I think abortion rights may play a big role in where young women want to live/work post college. That is a demographic that does not want their rights taken away, and cities like Dallas, Austin, and Houston may suffer. Thankfully, Missouri has that issue settled and can start to use it as a value-add.
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Abortion access will be pretty meaningful for Missouri migration IMO. Perhaps it will be further impacted by Kehoe's plans for getting rid of income tax, who knows. Unfortunately we will still suck on LGBTQ rights which still drives good people away
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it's hardly settled. the troglodytes in Jeff City have already vowed to overturn it. young women—and reasonable people in general—aren't going to flock to a place where human rights are constantly under attack by religious thugs.legendrey wrote: ↑Nov 12, 2024Thankfully, Missouri has that issue settled and can start to use it as a value-add.
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Not sure about it, migration trends within the US strongly favor Republican states in the South. Just look at Illinois.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Nov 13, 2024it's hardly settled. the troglodytes in Jeff City have already vowed to overturn it. young women—and reasonable people in general—aren't going to flock to a place where human rights are constantly under attack by religious thugs.legendrey wrote: ↑Nov 12, 2024Thankfully, Missouri has that issue settled and can start to use it as a value-add.
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Are Louisiana and Mississippi growing? I think it’s a little bit more complex than that. Also blue cities and metros in southern states are growing. I don’t see people clogging up the highways to rural GeorgiaRick Prieto wrote: ↑Nov 14, 2024Not sure about it, migration trends within the US strongly favor Republican states in the South. Just look at Illinois.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Nov 13, 2024it's hardly settled. the troglodytes in Jeff City have already vowed to overturn it. young women—and reasonable people in general—aren't going to flock to a place where human rights are constantly under attack by religious thugs.legendrey wrote: ↑Nov 12, 2024Thankfully, Missouri has that issue settled and can start to use it as a value-add.
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I'm talking about the trend on the state level. For the purpose of my argument it doesn't matter if the increase in population is centered in cities because abortion restrictions are defined at the state level. Of course, not all Republican states are growing, and not all Democratic states have decreasing populations that's why I said there was a trend, not a rule. The point was is that migration trends don't support the idea that people will "flock" to states with abortion access, as you said reasons to move are complex.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 14, 2024Are Louisiana and Mississippi growing? I think it’s a little bit more complex than that. Also blue cities and metros in southern states are growing. I don’t see people clogging up the highways to rural GeorgiaRick Prieto wrote: ↑Nov 14, 2024Not sure about it, migration trends within the US strongly favor Republican states in the South. Just look at Illinois.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Nov 13, 2024it's hardly settled. the troglodytes in Jeff City have already vowed to overturn it. young women—and reasonable people in general—aren't going to flock to a place where human rights are constantly under attack by religious thugs.
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Nothing til next year. Contractors are still doing preliminary work and clean up
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I spoke with a developer last week, who is in the know downtown. He did not express much confidence in the current owner(s) of this property. He said they are from out of town and are not used to taking on a project of this magnitude. He said he would predict this building will be back on the market in a few years. Whether or not this opinion is accurate or relevant, I have no clue. Just passing along what he told me. Needless to say, I was disappointed to hear this. I hope he is wrong.
PS_ For the sake of not getting too deep into the weeds on this I am not going to discuss who said this. Again, just passing along his opinion.
PS_ For the sake of not getting too deep into the weeds on this I am not going to discuss who said this. Again, just passing along his opinion.
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He is definitely 100% wrong. what he expressed is common thought about this project from other developers in the area. I think it's more of reflection of their own failings to tackle this building.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑Dec 23, 2024I spoke with a developer last week, who is in the know downtown. He did not express much confidence in the current owner(s) of this property. He said they are from out of town and are not used to taking on a project of this magnitude. He said he would predict this building will be back on the market in a few years. Whether or not this opinion is accurate or relevant, I have no clue. Just passing along what he told me. Needless to say, I was disappointed to hear this. I hope he is wrong.
PS_ For the sake of not getting too deep into the weeds on this I am not going to discuss who said this. Again, just passing along his opinion.
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That makes me feel a bit better. I hope you are right!dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Dec 23, 2024He is definitely 100% wrong. what he expressed is common thought about this project from other developers in the area. I think it's more of reflection of their own failings to tackle this building.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑Dec 23, 2024I spoke with a developer last week, who is in the know downtown. He did not express much confidence in the current owner(s) of this property. He said they are from out of town and are not used to taking on a project of this magnitude. He said he would predict this building will be back on the market in a few years. Whether or not this opinion is accurate or relevant, I have no clue. Just passing along what he told me. Needless to say, I was disappointed to hear this. I hope he is wrong.
PS_ For the sake of not getting too deep into the weeds on this I am not going to discuss who said this. Again, just passing along his opinion.
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Are there wheels in motion beyond a photo with an alderman? Are they confident about financing? A tenant for the office portion?
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I got a basic info sheet that outlines the plan but not sharing it yet. Cost should be finalized by March.
Some details
625+ apartments
80,000 sq of retail on floors 1-3 and also B1-3
100,000 sq of amenities
Largest automated guided vehicle parking system in the world (floors 4-14 floors)
Rooftop pool and restaurant/bar
625+ apartments
80,000 sq of retail on floors 1-3 and also B1-3
100,000 sq of amenities
Largest automated guided vehicle parking system in the world (floors 4-14 floors)
Rooftop pool and restaurant/bar
Are they looking at rebuilding the base to make it fit with the streets more? And what the hell retail is gonna take up 80k sf?
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Hopefully a few national chains Yardhouse, etc.
Let's see what they cook up.
Let's see what they cook up.
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And 100% property tax abatement for 100 years.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 22, 2025Some details
625+ apartments
80,000 sq of retail on floors 1-3 and also B1-3
100,000 sq of amenities
Largest automated guided vehicle parking system in the world (floors 4-14 floors)
Rooftop pool and restaurant/bar
Is the plan for Parking across Pine dead?
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I honestly can’t wait to see this building lit up at night will make our downtown look far more alive & appealing
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“Largest automated guided vehicle parking system in the world (floors 4-14 floors)”dbInSouthCity wrote:Some details
625+ apartments
80,000 sq of retail on floors 1-3 and also B1-3
100,000 sq of amenities
Largest automated guided vehicle parking system in the world (floors 4-14 floors)
Rooftop pool and restaurant/bar
Like in ‘you drive on a platform and it magically delivers your car to and from your parking spot’ automated guided vehicle parking system? Sounds like this redo just got substantially more expensive. Is downtown St. Louis really able to justify the cost per square foot that this building is going to claim. Maybe getting the building at a fraction of its original cost offsets a buildout like that. Just seems like the across the street garage proposal would be more cost effective.
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Remember that whatever cost it comes in at will get cut in half thanks to all the tax incentives.FrankRider wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2025“Largest automated guided vehicle parking system in the world (floors 4-14 floors)”dbInSouthCity wrote:Some details
625+ apartments
80,000 sq of retail on floors 1-3 and also B1-3
100,000 sq of amenities
Largest automated guided vehicle parking system in the world (floors 4-14 floors)
Rooftop pool and restaurant/bar
Like in ‘you drive on a platform and it magically delivers your car to and from your parking spot’ automated guided vehicle parking system? Sounds like this redo just got substantially more expensive. Is downtown St. Louis really able to justify the cost per square foot that this building is going to claim. Maybe getting the building at a fraction of its original cost offsets a buildout like that. Just seems like the across the street garage proposal would be more cost effective.
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like FrankRider noted, curious what they mean by automated vehicle mover. Can see having some oversize freight elevator(s) where you pull in, push your floor #/security code, ride up to predetermined floor and then drive to your assigned spot on say on floor 12. I can see maybe 2-3 vehicle elevators for sake of redundancy and cut down the wait times as doable & probably a lot more cost effective then building a new parking garage across the street. However, if it is literally pull your call in on and walk away then it would be interested to see what they are actually talking about and a whole different cost range..
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Also talk about one heck of a structural, design and constructability project to come up with the parking aspect. To me it makes perfect sense to utilize what is already built on a structure that has that much square footage. At same time a nerdy kind of a problem for all those structures that need to be repurposed.
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On different note, everyone should be happy that the owner has absolutely no interest in my thought that a vertical data server farm as a legit and stabilizing/consistent revenue stream for this project.
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Also talk about one heck of a structural, design and constructability project to come up with the parking aspect. To me it makes perfect sense to utilize what is already built on a structure that has that much square footage. At same time a nerdy kind of a problem for all those structures that need to be repurposed.
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On different note, everyone should be happy that the owner has absolutely no interest in my thought that a vertical data server farm as a legit and stabilizing/consistent revenue stream for this project.
