I can't find anything new on this topic. Obviously, this has been a rumor for some time.Suburban Sprawl wrote: ↑Nov 12, 2024Royals very close to moving to Johnson County it seems. This is the last thing KC needs.
Where are you hearing this?
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Fescoe, a sports commentator on 96.5 The Fan, said he heard it from two good sources that the Royals are in deep discussions with Johnson County and Kansas about a stadium in JoCo. Right now, two sites come to mind - the old Sprint Campus at 119th and Nall and the Meridian Development/Brookridge Golf Course site at I-435 and Antioch. Problem with both of these is that they face an extreme uphill battle because of how close they are to single-family homes, the need to redesign 435 to make access easier, potential for significant gridlock on primarily resident thoroughfare roads (Meridian) or onto side streets (Sprint).
Fescue says that 55% of Royals Season tickets holders live in Johnson County, so the team moving to Overland Park puts them closer to those people. Additionally, he says that Northland residents say they'd feel safer driving to Overland Park for a game because Downtown is scary, there's not enough parking down there, and they know parking will be available at a stadium in the suburbs.
I personally don't believe this to be the case as it goes against everything the Royals preached about previously. I also live down near both sites and can assure everyone that if a 30,000+ seat stadium and mixed-use development to match were proposed down here, the NIMBYism would be significantly higher than anything we saw for the Crossroads Stadium site.
The only thing the Royals have working for them is Kansas approving the STAR Bonds, but even those only cover so much and wouldn't cover the costs to overhaul roads to support such a large influx.
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I don't know that Johnson County makes much sense for the Royals, but Wyandotte County might.
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If they are going to do KS it'll be JoCo because of the wealthier demographics. KC just needs more crap sprawl to the KS side like a hole in the head. I'm teetering on whether to stay here or not but if they move to KS that'll be enough for me. Downtown KC sorely needs the ballpark. Its just so dead at street level and the amount of surface lots is just brutal. Too much of the influence in the KC area is with a suburban area, thats just not healthy at all.
The KC Star Printing Press building will undergo a $1bn conversion AI innovation facility with 100MW of data center capacity. Patmos Data Centers as developer/operator.
5MW within 1 month. 40MW within 18 months. Thinks that power delivery is the single biggest issue. Will be good for broader downtown development if this leads to major line upgrades.ldai_phs wrote:The KC Star Printing Press building will undergo a $1bn conversion AI innovation facility with 100MW of data center capacity. Patmos Data Centers as developer/operator.
Interesting - news release says that steam / hot water generation is a cooling strategy they hope to employ, assume this means partnering with Veolia on the downtown heating/cooling loops.
Please enlighten me if i'm wrong but this is quite disappointing. The Star building could easily have become an innovative museum, year round botanical garden, an indoor market hall of sorts or at the very least a workspace for startups since Mayor Lucas sabotaged Keystone. A civic regional asset would have been best and would have incentivized the city to further extend the south loop park in the future and promote more development east side of downtown which is desperately needed. A monolith data center in the middle of the city and just steps away from the south loop park demonstrates how short sighted and incompetent KC business and political leaders are. Data centers are an architectural eye sore, do little for economic growth and absorb immense resources. The cow town mentality prevails.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Nov 14, 2024The KC Star Printing Press building will undergo a $1bn conversion AI innovation facility with 100MW of data center capacity. Patmos Data Centers as developer/operator.
I don’t think there was ever really anything considered besides high tech industrial, retail, data center, brewery (see above industrial), or tear down,Loscher94 wrote:Please enlighten me if i'm wrong but this is quite disappointing. The Star building could easily have become an innovative museum, year round botanical garden, an indoor market hall of sorts or at the very least a workspace for startups since Mayor Lucas sabotaged Keystone. A civic regional asset would have been best and would have incentivized the city to further extend the south loop park in the future and promote more development east side of downtown which is desperately needed. A monolith data center in the middle of the city and just steps away from the south loop park demonstrates how short sighted and incompetent KC business and political leaders are. Data centers are an architectural eye sore, do little for economic growth and absorb immense resources. The cow town mentality prevails.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Nov 14, 2024The KC Star Printing Press building will undergo a $1bn conversion AI innovation facility with 100MW of data center capacity. Patmos Data Centers as developer/operator.
Considering it’s reusing the shell, there are no eye sore concerns.
Sounds like the office portion could end up being either the owners offices or 3rd party space for the “AI Innovation” aspect of the facility. Any other existing office building would be able to be the coworking space you mentioned. Not sure what the problem is?
Those annoying folks in KC have been posting a bunch of anti-STL comments on World Cityscapes and Skyscrapers group on Facebook. Seems they can't just post a pic of their own city without bashing ours. There's been something of a photo-battle going back and forth for a few days.
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The scenery is far more better in St.Louis that’s all I’ve got to say & even if I go further I find St.Louis to be far more beautiful with all its problems & blight there’s no competition between the two I’m just tired of hearing about KC. St.Louis is the 2nd oldest city in Missouri & far more important & historic. KC is ok but the people there have inferior complex not just towards St.Louis but many other cities. St.Louis isnt going anywhere whether they like it or not get over it 
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PlatinumBlues wrote: ↑Nov 18, 2024The scenery is far more better in St.Louis that’s all I’ve got to say & even if I go further I find St.Louis to be far more beautiful with all its problems & blight there’s no competition between the two I’m just tired of hearing about KC. St.Louis is the 2nd oldest city in Missouri & far more important & historic. KC is ok but the people there have inferior complex not just towards St.Louis but many other cities. St.Louis isnt going anywhere whether they like it or not get over it
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KC is growing and thriving. Get your head out of the sand! We can’t rely on our past but face realities of the present! It’s not great!
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From KC, moved to St. Louis.
I much prefer St. Louis.
KC has the North American headquarters for inferiority complex.
I much prefer St. Louis.
KC has the North American headquarters for inferiority complex.
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Most of KC’s growth is on the Kansas side & potentially losing both of your professional teams to Kansas isn’t a great look & i’m not relying on our past I’m just stating the facts. St.Louis cut its head off with the great divorce however I’ll still take St.Louis & it’s little to no growth any day over KC. There will come a time when St.Louis will begin to grow or it just may fade away but still St.Louis is a good place.whitherSTL wrote:PlatinumBlues wrote: ↑Nov 18, 2024The scenery is far more better in St.Louis that’s all I’ve got to say & even if I go further I find St.Louis to be far more beautiful with all its problems & blight there’s no competition between the two I’m just tired of hearing about KC. St.Louis is the 2nd oldest city in Missouri & far more important & historic. KC is ok but the people there have inferior complex not just towards St.Louis but many other cities. St.Louis isnt going anywhere whether they like it or not get over it
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KC is growing and thriving. Get your head out of the sand! We can’t rely on our past but face realities of the present! It’s not great!
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I don’t even dislike KC cause I have good friends that live there but others that talk bad about St.Louis all the time gives KC a not so friendly look. It’s like these people woke up & decided that they were going to hate St.Louis. I’m sure St.Louis residents talk bad about KC but maybe not as much I’ve not heard anyone from St.Louis say anything bad about KC correct me if I’m wrongRockChalkSTL wrote:From KC, moved to St. Louis.
I much prefer St. Louis.
KC has the North American headquarters for inferiority complex.
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KC residents definitely speak badly about St. Louis more often than St. Louis residents do the same to KC.
It really galls me when they boast of KC being "the biggest city in Missouri". Technically they're correct, of corse, but come on. It's tiresome having to explain this over and over.
LOL, talk about living rent free in someone's head...my goodness! 
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As a transplant, I notice that KC people like to constantly talk about how there’s no saving STL and that “it’s dead”. Then, Chicago people just constantly try to put down any other midwest city.
My urbanist social media presence and visitors/fellow transplants that I dislike their attitudes most definitely goes:
1. Austin
2. Chicago
3. KC
I find Cleveland, Cincinnati, and most others quite pleasant.
My urbanist social media presence and visitors/fellow transplants that I dislike their attitudes most definitely goes:
1. Austin
2. Chicago
3. KC
I find Cleveland, Cincinnati, and most others quite pleasant.
Same deal as Jacksonville being the biggest city in Florida....mickey mouse big city maybe.framer wrote: ↑Nov 18, 2024It really galls me when they boast of KC being "the biggest city in Missouri". Technically they're correct, of corse, but come on. It's tiresome having to explain this over and over.
KC needs to at least get 600,000 more people and outpace our GDP Growth before they can call us deaddelmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑Nov 18, 2024As a transplant, I notice that KC people like to constantly talk about how there’s no saving STL and that “it’s dead”. Then, Chicago people just constantly try to put down any other midwest city.
My urbanist social media presence and visitors/fellow transplants that I dislike their attitudes most definitely goes:
1. Austin
2. Chicago
3. KC
I find Cleveland, Cincinnati, and most others quite pleasant.
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Oh, but come on! They have a density less than Creve Coeur spread out over 318 sq mi! Of course that makes them the “bigger city”!
Anyways this also annoys me generally - all the tiktoks and social media posts that list each states biggest city, features a state’s biggest city, etc. When my Louisville friends visit and say “Louisville is a bigger city but St. Louis feels a lot bigger.” Or Austin people claiming they are one of the 10 biggest cities.
It really makes me wants a merger, and a StL city annexation of Lemay, Affton, Shrewsbury, Maplewood, Clayton, U City, Jennings, Ferguson, etc. that would make us the biggest city again and actually retain our density numbers.
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KC is a completely different city than STL in so many ways that it's hard to compare the two. KC is much younger than STL, so their city reminds me more of Minneapolis or Denver, albeit hillier and struggling against decades of decline and urban renewal. Of course since we share a state, STL is their "big brother rival" city but it doesn't really make sense. Kind of like how it would be difficult to compare STL with Baltimore or Philly, just too different.
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53% of KC is 39 and under and we’re at 50.4% but of course being 700,000 bigger we have more people 39 and younger
It's not that hard to compare STL to PHI or BAL. Can't imagine comparing KC to Minneapolis though. That's just insulting to Minneapolis.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2024KC is a completely different city than STL in so many ways that it's hard to compare the two. KC is much younger than STL, so their city reminds me more of Minneapolis or Denver, albeit hillier and struggling against decades of decline and urban renewal. Of course since we share a state, STL is their "big brother rival" city but it doesn't really make sense. Kind of like how it would be difficult to compare STL with Baltimore or Philly, just too different.