urbanSTL

I wonder how stoned/drunk/high Rasool Al Janabi was when this happened?

I wonder what would have happened if he had taken the bus.

Kudos to Rasool’s family though for sending him back after he fled in his no license plate car.

As for the whole “cars are bad” thing, you do realize that Ted Drewes has been car-centric for over 80 years, correct? Why are tragic accidents happening more frequently last few years?


Hmmmmm

I'd be interested in historic crash data along there if you can find them.

Broadly the carnage isn't novel.

“This is not something that could have been prevented. At least that’s what the investigation is showing us right now,” he said.

“This is something that’s never happened before here. You know, we’ve been here all these years, and we didn’t expect anything like that to happen, because it hadn’t happened,” Travis Dillion, co-owner of Ted Drewes, said. “We’ve had accidents out on the street here, but nothing that came off the street and hit somebody. So, that’s the tragedy of it all.”

gosh, how could we possibly predict that something that happens ALL THE F*CKING TIME might happen here since, ya know, nobody had been killed by a driver in EXACTLY this fashion at this location before.

what a stupid-ass, car-f*cking country (and city).

There are number of issues that I have with this 
I don't know the finances of it but why if any taxpayer money going in for the planned crosswalk?
Are city taxes being used to benefit this one specific business ?
If so I am  sure there are numerous other businesses that would benefit from this special attention!
Is Ted Drewes Inc putting any money into this crosswalk ?
I thought it sadly laughable that a local TV station was highlighting all the safety measures cameras cross walk etc etc 
The list being  superimposed with the background of people standing at Ted Drewes and milling around and the only deterrent separating patrons  from a very active vehicular street are some spindly metal temp gates
What about cement blocks that are put there in place by forklift??
How about the nuclear option ? Move the whole building down the street to where the former Save-A-Lot lot was it's huge but no that would change tradition. What the tradition of endangering people?

urban_dilettante wrote: ↑

Dec 24, 2024

“This is not something that could have been prevented. At least that’s what the investigation is showing us right now,” he said.

“This is something that’s never happened before here. You know, we’ve been here all these years, and we didn’t expect anything like that to happen, because it hadn’t happened,” Travis Dillion, co-owner of Ted Drewes, said. “We’ve had accidents out on the street here, but nothing that came off the street and hit somebody. So, that’s the tragedy of it all.”

gosh, how could we possibly predict that something that happens ALL THE F*CKING TIME might happen here since, ya know, nobody had been killed by a driver in EXACTLY this fashion at this location before.

what a stupid-ass, car-f*cking country (and city).

If you’re this emotional about cars, you need to save a few dollars and move out of STL. NYC, Boston, DC, Chicago or SF are calling you. You can do it!

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Dec 23, 2024

Kudos to Rasool’s family though for sending him back after he fled in his no license plate car.

As for the whole “cars are bad” thing, you do realize that Ted Drewes has been car-centric for over 80 years, correct? Why are tragic accidents happening more frequently last few years?


Hmmmmm

I don't know the details to this specific incident but have seen people walking across the road there so many times. It's a pretty wide road and people seem to act like the area is a big parking lot because Ted Drews is somewhat of a destination. 

All the quotes about this being “unavoidable” and “unexpected” are so ***** stupid.

Amen

Second the Jersey barriers.  Remove the ones that are downtown (if any are left).

KSDK - He saved lives as a car plowed into 5 people at Ted Drewes. Now, his family needs help paying medical expenses

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... d6a209cc3d

I think they should get rid of the parking lot entrances from Chippewa and make them accessible from the alley only. Then install safety barriers of whatever kind across the entire front of the property. 

The Fetivus reddit post is full of car-related grievances, lol. So great previous generations chose car dependency for us.

Here is a plan:
Vietnam fines reckless drivers half the average annual salary
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/vietnam-fines-reckless-drivers-half-the-average-annual-salary/104800898

^In spite of the headline they're traffic fatality rate is pretty similar to ours and dropping fairly quickly thanks to increasingly strict laws. (There was a bit of a small family fight about one of them last Tet.) Vietnamese traffic is no joke, but only once can I recall feeling so endangered on Vietnamese roads as I feel here quite regularly. People do all kinds of nutty, but speeds are much much much lower, and vehicles are generally smaller. (Much smaller given the scooters.)

They instituted helmet laws and maximum occupancy laws on scooters maybe fifteen or twenty years ago. (Two people to a bike now, though small kids don't count. The picture on the bridge is likely old. People do violate the law, but not often in my experience. Though I've mostly been in the south, so maybe things are different in the north.) They recently instituted quite strict DWI laws. (Which she did talk about in the article. Which I confess, I only skimmed. Seems solid, but it makes me sad that we're not going this Tet.)

And yes, there are family stories involving the wrong side of some of that. (Dad has a profound limp from a smashed up knee he destroyed street racing as a teenager many many years ago, for instance.) Anyway, it'd be such a great place to bike if traffic were a little less crazy. And it'd be generally more pleasant if you got rid of all the two stroke exhaust, honking, and constant vehicle noise. Mind you, I love it anyway. And I can generally sleep through the worst it can throw at me now, but it took a while. I'm half tempted to post my (very old) scooterback video of Saigon traffic. (But I'll spare you for now. It really needs a remaster.) Instead, I'll just chuck up a traffic picture:

More than a million people die on roads every year. Meet the man determined to prevent them
While the US is lagging behind Europe and Australia in improving road safety, there is increasingly a "safe-systems approach" inspired by strategies such as Vision Zero, says Bruce Hamilton, executive director of the Roadway Safety Foundation, a road safety charity that is one of two successor organizations from the ASF. "We have more than four million miles (6.4 million km) of roads here in the US, so we have a lot of work to do," he says. He says the car-centric approach to road safety that dominated car, city and street design for decades and the focus on regulating driver behavior is changing in favor of redesigning and upgrading road infrastructure.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240517-vision-zero-how-europe-cut-the-number-of-people-dying-on-its-roads

Was she walking in the street because the sidewalks are a block of ice?

KSDK - Car fatally strikes woman pushing stroller; baby critically injured

https://www.ksdk.com/article/sports/fat ... bcf7e85973

suspend drivers license?
No problem now you can keep driving
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/cars/news-blog/proposed-legislation-in-washington-state-would-let-drivers-with-suspended-licenses-44511712

You can drive on a suspended license everywhere. Just turn the key, and it'll go.