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matguy70 wrote:Tishara has got to go.

I don’t understand the people who make the Tishaura situation out to be so dire. Especially in the context of what we really can expect out of a Mayor. Where is she missing the mark so badly? She’s almost certainly going to be reelected anyway.

Cara would probably an improvement from an urbanism perspective, but overall I don’t think she would be that different.

Violent crime in STL city is down 11% over last year, if it stays above 10% rest of the year, Jones would be the first mayor to oversee 4 straight years of double digit violent crime decline in 4 decades at least

2024: -10.98%
2023: -11.6%
2022: -10.6%
2021: -15%

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Aug 03, 2024

Violent crime in STL city is down 11% over last year, if it stays above 10% rest of the year, Jones would be the first mayor to oversee 4 straight years of double digit violent crime decline in 4 decades at least

2024: -10.98%
2023: -11.6%
2022: -10.6%
2021: -15%

Let's pretend for a moment that the numbers you posted are accurate and real.

Can you point to specific policies or actions taken by Jones that have resulted in this decline?

leeharveyawesome wrote:

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Aug 03, 2024

Violent crime in STL city is down 11% over last year, if it stays above 10% rest of the year, Jones would be the first mayor to oversee 4 straight years of double digit violent crime decline in 4 decades at least

2024: -10.98%
2023: -11.6%
2022: -10.6%
2021: -15%

Let's pretend for a moment that the numbers you posted are accurate and real.

Can you point to specific policies or actions taken by Jones that have resulted in this decline?

Can you show one shred of evidence (that isn’t anecdotal), that points to these numbers not being real?

leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2024

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Aug 03, 2024

Violent crime in STL city is down 11% over last year, if it stays above 10% rest of the year, Jones would be the first mayor to oversee 4 straight years of double digit violent crime decline in 4 decades at least

2024: -10.98%
2023: -11.6%
2022: -10.6%
2021: -15%

Let's pretend for a moment that the numbers you posted are accurate and real.

Can you point to specific policies or actions taken by Jones that have resulted in this decline?

There is nothing to pretend, if anything these numbers are probably lower if crime was counted the same way as it was pre 2020. Pre 202 if I shot and killed you during a robbery, only the homicide was counted, today it’s a homicide and a robbery

I think pumping $500/month to poor families in SLPS and an almost full employment economy probably have had a stabilizing effect on the City, which she does deserve some credit for. 

^She developed and implemented a Violence Prevention strategy testing a bunch of different policy ideas, the most visible of which were the Cure Violence and Crisis Intervention programs. The former proved unsuccessful, but the latter is now a permanent fixture in City law enforcement. She also helped negotiate significant pay increases and retention bonuses in the recent CBA with the police union, and helped lift the Residency Requirements for cops. Of course, it's easier to be successful when you have at your disposal literally more money that you know how to spend , but I think she's done a great job of identifying needs and funding them commensurately and she's done so with significant public input and with an exceptional amount of transparency. That's no easy task when every political interest in the metro area has their hand out for a piece of the action.

I get people don't like Tishaura for intangible reasons, namely because they lump her in with every other black democrat politician, and she's had some personnel problems, e.g., Dept. of Corrections can't get its sh*t together, but she's turned this skeptic (and former Spencer voter) into a supporter, at least for now. 

STLEnginerd wrote: ↑

Aug 06, 2024

violent crime is down nationally as well though so for a true assessment it should be normalized vs. national numbers.  Still as much as its fair you get blame with things go wrong its equally fair to get credit when things go right.

dbInSouthCity wrote:

STLEnginerd wrote: ↑

Aug 06, 2024

violent crime is down nationally as well though so for a true assessment it should be normalized vs. national numbers.  Still as much as its fair you get blame with things go wrong its equally fair to get credit when things go right.

One data point in KC isn’t terribly relevant. As I’ve argued before, National crime trends are a part of the story in St Louis. But Tishaura has done a few things related to crime here that she should get credit for.

Filing opens today, here are the campaign finance reports for the known candidates 

Jones is going to coast to victory. 

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Nov 25, 2024

Jones is going to coast to victory. 

Really?

The Spencer supporters are certainly louder.

throatybeard wrote: ↑

Nov 26, 2024

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Nov 25, 2024

Jones is going to coast to victory. 

Really?

The Spencer supporters are certainly louder.

I’ve yet to meet one.

matguy70 wrote: ↑

Nov 26, 2024

Jones has got to go.  She has literally halted and delayed the progress of the city (especially downtown) Since elected and Covid.  She focuses on north city only and on projects that only include "affordable housing".  She tried to stop projects like Top Golf and Target in Midtown because they were in "residential areas".  Projects like the Albian Tower are on hold waiting for her to go.  The minute she is voted out this city will boom.  Trust me.  She is absolutely a toxic and cancerous person in development in the city.

Lemme translate: "I have no clue what I'm talking about." The idea that the most forward thinking and transformative mayor this century is actually what's holding the already booming city back from a boom....is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

People I know in City Hall have nothing but praise for her, even some who opposed her back in 2021. Get real bud.

matguy70 wrote: ↑

Nov 26, 2024

Jones has got to go.  She has literally halted and delayed the progress of the city (especially downtown) Since elected and Covid.  She focuses on north city only and on projects that only include "affordable housing".  She tried to stop projects like Top Golf and Target in Midtown because they were in "residential areas".  Projects like the Albian Tower are on hold waiting for her to go.  The minute she is voted out this city will boom.  Trust me.  She is absolutely a toxic and cancerous person in development in the city.

As someone that talks to developers, business owners/leaders, media daily and provides data to some of the biggest developers in the City......What? 

It could be a close race just based on 2021s relatively close results... but if there's a decent number of people who did not vote for Jones previously but have been satisfied with her first term and show up to reelect her it could be a blowout. However (in part based on this month's presidential election) I think turnout may be lower this time around and that may be more advantageous for Spencer... there just doesn't seem to be as much voter enthusiasm as there was 2020-2021. 

Where in the world does the idea that the Albion Tower isn't under construction because of Tishaura come from? The Koplars have been struggling to develop that lot for like 50 years, I thought the hold up was higher interest rates. 

PeterXCV wrote: ↑

Nov 26, 2024

Where in the world does the idea that the Albion Tower isn't under construction because of Tishaura come from? The Koplars have been struggling to develop that lot for like 50 years, I thought the hold up was higher interest rates. 

It's because the reason they missed out on the low interest rates was because the Board of Aldermen opposed the original incentive ask, specifically the alderperson for the building's district opposed it.

At the time, Jones actually supported the incentive package I'm pretty sure.

I voted Spencer, but I have been pleased with Jones.  I have a handful of friends who do not support Jones and are planning to vote Spencer, so I do think it will be close.  I would love to see candidates share their plans to improve downtown and work with the county on a merger - even if it is just to return us as a municipality within St. Louis county.