Many agencies are struggling with the impending fiscal cliff. There were hopes that feds would extend the COVID rebuilding funds but that went out the window in early November. We are likely about to see one of the more extensive adjustments of public transit in US history. For most, it will be a step down. KC should have never been fare free and I expect there are conversations to do so now.MOsloth22 wrote:Seems like things are getting pretty dire over at KCATA. They’re talking about potentially cutting 15 routes and a third of their workforce amid a funding shortfall.
https://kansascity.com/news/local/article298998410.html
Probably should at least start requiring fares again.MOsloth22 wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2025Seems like things are getting pretty dire over at KCATA. They’re talking about potentially cutting 15 routes and a third of their workforce amid a funding shortfall.
https://kansascity.com/news/local/article298998410.html
You're not hating, you're preaching objective facts.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2025Not that my opinion is relevant, I know it’ll come off as hater vibes. KC’s public transportation crisis is an example of why I’m still confused what FIFA saw hosting there.
I just can’t imagine the fan experience compared to a place like Chicago. Getting around is going to be terrible.
STL was cut early. Chicago didn’t want to host. Not sure about MSPAuggie wrote:You're not hating, you're preaching objective facts.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2025Not that my opinion is relevant, I know it’ll come off as hater vibes. KC’s public transportation crisis is an example of why I’m still confused what FIFA saw hosting there.
I just can’t imagine the fan experience compared to a place like Chicago. Getting around is going to be terrible.
World Cup is being hosted in a plethora of horrible cities.
Canada and Mexico gets these great transit rich cities, meanwhile the US is represented by the likes of KC, Arlington /Dallas, Houston, LA (remember Sofi doesn't have a rail transit connection), and Miami.
KC of all cities is definitely the least deserving though. Smallest city, transit hellscape, stadium out in the suburbs, etc.
But from my understanding, Chicago and MSP didn't want to host, don't think STL did either. Denver definitely would have been better than KC, probably passed over because of the air. So they may have just been stuck with KC in the end.
Think that’s right. It was pretty early on when they got cut.PlatinumBlues wrote:From what I heard StL was cut because of a lack of a viable hosting venue correct me if I’m wrong other than that I really don’t think StL would have been picked anyways. I wish KC the best of luck I’m sure they’ll find a way to make it work.
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Cincinnati's stadium is head and shoulders better than Arrowhead.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2025STL was cut early. Chicago didn’t want to host. Not sure about MSPAuggie wrote:You're not hating, you're preaching objective facts.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2025Not that my opinion is relevant, I know it’ll come off as hater vibes. KC’s public transportation crisis is an example of why I’m still confused what FIFA saw hosting there.
I just can’t imagine the fan experience compared to a place like Chicago. Getting around is going to be terrible.
World Cup is being hosted in a plethora of horrible cities.
Canada and Mexico gets these great transit rich cities, meanwhile the US is represented by the likes of KC, Arlington /Dallas, Houston, LA (remember Sofi doesn't have a rail transit connection), and Miami.
KC of all cities is definitely the least deserving though. Smallest city, transit hellscape, stadium out in the suburbs, etc.
But from my understanding, Chicago and MSP didn't want to host, don't think STL did either. Denver definitely would have been better than KC, probably passed over because of the air. So they may have just been stuck with KC in the end.
KC had a better stadium than both Nash and Cin (Nashville’s new stadium wasn’t fully approved when deciding) but it’s located in a worse place.
KC was able to provide really top quality training sites (US Soccer center, Sporting KC, Current Stadium, Current Training center, local universities). Nashville had a much better hotel situation and Cincinatti much worse than KC. KC also had “recent” MLS, MLB, and NFL major event experience that helped ease FIFA’s minds (MLS and MLB All Star, World Series, Playoffs, Draft).
KC also sat in the middle when it came to the airport. Nashville’s transit situation is just as bad if not worse than KC. Cincinatti only recently approved their county transit tax (iirc).
There was also a very concerted effort by the local community to support soccer and to bid on WC. Apparently they were able to sell that better than the other cities.
Debaliviere91 wrote:St Louis was never in consideration because we don’t have a place to play.
KC was chosen because of Arrowhead. It’s a historic and highly desirable stadium. I don’t know how you could make the case that Cincinnati’s stadium is better than KCs. Paycor Stadium is nothing special at all.
I don’t really think public transportation was a major factor at all in these decisions. I think FIFA is probably used to better public transportation as a default in more of the international locations and they may learn their lesson in places like KC.
Arrowhead is like Fenway Park. It's not a good stadium quality wise at all. Like I said, Paycor is significantly better. Not to mention actually in the downtown area near where people would be staying and eating.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2025St Louis was never in consideration because we don’t have a place to play.
KC was chosen because of Arrowhead. It’s a historic and highly desirable stadium. I don’t know how you could make the case that Cincinnati’s stadium is better than KCs. Paycor Stadium is nothing special at all.
I don’t really think public transportation was a major factor at all in these decisions. I think FIFA is probably used to better public transportation as a default in more of the international locations and they may learn their lesson in places like KC.
Nashville spent over $2bn to replace theirs and Paycor is looking at a renovation projected to cost 50% more than Arrowheads. KC’s stadium was rated the best amongst the three (location aside).Auggie wrote:Arrowhead is like Fenway Park. It's not a good stadium quality wise at all. Like I said, Paycor is significantly better. Not to mention actually in the downtown area near where people would be staying and eating.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2025St Louis was never in consideration because we don’t have a place to play.
KC was chosen because of Arrowhead. It’s a historic and highly desirable stadium. I don’t know how you could make the case that Cincinnati’s stadium is better than KCs. Paycor Stadium is nothing special at all.
I don’t really think public transportation was a major factor at all in these decisions. I think FIFA is probably used to better public transportation as a default in more of the international locations and they may learn their lesson in places like KC.
The fact the Chiefs are trying to sink hundreds of millions into renovating it *again* shows that it is just not a good stadium this day in age.
Only real advantage is capacity.
Cool story, but it's not. That's all there is to it. It's reputation may be better, but it's not a great stadium by any means. Location is also half the worth of a stadium. There's a reason Canadian Tire Arena in Ottawa is considered one of the worst arenas in the NHL.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2025Nashville spent over $2bn to replace theirs and Paycor is looking at a renovation projected to cost 50% more than Arrowheads. KC’s stadium was rated the best amongst the three (location aside).Auggie wrote:Arrowhead is like Fenway Park. It's not a good stadium quality wise at all. Like I said, Paycor is significantly better. Not to mention actually in the downtown area near where people would be staying and eating.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2025St Louis was never in consideration because we don’t have a place to play.
KC was chosen because of Arrowhead. It’s a historic and highly desirable stadium. I don’t know how you could make the case that Cincinnati’s stadium is better than KCs. Paycor Stadium is nothing special at all.
I don’t really think public transportation was a major factor at all in these decisions. I think FIFA is probably used to better public transportation as a default in more of the international locations and they may learn their lesson in places like KC.
The fact the Chiefs are trying to sink hundreds of millions into renovating it *again* shows that it is just not a good stadium this day in age.
Only real advantage is capacity.
StL was not cut because we never submitted a bid, the dome does not meet FIFA standardsldai_phs wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2025
STL was cut early. Chicago didn’t want to host. Not sure about MSP
KC had a better stadium than both Nash and Cin (Nashville’s new stadium wasn’t fully approved when deciding) but it’s located in a worse place.
KC was able to provide really top quality training sites (US Soccer center, Sporting KC, Current Stadium, Current Training center, local universities). Nashville had a much better hotel situation and Cincinatti much worse than KC. KC also had “recent” MLS, MLB, and NFL major event experience that helped ease FIFA’s minds (MLS and MLB All Star, World Series, Playoffs, Draft).
KC also sat in the middle when it came to the airport. Nashville’s transit situation is just as bad if not worse than KC. Cincinatti only recently approved their county transit tax (iirc).
There was also a very concerted effort by the local community to support soccer and to bid on WC. Apparently they were able to sell that better than the other cities.
ldai_phs wrote:Cordish received the final administrative approval necessary for Four Light. They expect the project to take 28 months once building permits are approved. Also today an overview rendering of their next 4 projects (4 and 5 Light, and a mid rise and a tower south of Truman) were released.
