urbanSTL

shadrach wrote:https://www.metrostlouis.org/deals/

That program exists as you described it. Just need more retailers/attractions to hop on board.

Wow that list is depressingly small. Certainly going to go to some of them more now that I’ve seen it though.

^^Thanks! I was completely unaware of that. Nice to see. And yes, we need more. But I'm glad to know it's there. If we all use it maybe it will grow.

Thanks did not know that.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

NextSTL - Armory's pedestrian experience lacking, but it can improve if Armory cares

https://nextstl.com/2023/02/armorys-ped ... ory-cares/

Ameren is adding/expanding the substation and owns that portion of the site, so that area is still under construction. I believe you can still walk down Scott and Prospect, which would be preferable to walking across the parking lot.

Ameren owns 552 Prospect at the corner. They have a $824,780 building permit issued.
Prospect and Scott don't have sidewalks.

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jan 15, 2023

It’s hard to see ever a ped bridge. It’s too costly to go over the top deck and no chance in hell you go in between decks for security and anti terrorism reasons

Just remembering this comment, now that a bridge is being rebuilt between the highway decks with funding from the feds  

PeterXCV wrote: ↑

Mar 14, 2024

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jan 15, 2023

It’s hard to see ever a ped bridge. It’s too costly to go over the top deck and no chance in hell you go in between decks for security and anti terrorism reasons

Just remembering this comment, now that a bridge is being rebuilt between the highway decks with funding from the feds  

if you think this is worth $20,000,000 thats fine. 

Was that a mea culpa or what? 

I would say yes, absolutely worth it if they can find a way to get the greenway to cross the railroad tracks to the south and connect to the Steelecote development node.

Rebuilding a ped version of the Spring viaduct is an expensive option, or perhaps an underpass type thing by the metrolink station. I would probably prefer the latter simply to better connect the Steelecote area to the station that is RIGHT THERE

Don’t be surprised if this folds. The intended use was never a huge bar and coupled with issues that green street is having I don’t know how much longer it lasts. I don’t necessarily view it as a bad thing.

I have never been to either of the places - the armory or West Port Social.  I thought this was a similar concept?  What was the original concept of the place?

Original concept was mixed coworking and networking spaces. As far as the entertainment component goes, I'm not sure if they ever opened the build-out of the ground floor which was to include event spaces, roller skating, a speakeasy, nightclub...And the rooftop was supposed to have a biergarten. 

I still think it would be great to do indoor sport courts for rent/ public use. There's a shortage of indoor playing space, especially for youth sports with many older gyms needing maintenance. Seems like a good way to bring families into the city on weekends, explore the foundry...etc. Not to mention the recreational opportunities for city residents 24/7.  (Maybe a true recreation complex in the Central Corridor w full gym, pool, right on the Brickline). 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jul 25, 2024

Don’t be surprised if this folds. The intended use was never a huge bar and coupled with issues that green street is having I don’t know how much longer it lasts. I don’t necessarily view it as a bad thing.

You don’t think it’s a bad thing because you believe there’s a buyer that will purchase and build out the development?

Also, the few times I’ve been it’s been busy. But it has always felt like it needed more around it and connection to rest of midtown to get more consistent business other than people driving to it.

We've taken the family in the afternoon a couple times and had a blast.  Activities for everyone and each time it was comfortably busy.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Jul 26, 2024

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jul 25, 2024

Don’t be surprised if this folds.  The intended use was never a huge bar and coupled with issues that green street is having I don’t know how much longer it lasts.  I don’t necessarily view it as a bad thing.

You don’t think it’s a bad thing because you believe there’s a buyer that will purchase and build out the development?

DB disapproves of events and businesses that cater to the over indulging of alcohol. See the comments he has made toward Mardis Gras and its attendees.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Jul 26, 2024

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Jul 26, 2024

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jul 25, 2024

Don’t be surprised if this folds.  The intended use was never a huge bar and coupled with issues that green street is having I don’t know how much longer it lasts.  I don’t necessarily view it as a bad thing.

You don’t think it’s a bad thing because you believe there’s a buyer that will purchase and build out the development?

DB disapproves of events and businesses that cater to the over indulging of alcohol. See the comments he has made toward Mardis Gras and its attendees.

Anything outside of downtown.

dylank wrote: ↑

Jul 26, 2024

Original concept was mixed coworking and networking spaces. As far as the entertainment component goes, I'm not sure if they ever opened the build-out of the ground floor which was to include event spaces, roller skating, a speakeasy, nightclub...And the rooftop was supposed to have a biergarten. 

I still think it would be great to do indoor sport courts for rent/ public use. There's a shortage of indoor playing space, especially for youth sports with many older gyms needing maintenance. Seems like a good way to bring families into the city on weekends, explore the foundry...etc. Not to mention the recreational opportunities for city residents 24/7.  (Maybe a true recreation complex in the Central Corridor w full gym, pool, right on the Brickline). 

Almost like the Blues could have built this out as their practice facility and playable ice rink.  Plop a hotel up there and you have travel teams from all over coming for tournaments.  Seems far long enough for a 200ft ice rink that would be eons better than the old Mills location, or Centene.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Jul 26, 2024

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Jul 26, 2024

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jul 25, 2024

Don’t be surprised if this folds.  The intended use was never a huge bar and coupled with issues that green street is having I don’t know how much longer it lasts.  I don’t necessarily view it as a bad thing.

You don’t think it’s a bad thing because you believe there’s a buyer that will purchase and build out the development?

DB disapproves of events and businesses that cater to the over indulging of alcohol. See the comments he has made toward Mardis Gras and its attendees.

I think you have me confused with someone else, i am full blown alcoholic. 

Armory will fail because it spent $80M on a bar. 

The ugly painted-over Goodwill building near the Armory that was teased as a potential apartment conversion...

Any chance of that still happening in the near future? 

Sounds like multi-tower Armory Phase II is likely dead if Phase I may go belly up. 

The area needs more residents and connection to the other vibrant things going on. 

Has anybody here ever walked to the Armory from the Grand MetroLink station? The walk kind of sucks despite the proximity. 

There is so much that St. Louis and developers could be doing to improve that area. 

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Jul 26, 2024

The ugly painted-over Goodwill building near the Armory that was teased as a potential apartment conversion...

Any chance of that still happening in the near future? 

Sounds like multi-tower Armory Phase II is likely dead if Phase I may go belly up. 

The area needs more residents and connection to the other vibrant things going on. 

Has anybody here ever walked to the Armory from the Grand MetroLink station? The walk kind of sucks despite the proximity. 

There is so much that St. Louis and developers could be doing to improve that area. 

The walk would be so easy if there were only a sidewalk, such an easy fix but no action from city or owner

Looks like Green Street never paid the installation of the HVAC. They owe almost 400k.