Rooftop pool would be pretty cooldbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 22, 2025Some details
625+ apartments
80,000 sq of retail on floors 1-3 and also B1-3
100,000 sq of amenities
Largest automated guided vehicle parking system in the world (floors 4-14 floors)
Rooftop pool and restaurant/bar
80k sqft of retail is a lot, but I'm guessing they're confident they can get it done. No doubt in my mind that GSL is determined to take the Rams settlement to push some of these projects to the finish line. Depending on the tenants, I could see this being a big tourist attraction for people visiting the Arch. I've always wondered about the lack of retail on the streets surrounding the mall. Seem like restaurants with views of the Arch would be a hit and instant money maker.
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I don’t believe GSL has engaged with the Goldman Group in any meaningful way
80K sqft of brick-and-mortar retail in 2025 seems like a bad bad bad idea.goat314 wrote: ↑Jan 23, 202580k sqft of retail is a lot, but I'm guessing they're confident they can get it done. No doubt in my mind that GSL is determined to take the Rams settlement to push some of these projects to the finish line. Depending on the tenants, I could see this being a big tourist attraction for people visiting the Arch. I've always wondered about the lack of retail on the streets surrounding the mall. Seem like restaurants with views of the Arch would be a hit and instant money maker.
Currently - and not counting any Schnucks or car dealer -- what is the biggest single brick-and-mortar retailer in the city? south city target? Ikea? (a question not fully related to this development.)
Suppose that, upon reflection, Ikea was a painfully obvious answer. LOLquincunx wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2025Ikea
Now, to tie it back to the SBC tower, please, no tax subsidy for brick-and-motor retail or entertainment.
Here are a couple of links on what will probably be similar to the automated parking system. A building in Downtown Detroit uses the system.
Bedrock Detroit Free-Press Building
AutoParkit Website
Bedrock Detroit Free-Press Building
AutoParkit Website
Land a target (or at least a walgreens/cvs) and it's a slam dunk. Not sure if there's another grocer needed this close to culinaria.goat314 wrote: ↑Jan 23, 202580k sqft of retail is a lot, but I'm guessing they're confident they can get it done. No doubt in my mind that GSL is determined to take the Rams settlement to push some of these projects to the finish line. Depending on the tenants, I could see this being a big tourist attraction for people visiting the Arch. I've always wondered about the lack of retail on the streets surrounding the mall. Seem like restaurants with views of the Arch would be a hit and instant money maker.
Overall, this is super exciting. Hopeful. And a good use of funds to give the area a shot in the arm, and hopefully, a pop of perception, though of course not without the naysayers or the critical eye on whatever the financing turns out to be.
I hate to continue to be the wet blanket here, but there just isn't enough demand for a downtown Target or Walgreens/CVS. Nationally, chains like Walgreens/CVS are closing numerous locations not opening.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2025Land a target (or at least a walgreens/cvs) and it's a slam dunk. Not sure if there's another grocer needed this close to culinaria.goat314 wrote: ↑Jan 23, 202580k sqft of retail is a lot, but I'm guessing they're confident they can get it done. No doubt in my mind that GSL is determined to take the Rams settlement to push some of these projects to the finish line. Depending on the tenants, I could see this being a big tourist attraction for people visiting the Arch. I've always wondered about the lack of retail on the streets surrounding the mall. Seem like restaurants with views of the Arch would be a hit and instant money maker.
Overall, this is super exciting. Hopeful. And a good use of funds to give the area a shot in the arm, and hopefully, a pop of perception, though of course not without the naysayers or the critical eye on whatever the financing turns out to be.
And, with the target in midtown, a DT target just isn't needed.
Primark...Primark..Primark...forever whistling...will always belaborrrrrrrrrr Primark. 
Target has a ton of small foot print stores in Minneapolis. Not sure if they have them other places I assume that they do. If I had to guess, 1/2 the size of the new location on Grand. A small city format store could work.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2025Land a target (or at least a walgreens/cvs) and it's a slam dunk. Not sure if there's another grocer needed this close to culinaria.goat314 wrote: ↑Jan 23, 202580k sqft of retail is a lot, but I'm guessing they're confident they can get it done. No doubt in my mind that GSL is determined to take the Rams settlement to push some of these projects to the finish line. Depending on the tenants, I could see this being a big tourist attraction for people visiting the Arch. I've always wondered about the lack of retail on the streets surrounding the mall. Seem like restaurants with views of the Arch would be a hit and instant money maker.
Overall, this is super exciting. Hopeful. And a good use of funds to give the area a shot in the arm, and hopefully, a pop of perception, though of course not without the naysayers or the critical eye on whatever the financing turns out to be.
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I have a feeling they have a retail concept different than what yall are imagining. I also doubt they are thinking one giant 80K retailer. I’ve never been in the building but it doesn’t have interaction with the street. Maybe they plan to open windows up at the base?
My biggest qualm about the way we spent 100 years designing the gateway mall is then we allowed buildings that don’t engage with the mall or the street. AT&T is one of those. It’s hard to imagine how they would fit the bottom floors to do retail like Primark, etc. I’m thinking that they will have some sort of cafe inside, fitness studio, a convenience mart type grocer, a bank. Nothing exciting but things that the residents will want and use. I’ll be pleasantly surprised though if they redo the entrance and pull off a great retail asset for the mall. An apple store being a component would be pretty awesome, and I think Downtown actually has a better shot at that with the right offer if you look at the geography of their locations in the metro.
Also, what do the driveways on each side of the building go to? I always assumed an underground parking garage but seems all anyone talks about with this building is parking? I’m just not familiar with the layout of this building at all.
My biggest qualm about the way we spent 100 years designing the gateway mall is then we allowed buildings that don’t engage with the mall or the street. AT&T is one of those. It’s hard to imagine how they would fit the bottom floors to do retail like Primark, etc. I’m thinking that they will have some sort of cafe inside, fitness studio, a convenience mart type grocer, a bank. Nothing exciting but things that the residents will want and use. I’ll be pleasantly surprised though if they redo the entrance and pull off a great retail asset for the mall. An apple store being a component would be pretty awesome, and I think Downtown actually has a better shot at that with the right offer if you look at the geography of their locations in the metro.
Also, what do the driveways on each side of the building go to? I always assumed an underground parking garage but seems all anyone talks about with this building is parking? I’m just not familiar with the layout of this building at all.
The building was built with a limited number of underground parking spaces for the SBC execs, plus the loading dock.
There was even an automatic car wash down there.
There was even an automatic car wash down there.
They do, saw one in downtown Charleston.STLAPTS wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2025Target has a ton of small foot print stores in Minneapolis. Not sure if they have them other places I assume that they do. If I had to guess, 1/2 the size of the new location on Grand. A small city format store could work.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2025Land a target (or at least a walgreens/cvs) and it's a slam dunk. Not sure if there's another grocer needed this close to culinaria.goat314 wrote: ↑Jan 23, 202580k sqft of retail is a lot, but I'm guessing they're confident they can get it done. No doubt in my mind that GSL is determined to take the Rams settlement to push some of these projects to the finish line. Depending on the tenants, I could see this being a big tourist attraction for people visiting the Arch. I've always wondered about the lack of retail on the streets surrounding the mall. Seem like restaurants with views of the Arch would be a hit and instant money maker.
Overall, this is super exciting. Hopeful. And a good use of funds to give the area a shot in the arm, and hopefully, a pop of perception, though of course not without the naysayers or the critical eye on whatever the financing turns out to be.
Target isn't going downtown. They went to Midtown, that's that.
Downtown Indianapolis has a TJ Maxx and just got a Burlington.
I do definitely think they could attract something significant if they legitimately have the numbers suggesting there's demand for 600+ new apartments.
I think a grocery store would be good. Maybe a community Walgreens, since there's already a CVS in the Schnucks.
I'm still not very confident this has a real chance though.
Downtown Indianapolis has a TJ Maxx and just got a Burlington.
I do definitely think they could attract something significant if they legitimately have the numbers suggesting there's demand for 600+ new apartments.
I think a grocery store would be good. Maybe a community Walgreens, since there's already a CVS in the Schnucks.
I'm still not very confident this has a real chance though.
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7-11 would be nice to have DT again.
What are the odds they could score an attraction/destination retailer (or Union Station for that matter) like Eataly? Guessing fairly low, but I think that’s where the mindset should be.
What are the odds they could score an attraction/destination retailer (or Union Station for that matter) like Eataly? Guessing fairly low, but I think that’s where the mindset should be.
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Something like that anchoring a portion to the first two levels at RX would be great
What are the odds we get a WSJ “Doom Loop” follow up when AT&T, Railway Exchange, and Millennium all have redevelopment plans in motion? Meanwhile, GM is threatening to demolish the entire Renaissance Center in Detroit, the city they used as the success story to counter STL, if they don’t get a few hundred million dollars from the state and city to only demolish half of it.
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We’re a punching bag hick state. Best to just get over it. When WashU cures Alzheimer’s that may change perceptions of StL but I’m not holding my breath.
If all are started/ completed, very likely.MOsloth22 wrote:What are the odds we get a WSJ “Doom Loop” follow up when AT&T, Railway Exchange, and Millennium all have redevelopment plans in motion? Meanwhile, GM is threatening to demolish the entire Renaissance Center in Detroit, the city they used as the success story to counter STL, if they don’t get a few hundred million dollars from the state and city to only demolish half of it.
Hopefully they use Westfalia Automated Parking. Track record of very successful and reliable projects. They automate not only parking garages, but Warehouses as well for Fortune 500 companies like Pepsi and Coca Cola.TalkinDev wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2025Here are a couple of links on what will probably be similar to the automated parking system. A building in Downtown Detroit uses the system.
Bedrock Detroit Free-Press Building
AutoParkit Website
Westfalia Automated Parking Garage
St. Louis’ AT&T tower redo eyes 600 apartments, automated parking
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... user-share
Acknowledging that I have a simplistic view on things, I want to see the City and GSL do so much more to help this project. Hire a site coordinator or development assistant who acts like a liaison for just this site. This developer should get anything they need/want and quickly.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... user-share
Acknowledging that I have a simplistic view on things, I want to see the City and GSL do so much more to help this project. Hire a site coordinator or development assistant who acts like a liaison for just this site. This developer should get anything they need/want and quickly.
How is that possible? Is that intentional?dbInSouthCity wrote:No contact between GSL and GG
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I think this was purchased, had a ton of incentives awarded, and Goldman was well on their way internally before GSL was really getting aggressive. Probably given the huge credits, not much more to do anyway.