Here we go. It can never be “we just want a new location.” It’s the “our cars get broken into, we get robbed and almost shot.” Im just not sure about the honesty with these companies.
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Here we go. It can never be “we just want a new location.” It’s the “our cars get broken into, we get robbed and almost shot.” Im just not sure about the honesty with these companies.
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Can he not tell us because none?
I don't recall ever hearing about armed robberies or gun hold ups here. Feel like that would have made the news. Maybe on Channel 5?
I don't recall ever hearing about armed robberies or gun hold ups here. Feel like that would have made the news. Maybe on Channel 5?
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There has been no KSDK employee robbed or held at gun point at any time in the 3 years my friend has worked there
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That's what I figured. Seems like their PR person is trying to use the common narrative to redirect blame for their departure. I looked at the crime map and there is minimal activity since July in the vicinity of their building.
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That’s just ludicrous and exaggeration at its finest. They are trying to paint downtown as the most dangerous place in America. Downtown isn’t anymore dangerous than going out into the redneck woodlands. There’s an excuse for everything it’s always downtown. The chances of anyone harassing you are low it’s always let’s join the bandwagon there’ll be a time when downtown is the place to be too bad these fools decided to check out. If they think downtown is dangerous then they should try going on to the New York subway where people are being pushed into moving trains and being set on fire.
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If the lord that made the moon and the starsdelmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑Jan 03, 2025
Would have meant for me and you to have cars
He’d have seen that we was all born with a parking space
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Today was a perfect example of what holds our downtown back, and it’s our own community doing it to ourselves. Downtown may not be in an economic “doom loop” like that one bogus article from early 2024 but we are in a perception doom loop. All I’ve seen today is commentary across social media and stories about crime driving out KDSK. So now, everyone has read all day about how bad crime is downtown and how nobody can do anything there anymore. Which will only make less people visit downtown, less businesses and corporations will believe they can draw employees or customers downtown, and we will have less activity, which then will make more people say it’s dead and dangerous.
I hope the sector of the business community and our own residents are happy that they’ve put downtown in a difficult comeback situation. While other cities have embraced downtowns since COVID hurt them all, we have put years of damage on ours. Shame on our business leaders for promulgating that downtown is too unsafe to work, visit or live, and shame on the too many residents who buy every bit of it.
Disappointed with the discourse today
I hope the sector of the business community and our own residents are happy that they’ve put downtown in a difficult comeback situation. While other cities have embraced downtowns since COVID hurt them all, we have put years of damage on ours. Shame on our business leaders for promulgating that downtown is too unsafe to work, visit or live, and shame on the too many residents who buy every bit of it.
Disappointed with the discourse today
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I would live downtown in a heartbeat. Have before and would/will do it again. But the businesses have to be the leaders. Some Principal, President, CEO somewhere has to have the cahones to say we're all in. Loudly.
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I would live downtown in a heartbeat. Have before and would/will do it again. But the businesses have to be the leaders. Some Principal, President, CEO somewhere has to have the cahones to say we're all in. Loudly.
Where is our billionaire?
https://archive.ph/CUXPC
Where is our billionaire?
https://archive.ph/CUXPC
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Good thing these folks didn’t read banker, long and citizen tweets and just had a great time
"Visitors have good time in St. Louis"
Must be fake news, lol. Probably sponsored content paid for by the Jones dark money PAC. <Some other tin foil hat theory>
Must be fake news, lol. Probably sponsored content paid for by the Jones dark money PAC. <Some other tin foil hat theory>
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It’s unfortunate that Imo’s is everyone’s introduction to StL style pizza. It’s not haute cuisine but most of the bars around town have better StL Pizza than Imo’s
By Nathan Rubbelke – Reporter, St. Louis Business Journal
Jan 6, 2025
There was progress in 2024 towards finding solutions to some of the biggest vacancies in downtown St. Louis. However, much work remains in redevelopment, with 2025 poised to be a big year in seeing if plans advance. That could be critical for a downtown neighborhood that continues to struggle with large office vacancy, with more business exits than entrants and an office vacancy rate of 26.8%.
Civic leaders remain hopeful that solving some of downtown’s largest vacancies can help restore the city’s central business district. Here’s a look at four major downtown vacancies and what could lie ahead in 2025 for them.
Railway Exchange Building tour on June 18, 2018 in St. Louis, Missouri. Photo by Jeff Curry
Jeff Curry
Railway Exchange
The city of St. Louis has moved to gain control of the 22-story Railway Exchange Building, with a state-court judge in November saying the city could move to condemn and take possession of the vacant Railway Exchange Building downtown. The city hopes to acquire the building in early 2025 and position it for redevelopment.
The city is currently awaiting a decision from a group of commissioners on how much it should pay for the parcels in the eminent domain case, which includes the Railway Exchange Building and its adjacent parking lot. The city has proposed the properties are worth $5.3 million, but entities with interest in them contend they are worth more than double that figure. Richardson said Tuesday the city hopes to have the parking garage demolished and a developer selected for the Railway Exchange Building by summer 2025.
- THE STORY SO FAR: The Railway Exchange Building: How we got here and what may come next
The 28-story Millennium Hotel, at 200 South Fourth St., has been closed since 2014.
Dilip Vishwanat | SLBJ
Millennium Hotel
Gateway Arch Park Foundation, which serves as the conservancy for the nearby Arch grounds and surrounding areas, has the former hotel property under contract and is seeking development proposals for the site. The 4.2-acre site, 200 S. Fourth St., includes two towers and has been vacant since 2014. Development proposals for the property are due Jan. 13, with evaluation of the submissions to take place in February and March.
A redevelopment plan crafted for the former Millennium Hotel aims for the site to create “stronger connections to other downtown assets, complementary uses to the Gateway Arch National Park, and a vibrant mix of uses,” according to the RFP. The redevelopment plan allows for demolition of the existing hotel buildings, but does not require it, and the RFP says the foundation will consider proposals that call for either demolition or reuse of the buildings.
- FROM 2024: Nonprofit eyed Millennium Hotel for years
Bob Millstone of St. Louis development firm The Millstone Company in 2024 became a new partner on the development team of Gateway South. Here he stands in front of the former Crunden-Martin manufacturing complex.
Dilip Vishwanat | SLBJ
Gateway South
The $1.2 billion project, spearheaded by Good Developments Group, wants to bring a new mixed-use, sustainable neighborhood in a historically underutilized industrial area south of the Gateway Arch. It would involve transforming the Crunden-Martin factory complex at 760 S. Second St. into an incubator for ideas on producing modular construction parts for cheaper and more efficient homebuilding. The developer in 2024 began marketing for office and industrial tenants, but construction has yet to begin.
The 100-acre master-planned project has a goal of being an innovation district for the construction and design sectors. The developers told the Business Journal in May 2024 they reached key financing and development milestones, including a loan from Saint Louis Bank, for a $200 million first phase
- FROM 2024: New partner partner of $1.2B project overcame initial skepticism
The AT&T tower in downtown St. Louis, seen from Citygarden.
Gloria Lloyd
AT&T Tower
The 44-story, former AT&T Tower, 909 Chestnut St., was purchased in April by an entity tied to Boston-based Goldman Group, which has yet to publicly discuss whether it has plans for the building.
The downtown tower, the largest office building in Missouri at 1.46 million square feet, has been vacant since 2017, when its sole tenant, AT&T, moved its employees to a separate building it owned nearby. For years, various developers had the building under contract, but backed out of the sale before purchasing.
A bill that would give tax credit for office-to-residential conversion projects has bi-partisan support in Jefferson City. It's likely that AT&T Tower and its redevelopment possibilities will play a role in that debate.
- FROM 2024: AT&T sales price lower than last transaction
The Municipal Courts Building in downtown St. Louis, 1320 Market St.
Flickr user Reading Tom. Used under https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/
Municipal Courts Building
The city of St. Louis is seeking redevelopment proposals for the vacant Municipal Courts building in Downtown West. The former courts building, 1320 Market St., has been vacant since the facility closed in 2001. Developer Vertical Realty Advisors previously had plans to renovate the facility into a hotel, but the $60 million project has stalled, with the city saying title to the property has reverted to the city. Redevelopment proposals are due Jan. 8.
It's unclear who plans to submit proposals for the vacant property. Tours of the building in November included representatives from Alterra Worldwide, who is redeveloping the massive Jefferson Arms in Downtown West, and Steve Smith's New + Found, which has completed other projects downtown and spearheaded City Foundry in Midtown. The developers did not respond when asked if they plan to submit redevelopment proposals for the Municipal Courts Building.
FROM 2024: St. Louis wants vacant courthouse redone, developer says he still owns it
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2025 will be the swing year for downtown in my opinion. We will either have a super optimistic view or a very pessimistic one. If we see proposals in the case of Railway, AT&T Municipal Courts and Millenium get off the ground, along with Gateway South and BPV 3 moving forward, there would be no reason to be anything but optimistic. But I think all of these having some sort of positive movement in 2025 is necessary if we are going to see drastic improvement by 2030.
Adding some buildings/lots that things need to move forward for hope of proposals by 2026 in downtown proper -
1) Chemical Building
2) 316 N Tucker Parking Garage
3) Block bounded by Tucker, 11th, Locust, St. Charles
4) Wedge Block bounded by 9th and Spruce
5) 10th and Pine Lot adjacent to Mark Twain
6) 11th and Olive adjacent to Le Meridien (Moxy hotel was once proposed here)
Adding some buildings/lots that things need to move forward for hope of proposals by 2026 in downtown proper -
1) Chemical Building
2) 316 N Tucker Parking Garage
3) Block bounded by Tucker, 11th, Locust, St. Charles
4) Wedge Block bounded by 9th and Spruce
5) 10th and Pine Lot adjacent to Mark Twain
6) 11th and Olive adjacent to Le Meridien (Moxy hotel was once proposed here)
Chemical Building is crucial. Hopefully someone capable moves forward with it soon.delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑Jan 06, 20252025 will be the swing year for downtown in my opinion. We will either have a super optimistic view or a very pessimistic one. If we see proposals in the case of Railway, AT&T Municipal Courts and Millenium get off the ground, along with Gateway South and BPV 3 moving forward, there would be no reason to be anything but optimistic. But I think all of these having some sort of positive movement in 2025 is necessary if we are going to see drastic improvement by 2030.
Adding some buildings/lots that things need to move forward for hope of proposals by 2026 in downtown proper -
1) Chemical Building
2) 316 N Tucker Parking Garage
3) Block bounded by Tucker, 11th, Locust, St. Charles
4) Wedge Block bounded by 9th and Spruce
5) 10th and Pine Lot adjacent to Mark Twain
6) 11th and Olive adjacent to Le Meridien (Moxy hotel was once proposed here)
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The Hotel St. Louis people have to be dying for their neighbors to get redeveloped. Olive is an awesome looking street zoomed out but not so much as you actually walk it. We have allowed two of our most significant architectural gems on that street be on the brink of destruction.STLAPTS wrote: ↑Jan 06, 2025Chemical Building is crucial. Hopefully someone capable moves forward with it soon.delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑Jan 06, 20252025 will be the swing year for downtown in my opinion. We will either have a super optimistic view or a very pessimistic one. If we see proposals in the case of Railway, AT&T Municipal Courts and Millenium get off the ground, along with Gateway South and BPV 3 moving forward, there would be no reason to be anything but optimistic. But I think all of these having some sort of positive movement in 2025 is necessary if we are going to see drastic improvement by 2030.
Adding some buildings/lots that things need to move forward for hope of proposals by 2026 in downtown proper -
1) Chemical Building
2) 316 N Tucker Parking Garage
3) Block bounded by Tucker, 11th, Locust, St. Charles
4) Wedge Block bounded by 9th and Spruce
5) 10th and Pine Lot adjacent to Mark Twain
6) 11th and Olive adjacent to Le Meridien (Moxy hotel was once proposed here)
I think we are likely to see actual movement on 2 of the major projects this year. If I had to bet, it would be BPV and RWX.
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The 1255 census tract that encompasses most of Downtown West topped 10,000 ppl./sq.mi. in the 2023 (2019-2023) 5 yr. ACS. (1 of 15 tracts in the city above the density level. For comparison, Indy only has 2, with both of those downtown.) The tract grew 14% between the 2018 and 2023 ACS periods.
The tract for Downtown (1256) grew at a slower pace of 6%. It's density is 6,500pp./sq.mi. and has a higher percentage of Park and other land uses that make residential density more challenging. Need about 3,000 more residents east of Tucker to reach the 10k density level.
The tract for Downtown (1256) grew at a slower pace of 6%. It's density is 6,500pp./sq.mi. and has a higher percentage of Park and other land uses that make residential density more challenging. Need about 3,000 more residents east of Tucker to reach the 10k density level.
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Ballpark Village is likely a given at this point. Railway Exchange we might see some movement on, but nothing formal until next year. I expect the Chemical Building will return by the Fall with the proposal being for apartments.Auggie wrote: ↑Jan 06, 2025I think we are likely to see actual movement on 2 of the major projects this year. If I had to bet, it would be BPV and RWX.
Do you have link ? I am curious what other tracts hit 10k plus.STLrainbow wrote: ↑Jan 07, 2025The 1255 census tract that encompasses most of Downtown West topped 10,000 ppl./sq.mi. in the 2023 (2019-2023) 5 yr. ACS. (1 of 15 tracts in the city above the density level. For comparison, Indy only has 2, with both of those downtown.) The tract grew 14% between the 2018 and 2023 ACS periods.
The tract for Downtown (1256) grew at a slower pace of 6%. It's density is 6,500pp./sq.mi. and has a higher percentage of Park and other land uses that make residential density more challenging. Need about 3,000 more residents east of Tucker to reach the 10k density level.
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If you have a biz journal sub you should just pay it to me since ive given you more info on all of these than this drivelTRUESONJB wrote: ↑Jan 06, 2025
By Nathan Rubbelke – Reporter, St. Louis Business Journal
Jan 6, 2025
There was progress in 2024 towards finding solutions to some of the biggest vacancies in downtown St. Louis. However, much work remains in redevelopment, with 2025 poised to be a big year in seeing if plans advance. That could be critical for a downtown neighborhood that continues to struggle with large office vacancy, with more business exits than entrants and an office vacancy rate of 26.8%.
Civic leaders remain hopeful that solving some of downtown’s largest vacancies can help restore the city’s central business district. Here’s a look at four major downtown vacancies and what could lie ahead in 2025 for them.
Railway Exchange Building tour on June 18, 2018 in St. Louis, Missouri. Photo by Jeff Curry
Jeff Curry
Railway Exchange
The city of St. Louis has moved to gain control of the 22-story Railway Exchange Building, with a state-court judge in November saying the city could move to condemn and take possession of the vacant Railway Exchange Building downtown. The city hopes to acquire the building in early 2025 and position it for redevelopment.
The city is currently awaiting a decision from a group of commissioners on how much it should pay for the parcels in the eminent domain case, which includes the Railway Exchange Building and its adjacent parking lot. The city has proposed the properties are worth $5.3 million, but entities with interest in them contend they are worth more than double that figure. Richardson said Tuesday the city hopes to have the parking garage demolished and a developer selected for the Railway Exchange Building by summer 2025.
- THE STORY SO FAR: The Railway Exchange Building: How we got here and what may come next
The 28-story Millennium Hotel, at 200 South Fourth St., has been closed since 2014.
Dilip Vishwanat | SLBJ
Millennium Hotel
Gateway Arch Park Foundation, which serves as the conservancy for the nearby Arch grounds and surrounding areas, has the former hotel property under contract and is seeking development proposals for the site. The 4.2-acre site, 200 S. Fourth St., includes two towers and has been vacant since 2014. Development proposals for the property are due Jan. 13, with evaluation of the submissions to take place in February and March.
A redevelopment plan crafted for the former Millennium Hotel aims for the site to create “stronger connections to other downtown assets, complementary uses to the Gateway Arch National Park, and a vibrant mix of uses,” according to the RFP. The redevelopment plan allows for demolition of the existing hotel buildings, but does not require it, and the RFP says the foundation will consider proposals that call for either demolition or reuse of the buildings.
- FROM 2024: Nonprofit eyed Millennium Hotel for years
Bob Millstone of St. Louis development firm The Millstone Company in 2024 became a new partner on the development team of Gateway South. Here he stands in front of the former Crunden-Martin manufacturing complex.
Dilip Vishwanat | SLBJ
Gateway South
The $1.2 billion project, spearheaded by Good Developments Group, wants to bring a new mixed-use, sustainable neighborhood in a historically underutilized industrial area south of the Gateway Arch. It would involve transforming the Crunden-Martin factory complex at 760 S. Second St. into an incubator for ideas on producing modular construction parts for cheaper and more efficient homebuilding. The developer in 2024 began marketing for office and industrial tenants, but construction has yet to begin.
The 100-acre master-planned project has a goal of being an innovation district for the construction and design sectors. The developers told the Business Journal in May 2024 they reached key financing and development milestones, including a loan from Saint Louis Bank, for a $200 million first phase
- FROM 2024: New partner partner of $1.2B project overcame initial skepticism
The AT&T tower in downtown St. Louis, seen from Citygarden.
Gloria Lloyd
AT&T Tower
The 44-story, former AT&T Tower, 909 Chestnut St., was purchased in April by an entity tied to Boston-based Goldman Group, which has yet to publicly discuss whether it has plans for the building.
The downtown tower, the largest office building in Missouri at 1.46 million square feet, has been vacant since 2017, when its sole tenant, AT&T, moved its employees to a separate building it owned nearby. For years, various developers had the building under contract, but backed out of the sale before purchasing.
A bill that would give tax credit for office-to-residential conversion projects has bi-partisan support in Jefferson City. It's likely that AT&T Tower and its redevelopment possibilities will play a role in that debate.
- FROM 2024: AT&T sales price lower than last transaction
The Municipal Courts Building in downtown St. Louis, 1320 Market St.
Flickr user Reading Tom. Used under https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/
Municipal Courts Building
The city of St. Louis is seeking redevelopment proposals for the vacant Municipal Courts building in Downtown West. The former courts building, 1320 Market St., has been vacant since the facility closed in 2001. Developer Vertical Realty Advisors previously had plans to renovate the facility into a hotel, but the $60 million project has stalled, with the city saying title to the property has reverted to the city. Redevelopment proposals are due Jan. 8.
It's unclear who plans to submit proposals for the vacant property. Tours of the building in November included representatives from Alterra Worldwide, who is redeveloping the massive Jefferson Arms in Downtown West, and Steve Smith's New + Found, which has completed other projects downtown and spearheaded City Foundry in Midtown. The developers did not respond when asked if they plan to submit redevelopment proposals for the Municipal Courts Building.
FROM 2024: St. Louis wants vacant courthouse redone, developer says he still owns it