If she cared deeply for the city, she'd sit her ass down and wait her turn and let the incumbent successful mayor have 4 more years instead of using the fact this city won't re-elect a black person to get in the mayor's office.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2025you keep b*tching about people supposedly making sh*t up and meanwhile every other post you're fabricating some bullsh*t about Cara. where's the ***** evidence for any of this? her constituents—the vast majority of which are not Slay supporters in the 20th and now 8th wards—love her, which is why she was overwhelmingly reelected for a second term. i've known Cara for a long time; she's ***** awesome and cares deeply for this city. i have no problem with Tishaura, but Cara is every bit as capable.Auggie wrote: ↑Jan 18, 2025Slay's base is Spencer's base. The appointed officials support Jones because they know how sh*t Spencer will be, just judging by how she acts as an alderperson in meeting, emails, etc in their interactions with her.
you don't seem to understand that snark, hostility, and yelling your opinion repeatedly don't constitute arguments. you're not convincing anyone of anything, and you're sure as sh*t not making any friends. maybe log off for a while and go do something that makes you less angry. you might consider seeing a therapist, too. you're wasting your time and ours here.
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Oh, for the love of god, she's allowed to run. I like Jones. I plan to vote for her. But Spencer isn't precisely an uncaring monster. She's a concerned and effective Alderman. She's got a pretty good reputation of her own. I don't think either side here is stupid, or uncaring, or anything like that. Each thinks they can be the more effective administrator. Okay. Lay it out. We can vote. Plenty of people will vote for dumb reasons. Other people will vote for good reasons. Both Spencer and Jones will doubtless court voters of both sorts (within reason) because . . . well . . . every vote counts the same and they need every vote they can get. Can we stop it with the silly badmouthing?
There's plenty of room for substance. The travel could be a point of disagreement. The snow can be one. Policing. Courts. The jail. Economic development. The use of incentives. Streets planning. Trash collection. . . . There's real stuff to talk about. Let's maybe stick to that and stay away from the personal attacks? Maybe?
There's plenty of room for substance. The travel could be a point of disagreement. The snow can be one. Policing. Courts. The jail. Economic development. The use of incentives. Streets planning. Trash collection. . . . There's real stuff to talk about. Let's maybe stick to that and stay away from the personal attacks? Maybe?
If we stuck to the real stuff it would be 5272837-2 in favor of Jones. Which is why we can't stick to the real stuff and we need to make stuff to about snow and her traveling.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2025Oh, for the love of god, she's allowed to run. I like Jones. I plan to vote for her. But Spencer isn't precisely an uncaring monster. She's a concerned and effective Alderman. She's got a pretty good reputation of her own. I don't think either side here is stupid, or uncaring, or anything like that. Each thinks they can be the more effective administrator. Okay. Lay it out. We can vote. Plenty of people will vote for dumb reasons. Other people will vote for good reasons. Both Spencer and Jones will doubtless court voters of both sorts (within reason) because . . . well . . . every vote counts the same and they need every vote they can get. Can we stop it with the silly badmouthing?
There's plenty of room for substance. The travel could be a point of disagreement. The snow can be one. Policing. Courts. The jail. Economic development. The use of incentives. Streets planning. Trash collection. . . . There's real stuff to talk about. Let's maybe stick to that and stay away from the personal attacks? Maybe?
The more Auggie argues, the further I get from Jones. Quote this and I’ll donate $100 to the Spencer campaign.
Speaking of the actual platforms of the candidates, I looked at Cara's recently (https://caraspencer.com/platform) and I dunno it felt bland. Like improving trash pickup and roads through hiring initiatives, more transparency and overhauling the jail are basically it. I understand these are important issues but everything else just feels really cliche without much of a plan? Like yeah, revitalize downtown, make things better for the homeless, make the city better for business but how? Just don't see much of a vision here.
And there's policies that Jones has pursued that I'd like to know if Cara wants to continue or change or end, for example the $500/month payments to low-income families in SLPS and taking control of the Railway Exchange. I feel like my primary reason for voting for Tishaura at this point is that I don't know if Cara wants to continue these policies I actually like that Jones initiatited.
And there's policies that Jones has pursued that I'd like to know if Cara wants to continue or change or end, for example the $500/month payments to low-income families in SLPS and taking control of the Railway Exchange. I feel like my primary reason for voting for Tishaura at this point is that I don't know if Cara wants to continue these policies I actually like that Jones initiatited.
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^I don't call impounding the vehicles of those who drive recklessly or take over parking lots and intersections "bland".
It's common sense, but not bland. It seems like the most urbanist response to those who are not only "carbrained"--they are dangerous. And it begs the question as to why the current mayor didn't take this issue on more forcefully.
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/cara- ... s-driving/
It's common sense, but not bland. It seems like the most urbanist response to those who are not only "carbrained"--they are dangerous. And it begs the question as to why the current mayor didn't take this issue on more forcefully.
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/cara- ... s-driving/
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I think i have to just let the mods handle this one. You have no place on this forum if you’re going call people a disgrace.Auggie wrote:The only thing degrading the narrative are people making up sh*t in an effort to oust an objectively good mayor. This forum supposedly is supposed to be about making STL better, meanwhile it seems like more people want to actively make it worse by removing the mayor that has brought massive crime reductions, a great police chief, the best GDP Growth in decades, movement on some of downtown's biggest vacancies.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2025This doesn’t even address the point I was making. I wasn’t commenting on Slay’s performance as Mayor. I was making the point that the voters who you called stupid didn’t have real alternatives to Slay to vote for, save for a candidate who is currently in prison for bribery.Auggie wrote: Do you even have a clue what Slay was doing? The city's real GDP shrank by over 11%. The PD was literally running drugs.
Reed got caught for bribery, what Slay was doing is far far worse than bribery. And he probably took bribes in there too.
Slay was genuinely one of if not the worst mayor this city ever had. Whatever GOP opponent he had would have been better, 100%.
Please try to think before you post, rather than just spewing personal attacks across this forum. It’s degrading the narrative on this forum.
2013 was Slay vs McNeely. Somehow 15.5% of the city voted for the better candidate.....2009 was Slay vs Coleman. Once again 34.3% of the city votes for the better candidate. 2005 was Slay vs Marshall. Somehow 21.3% of the city voted for the better candidate. Reed literally never faced Slay in a mayoral election.
You are a disgrace for, once again, making sh*t up.
Lewis Reed ran and lost against Slay in 2013. What am I making up?
Ok that's a cool bill, like I hope that passes, but in my defense that was not included in her platform for mayor that I linked to.
2013 Mayoral Election was between Francis Slay and James McNeely.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2025I think i have to just let the mods handle this one. You have no place on this forum if you’re going call people a disgrace.Auggie wrote:The only thing degrading the narrative are people making up sh*t in an effort to oust an objectively good mayor. This forum supposedly is supposed to be about making STL better, meanwhile it seems like more people want to actively make it worse by removing the mayor that has brought massive crime reductions, a great police chief, the best GDP Growth in decades, movement on some of downtown's biggest vacancies.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2025This doesn’t even address the point I was making. I wasn’t commenting on Slay’s performance as Mayor. I was making the point that the voters who you called stupid didn’t have real alternatives to Slay to vote for, save for a candidate who is currently in prison for bribery.
Please try to think before you post, rather than just spewing personal attacks across this forum. It’s degrading the narrative on this forum.
2013 was Slay vs McNeely. Somehow 15.5% of the city voted for the better candidate.....2009 was Slay vs Coleman. Once again 34.3% of the city votes for the better candidate. 2005 was Slay vs Marshall. Somehow 21.3% of the city voted for the better candidate. Reed literally never faced Slay in a mayoral election.
You are a disgrace for, once again, making sh*t up.
Lewis Reed ran and lost against Slay in 2013. What am I making up?
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Lewis Reed ran against Slay in the Democratic primary in ‘13 and lost.Auggie wrote:2013 Mayoral Election was between Francis Slay and James McNeely.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2025I think i have to just let the mods handle this one. You have no place on this forum if you’re going call people a disgrace.Auggie wrote: The only thing degrading the narrative are people making up sh*t in an effort to oust an objectively good mayor. This forum supposedly is supposed to be about making STL better, meanwhile it seems like more people want to actively make it worse by removing the mayor that has brought massive crime reductions, a great police chief, the best GDP Growth in decades, movement on some of downtown's biggest vacancies.
2013 was Slay vs McNeely. Somehow 15.5% of the city voted for the better candidate.....2009 was Slay vs Coleman. Once again 34.3% of the city votes for the better candidate. 2005 was Slay vs Marshall. Somehow 21.3% of the city voted for the better candidate. Reed literally never faced Slay in a mayoral election.
You are a disgrace for, once again, making sh*t up.
Lewis Reed ran and lost against Slay in 2013. What am I making up?
Sounds like a Cara Spencer type bill. Would literally have a next to nothing impact on car violence since the vast majority of injuries and fatalities happen when normal speeders, reckless drivers, or even law abiding drivers hit people or have crashes.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2025^I don't call impounding the vehicles of those who drive recklessly or take over parking lots and intersections "bland".
It's common sense, but not bland. It seems like the most urbanist response to those who are not only "carbrained"--they are dangerous. And it begs the question as to why the current mayor didn't take this issue on more forcefully.
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/cara- ... s-driving/
No different than the "Assault Weapons Ban" when 95% of gun crime is committed with pistols. "We are upping police enforcing powers on this marginal thing that actually pretty rarely happens and overall is a small % of car related injuries."
And to add onto that, she waited until election season to propose the bill
.Thank you for the contribution to the Cara Spencer campaign for St. Louis Mayor!Auggie wrote:Womp wompaddxb2 wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2025The more Auggie argues, the further I get from Jones. Quote this and I’ll donate $100 to the Spencer campaign.
For anyone else who might be interested in matching my donation. Thanks auggie for the encouragement to get more involved in the upcoming election.
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/cara-spencer
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This is fun, for every donation to Spencer I’ll 2x it to Jones, so for every donations to Spencer you are putting her in a bigger hole.
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You admit you can't defend Jones awful response to the snowstorm so your only response is to throw more money to your wounded candidate.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 20, 2025This is fun, for every donation to Spencer I’ll 2x it to Jones, so for every donations to Spencer you are putting her in a bigger hole.
You can double my small donation to Spencer with a larger one for Jones but you can't double the votes of all of us pissed off at the embarrassing performance of our mayor.
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Streets commissioner sabotaging response is something that will probably come out soon.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Jan 20, 2025You admit you can't defend Jones awful response to the snowstorm so your only response is to throw more money to your wounded candidate.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 20, 2025This is fun, for every donation to Spencer I’ll 2x it to Jones, so for every donations to Spencer you are putting her in a bigger hole.
You can double my small donation to Spencer with a larger one for Jones but you can't double the votes of all of us pissed off at the embarrassing performance of our mayor.
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^So when a Jones appointee screws up it's just part of the "deep state" trying to bring down Queen T?
Bold strategy Cotton. Let's see how it plays out.
Bold strategy Cotton. Let's see how it plays out.
Why would the streets commissioner sabotage the response of the person who hired her?
They wouldn't. It sounds like damage control AKA taking one for the team.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jan 20, 2025Why would the streets commissioner sabotage the response of the person who hired her?
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The street commissioner is not the same position as the director of streets, the person the mayor hires and can fire. Streets commissioner cannot be fired by the mayor. And the current, Kent Flake has been in the role for a while and in charge of plowingaddxb2 wrote: ↑Jan 20, 2025Why would the streets commissioner sabotage the response of the person who hired her?
See my responses above. Maybe some of you should brush up on department positions and how they’re appointed and firedBaltimore Jack wrote: ↑Jan 20, 2025^So when a Jones appointee screws up it's just part of the "deep state" trying to bring down Queen T?
Bold strategy Cotton. Let's see how it plays out.
City departments are lead by a director, directors are appointed by the Mayor. Director of Streets is appointed by the mayor but sub areas like streets, traffic and refuse have their own commissioners. Mayor cannot fire those. Also if someone goes from commissioner to director, and another mayor comes in and hires a new director, the previous has a legal right to go back to a commissioner position.