How does a franchise lose it's license that fast? Unless of course if this is a union busting deal.tztag wrote: ↑Sep 09, 2024I believe Starbucks closed, lost their franchise license from what I read
Walk up Union. There are literally walls up the east side of Union blocking Deb. Place from the CWE.stlurbanist wrote:That's great to hear. I am interested in understanding your comment on "impenetrable walls" - is that deliberate or just a physical barrier?throatybeard wrote: ↑Sep 10, 2024and the WashU set from the west side of Skinky-D doesn't go east, and the mansion people on the east side of DeBP don't go west of their impenetrable walls.stlurbanist wrote: ↑Sep 01, 2024Park place market/cafe is now open. They had decent traffic today - it was exhilarating to see that. On their opening day, they were swatting flies.
I guess they have their own HOA and paving and resurfacing etc.PeterXCV wrote: ↑Sep 10, 2024Yeah Kingsbury Pl, Waterman Pl, and Washington Terrace can't even be entered via the sidewalk without a key from Belt and Clara.
Isn’t that whole deal with the Starbucks at Hanley and wydown that it was company owned and now a franchisee is going to reopen it?PeterXCV wrote: ↑Sep 10, 2024Starbucks doesn't do franchises, that's why all the workers can be in the same union. The stores are 100% company owned.
Oh it's very deliberate. There are three of those odious private streets running west from Union with car entrances only on Union, and massive, ten foot tall brick walls and iron gates prohibiting pedestrian ingress from Delmar, Clara, Waterman 55XX or Pershing. The two northern streets run twice as far west into the neighborhood, to Clara, as does the private section of Waterman, just to Belt. The homes vary from maybe $700K to $1.75M unless someone dies in one that hasn't been renovated since 1947.stlurbanist wrote: ↑Sep 10, 2024That's great to hear. I am interested in understanding your comment on "impenetrable walls" - is that deliberate or just a physical barrier?throatybeard wrote: ↑Sep 10, 2024and the WashU set from the west side of Skinky-D doesn't go east, and the mansion people on the east side of DeBP don't go west of their impenetrable walls.stlurbanist wrote: ↑Sep 01, 2024Park place market/cafe is now open. They had decent traffic today - it was exhilarating to see that. On their opening day, they were swatting flies.
I just cannot see the sales being that low. That corner might have more foot traffic than any other intersection in the city after Lindell/Euclid. They definitely always had customer flow. Expo must ask too much rent considering the empty retail baysstlurbanist wrote: ↑Sep 11, 2024I am hearing two conflicting stories about Starbucks. One, they were never a franchisee and will not receive one due to low sales. Two, they are negotiating lease with the management as rent is high.
Thank you for the insight @throatybeard
Unfortunately Park Place Market has closed permanently. As has all retail on that block now.stlurbanist wrote: ↑Sep 10, 2025It is gut wrenching to see Park Place Market getting hit with setbacks. They were trying to expand and now tornado has forced them to stay shut. Does anyone know what is the plan for that building - is park place market going to open at some point?
I would not go to bank on that. That building sustained tornado damage and I suspect it will take at least a year to see any establishment.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑2:59 PM - Aug 18Apparently new tenants at the Expo are being sold with the idea that an grocery store is opening "across the street"
Is this actually a thing? Has anybody heard a rumor?
At Hudson? The rebuilding work looked to be nearly complete.stlurbanist wrote:I would not go to bank on that. That building sustained tornado damage and I suspect it will take at least a year to see any establishment.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑2:59 PM - Aug 18Apparently new tenants at the Expo are being sold with the idea that an grocery store is opening "across the street"
Is this actually a thing? Has anybody heard a rumor?
"Across the street" is not very clear. It could be hudson, it could be the old park place market building, or it could be the adjacent expo building where fields food was?ldai_phs wrote: ↑4:28 PM - Aug 19At Hudson? The rebuilding work looked to be nearly complete.stlurbanist wrote:I would not go to bank on that. That building sustained tornado damage and I suspect it will take at least a year to see any establishment.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑2:59 PM - Aug 18Apparently new tenants at the Expo are being sold with the idea that an grocery store is opening "across the street"
Is this actually a thing? Has anybody heard a rumor?
