteous ones" who think child care subsidies (which only benefit a fraction of city residents) are a better use of our valuable Rams windfall.
- Mayor Jones has been out of town more than any other STL mayor in recent or distant memory, even while the city she "leads" was left paralyzed under thick ice and snow.
- Mayor Jones's/SLDC's North Side grant project has been exposed as the poster child of gross incompetence on every conceivable level.
- Because of the Jones administration's failure to respond to a major snow event in January, hundreds if not thousands of small businesses in the city (including mine) were forced to close and remain closed for several days or longer, profoundly impacting their financial stability (we are still digging out from those losses actually). You'd think maybe someone from the mayor's office might reach out and try to offer some support to the valuable small businesses that were affected, but nah).
- There are literally countless more "facts" that do not shine a favorable light on this administration.
- The majority of the city's voters agree with everything I've said here and they disagree with people like Auggie, who apparently live in an alternate universe in which they think the past 4 years have been awesome for the city and that everything is going swimmingly well.
[li]Cara Spencer will be the next mayor of St. Louis. [/li]
- Auggie thinks voters are stupid, ignorant, racist and gullible because they voted against the facts outlined above.
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"Hate"? Not sure that is the right word man, come on. It's impressive that you have a response for each and every point against Tishaura Jones, but you hold the minority opinion on this topic and the voters are not fools.
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1.This was going to happen under anyone but maybe you should move to the City to get those numbers going in the right direction?
2. There has been more development than any other previous mayor
3. This is just straight up ignorant, post covid services sucked and have gotten much better over the 3 years since, and understaffed City is always going to struggle with service, a mayor will zero executive experience will do nothing to solve that.
4. I literally live here, the 2025 downtown vs 2020/2021 downtown is night a day, there hasn't been 2000 apartments in the pipeline since early 2000s like there is today nor this much investment, i suggest you actually spend some time in downtown. And Child care benefit as a recruiting tool is one of the best things the City can do to get a new generation of employees to replace the aging and retiring one, which you know we need to provide basic services and implement all the other ARPA and Rams money
5.OH NO A Mayor who regularly attends Mayors Conferences and meets with Peers around the country! how horrible. Maybe Krewson and Slay should have done more of it.
6. The northside grant program is Lewis Reeds, this admin and SLDC got stuck trying to admin an unworkable program.
7. Citys responses in 2025 was the same for this type of storm as its always been, try to get all the major routes done and let nature take care of side streets
8.Ok
9. Majority of the City voters did not agree with everything you said sine only 17.7% voted and of that 17.7% about 60 (actual people do not approve votes) agreed with that, so about 10.62% of all registered voters or about 20,000 out of 200,000. Things have gotten better on multi fronts, things will never go swimmingly, with this mayor or the one with zero executive experience.
10. I think its silly to pretend to know what someone thinks
11. Most likely and just as likely, everything will remain status quo
2. There has been more development than any other previous mayor
3. This is just straight up ignorant, post covid services sucked and have gotten much better over the 3 years since, and understaffed City is always going to struggle with service, a mayor will zero executive experience will do nothing to solve that.
4. I literally live here, the 2025 downtown vs 2020/2021 downtown is night a day, there hasn't been 2000 apartments in the pipeline since early 2000s like there is today nor this much investment, i suggest you actually spend some time in downtown. And Child care benefit as a recruiting tool is one of the best things the City can do to get a new generation of employees to replace the aging and retiring one, which you know we need to provide basic services and implement all the other ARPA and Rams money
5.OH NO A Mayor who regularly attends Mayors Conferences and meets with Peers around the country! how horrible. Maybe Krewson and Slay should have done more of it.
6. The northside grant program is Lewis Reeds, this admin and SLDC got stuck trying to admin an unworkable program.
7. Citys responses in 2025 was the same for this type of storm as its always been, try to get all the major routes done and let nature take care of side streets
8.Ok
9. Majority of the City voters did not agree with everything you said sine only 17.7% voted and of that 17.7% about 60 (actual people do not approve votes) agreed with that, so about 10.62% of all registered voters or about 20,000 out of 200,000. Things have gotten better on multi fronts, things will never go swimmingly, with this mayor or the one with zero executive experience.
10. I think its silly to pretend to know what someone thinks
11. Most likely and just as likely, everything will remain status quo
Voters also elected Trump, twice and the second time after he let covid kill over a 1,000,000 people and the led an uprising to over throw the government and the country.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025the voters are not fools.
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Fair point, and just as the Democrats failed to inspire the masses in the last election, Tishaura Jones and her campaign failed to win people over during the past 4 years. But it's the voters' fault I guess?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025Voters also elected Trump, twice and the second time after he let covid kill over a 1,000,000 people and the led an uprising to over throw the government and the country.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025the voters are not fools.
Also the Trump/Spencer analogy is a false equivalency for obvious reasons and everyone should do better than to keep regurgitating that BS
Suddenly we vear away from facts and choose emotion when talking about Trump lol
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Jones' campaign team would not even get an F, and she didnt need to inspire the masses to win, she needed to keep her coalition of Northside and TGS/Shaw and she lost the TGS/Shaw part of it. She won it 57/42 in March 2021 and lost it by 35 this time.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025Fair point, and just as the Democrats failed to inspire the masses in the last election, Tishaura Jones and her campaign failed to win people over during the past 4 years. But it's the voters' fault I guess?
Also the Trump/Spencer analogy is a false equivalency for obvious reasons and everyone should do better than to keep regurgitating that BS
I'm not comparing Spencer to Trump, just that voters are sometimes irrational. Whether they are this time around, we wont know for a year or 2 after the election. As i told Cara the last time she rage texted me because of a tweet of mine she didnt like, I think she will be a good Mayor and especially if she can turn over West Co CEO support into action on job/corporate relocations. Everything else will move along as its been moving along
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Okay, so voters are sometimes irrational, sure. So where are the rational voters that TJ failed to rally behind her? Why isn't her message resonating with more people, especially the ENTHUSIASTIC supporters who carried her to victory last time?
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She lost a lot of them with the handling of the CJC post Workhouse closure.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025Okay, so voters are sometimes irrational, sure. So where are the rational voters that TJ failed to rally behind her? Why isn't her message resonating with more people, especially the ENTHUSIASTIC supporters who carried her to victory last time?
Action St.Louis was the biggest reason she won last time and they’ve been absent this time
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I see. And the rest of us are just irrational. Got it.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025She lost a lot of them with the handling of the CJC post Workhouse closure.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025Okay, so voters are sometimes irrational, sure. So where are the rational voters that TJ failed to rally behind her? Why isn't her message resonating with more people, especially the ENTHUSIASTIC supporters who carried her to victory last time?
Action St.Louis was the biggest reason she won last time and they’ve been absent this time
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No, I’m explaining why Jones lost her core voting block.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025I see. And the rest of us are just irrational. Got it.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025She lost a lot of them with the handling of the CJC post Workhouse closure.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025Okay, so voters are sometimes irrational, sure. So where are the rational voters that TJ failed to rally behind her? Why isn't her message resonating with more people, especially the ENTHUSIASTIC supporters who carried her to victory last time?
Action St.Louis was the biggest reason she won last time and they’ve been absent this time
Idk about “us”. You can’t vote here
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Another winning strategy from Team Jones- go personal and avoid the issues.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025No, I’m explaining why Jones lost her core voting block.
Idk about “us”. You can’t vote here
He literally rebutted your "issues" point by point.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025Another winning strategy from Team Jones- go personal and avoid the issues.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025No, I’m explaining why Jones lost her core voting block.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025I see. And the rest of us are just irrational. Got it.
Idk about “us”. You can’t vote here
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Are you ok today?jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025Another winning strategy from Team Jones- go personal and avoid the issues.
It’s not personal to state that you don’t live here and cannot vote here, it’s just a fact, you just went on a 11 or so point “fact” ramble. And every subsequent response you ignore a valid factual point and invent something that’s not there to move the goal posts
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At the end of the day Jones lost support compared to 2021 in every area of the city with the exception of the UrbanSTL forum.
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That tracks with the admin’s accomplishments doesn’t it? Urbanist saw so some of the biggest wins under this admin this century; updated land use plan, updated zoning code, first ever citywide transportation and mobility plan, individual neighborhoods plans, biggest investment in safer roadway, just look at Scott’s tweets over the last few years on that front
https://twitter.com/scottogilviestl?s=21
Until this past winter, the City did not have an ADA Transition Plan in place. The process of cataloging non-compliant infrastructure took two years, from 2021 to 2023. Since then, the City has been gradually addressing the identified issues. This month, those efforts have reached Washington Avenue, where all curb ramps are being replaced to meet ADA standards.
https://twitter.com/scottogilviestl?s=21
Until this past winter, the City did not have an ADA Transition Plan in place. The process of cataloging non-compliant infrastructure took two years, from 2021 to 2023. Since then, the City has been gradually addressing the identified issues. This month, those efforts have reached Washington Avenue, where all curb ramps are being replaced to meet ADA standards.
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Those are great advancements and I am sure Mayor Spencer will continue to pursue those and other pro-urban initiatives. Scott has done an incredible job.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025That tracks with the admin’s accomplishments doesn’t it? Urbanist saw so some of the biggest wins under this admin this century; updated land use plan, updated zoning code, first ever citywide transportation and mobility plan, individual neighborhoods plans, biggest investment in safer roadway, just look at Scott’s tweets over the last few years on that front
https://twitter.com/scottogilviestl?s=21
Until this past winter, the City did not have an ADA Transition Plan in place. The process of cataloging non-compliant infrastructure took two years, from 2021 to 2023. Since then, the City has been gradually addressing the identified issues. This month, those efforts have reached Washington Avenue, where all curb ramps are being replaced to meet ADA standards.
This is the #1 issue with pro-Spencer people. They're all "sure" a heavily corporate interest backed candidate will just continue the policies of the incumbent that those same supporters claim is doing a bad job and deserves to be ousted. Pinnacle of incoherent and it's really no wonder none of you can form a real, comprehensive argument if under the hood you actually agree with the majority of what the Jones administration has done.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025Those are great advancements and I am sure Mayor Spencer will continue to pursue those and other pro-urban initiatives. Scott has done an incredible job.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025That tracks with the admin’s accomplishments doesn’t it? Urbanist saw so some of the biggest wins under this admin this century; updated land use plan, updated zoning code, first ever citywide transportation and mobility plan, individual neighborhoods plans, biggest investment in safer roadway, just look at Scott’s tweets over the last few years on that front
https://twitter.com/scottogilviestl?s=21
Until this past winter, the City did not have an ADA Transition Plan in place. The process of cataloging non-compliant infrastructure took two years, from 2021 to 2023. Since then, the City has been gradually addressing the identified issues. This month, those efforts have reached Washington Avenue, where all curb ramps are being replaced to meet ADA standards.
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What's the #1 issue with pro-Jones people? Denial? A penchant for gaslighting? Inability to respect differences of opinion without hurling "RACISM!" insults at people who don't agree with you? I can't keep track. Stop telling people that everything is awesome when lived experience tells a very different story. The facts and figures you keep posting are great and all but they don't exist in a vacuum. There is more to leadership than just some positive numbers (also recognize that MANY trends under this admin are not going in a positive direction).Auggie wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025This is the #1 issue with pro-Spencer people. They're all "sure" a heavily corporate interest backed candidate will just continue the policies of the incumbent that those same supporters claim is doing a bad job and deserves to be ousted. Pinnacle of incoherent and it's really no wonder none of you can form a real, comprehensive argument if under the hood you actually agree with the majority of what the Jones administration has done.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025Those are great advancements and I am sure Mayor Spencer will continue to pursue those and other pro-urban initiatives. Scott has done an incredible job.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 12, 2025That tracks with the admin’s accomplishments doesn’t it? Urbanist saw so some of the biggest wins under this admin this century; updated land use plan, updated zoning code, first ever citywide transportation and mobility plan, individual neighborhoods plans, biggest investment in safer roadway, just look at Scott’s tweets over the last few years on that front
https://twitter.com/scottogilviestl?s=21
Until this past winter, the City did not have an ADA Transition Plan in place. The process of cataloging non-compliant infrastructure took two years, from 2021 to 2023. Since then, the City has been gradually addressing the identified issues. This month, those efforts have reached Washington Avenue, where all curb ramps are being replaced to meet ADA standards.
Auggie, since you have all the answers and solutions I think YOU should run for mayor instead of continuing this embarrassing Weekend at Bernie's charade for TJ. A credible campaign would demonstrate some humility after a primary showing like that, but most of Jones's surrogates think blaming the voters is a better path to victory. Good luck with that.