2025 St Louis Mayor's Race

JaneJacobsGhost · PostMar 01, 2025#9512025-03-01T13:45+00:00

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑
Feb 28, 2025
Auggie wrote:
Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑
Feb 28, 2025
Which is why I asked what is the $ cutoff for when it’s acceptable to take donations from bad people? Apparently it’s somewhere between $5K and $111K, which is ideologically convenient.

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How about the $600k fundraiser that Clark held out at Clayco's offices in North County? Where the average attendee donated $3,000?

Gotta do some mental gymnastics to equate a billionaire who intentionally created bad news for the city for political gain to some dude that the average person has never heard of.
Mental gymnastics is an apt description of this conversation for sure. Both sides have accepted numerous donations from MAGA affiliated or otherwise seedy characters. If it’s “disqualifying” for Spencer as JJG put it, I ask that we call it both ways.

The MAGA money isn’t disqualifying. I said it’s fair game.

The Bob Clark hit money is disqualifying

whitherSTL · PostMar 01, 2025#9522025-03-01T15:11+00:00

https://www.city-journal.org/article/st ... aura-jones

A different perspective. Have at it!

quincunx · PostMar 01, 2025#9532025-03-01T15:26+00:00

Auggie wrote: ↑
Mar 01, 2025
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... louis.html

Andrew Jones SLBJ interview:

-Says he would keep the Rams money in an interest account and only take off from the interest gained.

-Says he would expand on the 2030 Jobs Plan by working closer with other regional leaders.

-Says the earnings tax is "the lifeblood" of the city and that he wouldn't remove it until there's revenue to replace it.

-Says he would want a way to "claw back" mispent money from the North City grant program.

-Says he thinks Neal Richardson, the CEO of SLDC, is doing a "fantastic job" and that he would keep him on to evaluate his performance.

-Supports state control of the police.

-Says he would not seek a city-county merger, said the county had issues that he doesn't want the city dealing with.

-Says the Green Line is a "phenomenonal" idea, but that the city has more pressing issues.

-Opposes tax dollars going towards Busch Stadium or the Dome.

Amazing to hear some specific ideas and positions. At the transportation infrastructure forum all he said over and over was crime and economic development with no specifics.

addxb2 · PostMar 01, 2025#9542025-03-01T16:31+00:00

Remington Research

Cara Spencer 51%
Tishaura Jones 34%
Michael Butler 24%
Andrew Jones 13%

Tishaura Jones:
Definitely vote for: 26%
Probably vote for: 8%
Will not vote for: 53%
Undecided: 13%

Cara Spencer:
Definitely vote for: 38%
Probably vote for: 13%
Will not vote for: 33%
Undecided: 16%

Michael Butler
Definitely vote for: 10%
Probably vote for: 14%
Will not vote for: 50%
Undecided: 26%

Andrew Jones
Definitely vote for: 7%
Probably vote for: 6%
Will not vote for: 61%
Undecided: 26%

dbInSouthCity · PostMar 01, 2025#9552025-03-01T16:31+00:00

Final prediction
38,000 voters/59,000 votes

Spencer 52
Jones 43
Butler 22
AJones 9

addxb2 · PostMar 01, 2025#9562025-03-01T16:35+00:00

There is opportunity for Jones with Butler out of the race. Tough though if 53% say they won’t vote for you during an open primary.

dbInSouthCity · PostMar 01, 2025#9572025-03-01T16:43+00:00

addxb2 wrote: ↑
Mar 01, 2025
There is opportunity for Jones with Butler out of the race. Tough though if 53% say they won’t vote for you during an open primary.

It’s really tough to tell what’s going on under the hood with these because of approval voting in the primary. We know Spencer already has some A Jones votes baked in and jones from butler. The electorate for April will also be different

Jones will be going to April down 2 runs going into the bottom of the 9th inning.

Auggie · PostMar 01, 2025#9582025-03-01T20:07+00:00

whitherSTL wrote: ↑
Mar 01, 2025
https://www.city-journal.org/article/st ... aura-jones

A different perspective. Have at it!

What do you expect a right-wing editorial "journal" to say? Lmao.

STLCityMike · PostMar 01, 2025#9592025-03-01T21:32+00:00

whitherSTL wrote: ↑
Mar 01, 2025
https://www.city-journal.org/article/st ... aura-jones

A different perspective. Have at it!

I did not bother to follow all of the links, but this is definitely not the experience I have as a city resident. I am not sure how much truth there is here, but I am sure this will influence many who don't want to think for themselves.

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostMar 02, 2025#9602025-03-02T01:29+00:00

No one would have known that crap even existed if Whiter hadn’t put it out here. The far right love the disinformation game

Auggie · PostMar 02, 2025#9612025-03-02T01:57+00:00

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑
Mar 02, 2025
No one would have known that crap even existed if Whiter hadn’t put it out here. The far right love the disinformation game

It's been going around STL Twitter too. Your typical suspects posting it as if it's the Bible.

Baltimore Jack · PostMar 02, 2025#9622025-03-02T03:53+00:00

^ where is the visible support for Mayor Jones?

I see almost no signage for her.

Auggie · PostMar 02, 2025#9632025-03-02T04:26+00:00

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑
Mar 02, 2025
^ where is the visible support for Mayor Jones?

I see almost no signage for her.

Spencer-20
Butler-7
A. Jones- 7
T. Jones- 2

SW City

Baltimore Jack · PostMar 02, 2025#9642025-03-02T15:50+00:00

Prediction

Spencer 54%
T Jones 35%
Butler 22%
A. Jones 11%

quincunx · PostMar 02, 2025#9652025-03-02T16:23+00:00

I haven't received a single mailer.

symphonicpoet · PostMar 02, 2025#9662025-03-02T18:07+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Mar 02, 2025
I haven't received a single mailer.

I got five Friday; four mayoral and one aldermanic: Two from Jones, two from Spencer, and one from . . . someone else. Shane Cohen's opponent? Can't even recall her name without digging it out of the recycles. (And yes, one of the Spencer mailers was the picture of the private dumpster complaining about city trash service. The second one was also a dumpster, and was pretty much the same thing but with an actual Bright-Side/Schoeml dumpster this time. So maybe just a correction? The Jones two were more different: one pro Jones, one anti Spencer.)

Ebsy · PostMar 02, 2025#9672025-03-02T20:41+00:00

For our dear friend who is constantly strutting around this thread demanding numbers to back up anecdotal (if widespread) reports of poor delivery of essential city services, Austin Huguelet had this to report is today's Post-Dispatch:

Auggie · PostMar 02, 2025#9682025-03-02T21:55+00:00

Ebsy how about you be a dear and explain what exactly Cara Spencer is gonna do to make [whatever you're b*tching] about better?

Can you do that? Or no? Because no one has done that yet, including Cara Spencer.

Ebsy · PostMar 03, 2025#9692025-03-03T00:08+00:00

Auggie wrote: ↑
Mar 02, 2025
Ebsy how about you be a dear and explain what exactly Cara Spencer is gonna do to make [whatever you're b*tching] about better?

Can you do that? Or no? Because no one has done that yet, including Cara Spencer.

She has sections on the platform section of her website addressing what she would do to improve each of these essential city services. The proposed policy changes and initiatives there are much more concrete that the platform section of Jones' website. Whether Spencer's proposals will work and change things for the better is unknowable but in my opinion Spencer executing her plan is more likely to change things for the better than Jones continuing her lackluster efforts for another 4 years.

JaneJacobsGhost · PostMar 03, 2025#9702025-03-03T00:15+00:00

Regarding the status of the roads (which I acknowledge are abysmal) I wonder how much of it has to do with Spire’s utility work? Feels like they have been ripping up the road all over the city the last 6 months - they certainly have in my neck of the woods.

There are lanes on FPP and Lindell (and many other places) that are in unacceptable condition. If drivers have to swerve into the oncoming traffic lane or the shoulder, it creates a very dangerous situation for everyone.

Agree with Auggie that I have not heard how Spencer would fix roads or trash.

PostMar 03, 2025#9712025-03-03T00:21+00:00

By unacceptable I mean that are lanes on FPP and Lindell that should be closed to traffic.

Debaliviere91 · PostMar 03, 2025#9722025-03-03T00:22+00:00

To reiterate what Ebsy said above, Spencer does lay out what she wants to do for fixing roads, trash and other services on her website. Tishaura really doesn’t.

Auggie · PostMar 03, 2025#9732025-03-03T01:35+00:00

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑
Mar 03, 2025
To reiterate what Ebsy said above, Spencer does lay out what she wants to do for fixing roads, trash and other services on her website. Tishaura really doesn’t.

No she doesn't. I will be going over her entire campaign website later tonight (after work). The section on city services comes down to paying workers more (with what money?) and contracting the jobs out (again, with what money?).

A reoccurring issue with Spencer's campaign is the need for significantly more revenue than the city actually has to fulfill her promises.

And we all know privatization has pretty much always worked to perfection (as seen by Spencer's own campaign mailer that features a private dumpster).

PostMar 03, 2025#9742025-03-03T01:37+00:00

Ebsy wrote: ↑
Mar 03, 2025
Auggie wrote: ↑
Mar 02, 2025
Ebsy how about you be a dear and explain what exactly Cara Spencer is gonna do to make [whatever you're b*tching] about better?

Can you do that? Or no? Because no one has done that yet, including Cara Spencer.
She has sections on the platform section of her website addressing what she would do to improve each of these essential city services. The proposed policy changes and initiatives there are much more concrete that the platform section of Jones' website. Whether Spencer's proposals will work and change things for the better is unknowable but in my opinion Spencer executing her plan is more likely to change things for the better than Jones continuing her lackluster efforts for another 4 years.

Spencer's plan may work if money grew on trees.

Debaliviere91 · PostMar 03, 2025#9752025-03-03T01:47+00:00

Auggie wrote:
Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑
Mar 03, 2025
To reiterate what Ebsy said above, Spencer does lay out what she wants to do for fixing roads, trash and other services on her website. Tishaura really doesn’t.
No she doesn't. I will be going over her entire campaign website later tonight (after work). The section on city services comes down to paying workers more (with what money?) and contracting the jobs out (again, with what money?).

A reoccurring issue with Spencer's campaign is the need for significantly more revenue than the city actually has to fulfill her promises.

And we all know privatization has pretty much always worked to perfection (as seen by Spencer's own campaign mailer that features a private dumpster).

This isn’t an accurate recap as to what’s laid out on her website. I think you’ll see that once you “go over her entire website.”

I don’t know if what’s she’s proposing will work, but she has a few different ideas for a different approach and/or more efficient way to deliver city services.

In terms of funding, she seems to be pretty honest. In some instances she clarifies that we already have the budget, in other instances she acknowledges we need to find the funding, and in other instances she proposes ways to streamline costs.

2025 St Louis Mayor's Race

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