Over/Under is open, Sen Thai is open, Burger 809 is open, Buddys Wine Bar is open, Sugarfire, Hot pizza cold beer, Hi-Pointe, San Market and Cafe, Rooster, Chris's, Ukraft (was packed for breakfast with German tourists)JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Dec 28, 2024Arch grounds are very busy today. Kiener busy too. Too bad Jack Patrick’s is about the only bar/restaurant east of Tucker that is open (other than BPV).
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Lots of places were open for breakfast and lunch I’m sure. And even more will be opening shortly. But at 2:30, there was hardly a place to wet your whistle on a busy Saturday.
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As we exited the covid-era and things started to normalize and more people started coming to Downtown for work, sporting events, concerts, conventions and other things which lead to increasingly more eyeballs on the streets, total crime in Downtown started to fall.
April 12-13. Big sports weekend in STL
KSDK will be moving to the Dogtown neighborhood later this year
1010 Market probably becoming unsustainable. They already were super low occupancy, losing KSDK will just push them even lower.
Good that the city at least retained them though.
Good that the city at least retained them though.
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1010 is not part of the ksdk building. They’re joint together but ksdk owns the 70,000 sq building they’re in and plan to sell it. Will be interesting to see if Goldman group would buy it to demo and put up a garage for ATT, although their latest plan is 3 floors under going and 4-8 floors above in the building for parkingAuggie wrote: ↑Jan 02, 20251010 Market probably becoming unsustainable. They already were super low occupancy, losing KSDK will just push them even lower.
Good that the city at least retained them though.
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Moving to Dogtown… interesting. Brings back the faded memory I have of Fox 2 being on Hampton.
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Local leadership wanted to stay. National didn’t. The current building needs alot of investmentChris Stritzel wrote: ↑Jan 02, 2025Moving to Dogtown… interesting. Brings back the faded memory I have of Fox 2 being on Hampton.
Interesting. Where in Dogtown ?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 02, 2025KSDK will be moving to the Dogtown neighborhood later this year
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I like the keeping garage local on site and not picking up another site to put a garage up, unless there’s a plan to also build upon it. Cant afford more parking acreagedbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 02, 20251010 is not part of the ksdk building. They’re joint together but ksdk owns the 70,000 sq building they’re in and plan to sell it. Will be interesting to see if Goldman group would buy it to demo and put up a garage for ATT, although their latest plan is 3 floors under going and 4-8 floors above in the building for parkingAuggie wrote: ↑Jan 02, 20251010 Market probably becoming unsustainable. They already were super low occupancy, losing KSDK will just push them even lower.
Good that the city at least retained them though.
I was hoping Grand Center since they were leaving downtown.Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Jan 02, 2025Moving to Dogtown… interesting. Brings back the faded memory I have of Fox 2 being on Hampton.
Couldn't garner a guess other than new infill apartment building where fields foods used to be located. Not sure if that space would work.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 02, 2025^ the obvious place ….
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Next to 64. I’m fine with the move; the reasoning makes sense from talking to people on the inside. Although staff was pretty split. A lot of townhalls internally
Thanks. That spot makes sense. I always forget it's Dogtown.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 02, 2025Next to 64. Highlands. I’m fine with the move; the reasoning makes sense from talking to people on the inside. Although staff was pretty split. A lot of townhalls internally
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Seems like BPV would have been a great spot. Do the Cardinals and Cordish even try?
Anyone know 1010s occupancy rate?
Anyone know 1010s occupancy rate?
It’s so insane that we tore down at least half of our downtown to build parking facilities demanded by businesses and those same businesses are now leaving because those parking facilities aren’t attached to the office buildings. JFC St. Louisans have to be fattest, laziest people in the country if they can’t walk two ***** blocks to their parking garage.
Placating these people will never fix downtown. Downtown is better off trying to attract a different kind of person.
Placating these people will never fix downtown. Downtown is better off trying to attract a different kind of person.
Apparently the building they are in is 1000 Market not 1010 Market. They're seperate buildings.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 02, 2025It’s so insane that we tore down at least half of our downtown to build parking facilities demanded by businesses and those same businesses are now leaving because those parking facilities aren’t attached to the office buildings. JFC St. Louisans have to be fattest, laziest people in the country if they can’t walk two ***** blocks to their parking garage.
Placating these people will never fix downtown. Downtown is better off trying to attract a different kind of person.
1010 Market's occupancy rate from comparing how much is for lease vs the building size is around 40%. So very bad.
1000 Market is 70,000 SF and will be totally vacant from what I understand. They haven't announced how much space they're taking at their new location, but I wouldn't doubt it'll be less. I don't think a news station like this would be the best fit at BPV. Would much prefer TC to be the primary tenant there.
I tend to agree with what DB said on Reddit, would be a good option for the 909 Chestnut owners to buy it and build a parking garage for it. Ideally this would be built to a more modern standard with more thought than the stadium garages.
I've always read that parking was one of if not the largest issue with that building.
While we do have too much parking, parking done correctly is not really that big of a deal. See the MX garage. The issue is that we have done parking really really bad for a long time....massive garage only garages or extremely ugly garages with retail.
I've always read that parking was one of if not the largest issue with that building.
While we do have too much parking, parking done correctly is not really that big of a deal. See the MX garage. The issue is that we have done parking really really bad for a long time....massive garage only garages or extremely ugly garages with retail.
1000/1010 Market was designed by Edward Larrabee Barnes, an internationally acclaimed Modernist architect.
I realize that a purpose-built television production facility could be difficult to redevelop, but I would hate to see this building torn down. St. Louis has precious few modern buildings designed by important architects; we've got to preserve those we have.
I realize that a purpose-built television production facility could be difficult to redevelop, but I would hate to see this building torn down. St. Louis has precious few modern buildings designed by important architects; we've got to preserve those we have.
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I just really struggle with parking being an issue with any of these buildings when we have empty parking garages everywhere. We also have 3 that need to be condemned. We also have surface parking everywhere. 27% of downtown (defined by particular source below) is parking. That’s utterly ridiculous
https://parkingreform.org/resources/parking-lot-map/
Now I do agree with the comment above, parking garages like MX or BPV are not so bad - parking is necessary. Parking garages like Keiner, Stadium, the one on pine next to arch, 6th/Locust, list goes on, are unacceptable.
We can add parking garages below new construction - great way to do it. But there should not be a single standalone garage built in downtown StL again
https://parkingreform.org/resources/parking-lot-map/
Now I do agree with the comment above, parking garages like MX or BPV are not so bad - parking is necessary. Parking garages like Keiner, Stadium, the one on pine next to arch, 6th/Locust, list goes on, are unacceptable.
We can add parking garages below new construction - great way to do it. But there should not be a single standalone garage built in downtown StL again
My thoughts is 909 Chestnut has so much space for the reality of a low demand area that repurposing additional parking within the building itself makes much more sense. The cost to secure and build another garage when you could gut & charge the parking fee add on within 909 seems much more viable.Auggie wrote: ↑Jan 03, 2025I tend to agree with what DB said on Reddit, would be a good option for the 909 Chestnut owners to buy it and build a parking garage for it. Ideally this would be built to a more modern standard with more thought than the stadium garages.
I've always read that parking was one of if not the largest issue with that building.
I'm still at the believe that 10-15 floors of 909 Chestnut would make for a great data center - lease/revenue generator and still have minimal long term impact considering the time it will take to fill the Railway Exchange. Chemical Building and a few other lightly filled spaces downtown. Need some creativity on how to lease space
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It would’ve been cooler to stay downtown and have a street level window for the station like you see in many downtowns.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 02, 2025Next to 64. I’m fine with the move; the reasoning makes sense from talking to people on the inside. Although staff was pretty split. A lot of townhalls internally
KMOV, now KDSK. Feels like our news stations hate our downtown. That’s the one thing that had been loyal to staying downtown now that’s gone. Other cities have gotten that commitment from their stations.
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You’re correct. They hate our downtown.
Remember how excited people were to shut down the NLEC? Former DT residents I’ve spoken to said it made the situation on the street much worse.
Remember how excited people were to shut down the NLEC? Former DT residents I’ve spoken to said it made the situation on the street much worse.