That bridge was taken down before the Armory and City Foundry opened as well, when there was far less pedestrian traffic between the two areas. You’re still not answering the overall question…what’s the threat of having a pedestrian bridge between the decks and how is it different than the Grand Boulevard overpass in the same area? Why is that not a threat but a pedestrian bridge is?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2023^ the previous bridge got built in the 70s and didn’t get rebuilt after it was taken down. So that’s irrelevant.
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Did db day he personally thought it would be a terrorist risk, or was he speaking from experience and suggesting it would be /deemed/ a terrorist risk?
The question I think is relevant is if the Spring Viaduct returned as pedestrian bridge between the road decks only and Hwy 44 now officially Interstate 64 would the clearances meet the Federal guidelines? I can't recall the specific height/clearance standard, want to say 13' 3" or 13" 6". Obviously the load factor on a pedestrian bridge is significantly less a freeway bridge so beams can also be smaller, skinnier i guess.
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This is the real reason for concern. Will newer height restrictions allow it? Anybody can be a terror threat on any overpass. Now a bridge that goes through it will have considerable safety measures built into it to prevent terror type things. As can be seen on the arch grounds bridge as an example.dredger wrote:The question I think is relevant is if the Spring Viaduct returned as pedestrian bridge between the road decks only and Hwy 44 now officially Interstate 64 would the clearances meet the Federal guidelines? I can't recall the specific height/clearance standard, want to say 13' 3" or 13" 6". Obviously the load factor on a pedestrian bridge is significantly less a freeway bridge so beams can also be smaller, skinnier i guess.
^ If Grand Boulevard can continue to pass between the upper and lower levels I don’t see why a pedestrian overpass couldn’t…
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I’m not opposed to the ped bridge at all. I am actually actively in favor and have had many discussions about it with GRG and avid bike riders. The thought process you’re using though is why the term grandfathered in was created. Meaning while it exists now doesn’t mean it’s right or the safest method.sc4mayor wrote:^ If Grand Boulevard can continue to pass between the upper and lower levels I don’t see why a pedestrian overpass couldn’t…
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I can't possibly believe they'd build a pedestrian bridge up, and over. That thing would have to have a six or seven story rise from street level to get over. As everyone else has said, there are already bridges with sidewalks under the deck. Why would one more be an issue? I'm going out on a limb and guessing it was demolished because it was too deteriorated to be safely left in place and it hasn't been replaced because the need and funding weren't there. But now they are, so it will be. I don't disagree with you often, and I do so at my own peril, because I know you know the subject a lot better than me, but . . . over the top? I don't see how you could possibly make something useful at that altitude. Heck, it'd be so tall quite a lot of people would refuse to cross it just for vertigo reasons, let alone the mile and a half of ramps and stairs and cardio that it would require.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2023Nobody said that, over the top ped bridge is fine, MODOT doesn’t link under the deck ped bridges.
Besides, if you wanted to do something stupid a panel van on the would be a lot more useful than a backpack on a pedestrian bridge, and there's really no way you can have a highway that prohibits vans. (Or trucks, or cars, or whatever.) Maybe MODoT is crazy enough to believe a sidewalk between highway bridges is a terrorism risk, but if so, they're even more silly than I thought.
As to the clearance problems, it used to be there and it worked, so it should still work. Especially with a lighter bridge that wouldn't need as much overhead clearance or as much chord depth itself.
^^ I didn’t say you were opposed. I’ve also had discussions about this with GRG engineers 
Interesting you talk about being grandfathered in…since MoDot is now looking at reconstructing and bringing this part of I-64 up to modern standards…if the viaducts don’t have enough clearance to safely take bridges between the decks, then presumably Grand couldn’t be continued between the decks, correct? If so, then why do all three alternatives keep Grand traveling between the decks? Considering a pedestrian bridge won’t carry vehicles it could be built higher than your average overpass (ex: Grand) providing more clearance for traffic at the highway level.
Every Future64 alternative proposed, including the “no build” has a pedestrian connection between the decks. Interestingly enough, the only folks claiming such a connection is a threat (basically one UrbanSTL user lol) is the same one that can’t articulate a reason why such a thing is a threat in the first place!
Plans have called for a connection between these two developments almost since day one. Only now has this community turned to nonexistent terrorist threats and other bullsh*t…definitely not surprised tbh.
Interesting you talk about being grandfathered in…since MoDot is now looking at reconstructing and bringing this part of I-64 up to modern standards…if the viaducts don’t have enough clearance to safely take bridges between the decks, then presumably Grand couldn’t be continued between the decks, correct? If so, then why do all three alternatives keep Grand traveling between the decks? Considering a pedestrian bridge won’t carry vehicles it could be built higher than your average overpass (ex: Grand) providing more clearance for traffic at the highway level.
Every Future64 alternative proposed, including the “no build” has a pedestrian connection between the decks. Interestingly enough, the only folks claiming such a connection is a threat (basically one UrbanSTL user lol) is the same one that can’t articulate a reason why such a thing is a threat in the first place!
Plans have called for a connection between these two developments almost since day one. Only now has this community turned to nonexistent terrorist threats and other bullsh*t…definitely not surprised tbh.
It's mentioned in this article that they (have added?) metal detectors. Are these the big airport/stadium ones, does anybody know? Or are there some less-intrusive ones?
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime ... bce85ea1ee
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime ... bce85ea1ee
“With only the first of several phases of the project open, the Armory already is outpacing Green Street’s sales projections for the entire project, Miller said. Brick + Bev projected $28 million in sales for the entire year from all phases and is already on pace to meet that even without any of the future phases yet completed, he said.”
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... -park.html
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... -park.html
I'm still taken aback by how many panned it on Twitter when I posted a photo of it from the preview night before it opened.
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Let's see them add a few more floors to their apartment towers.
I hope this also leads to further development at City Foundry, especially on their problem lots, and also at the Iron Hill site.
I believe there was something about the nearby Goodwill building possibly being the target of development.
And then the Rock Spring School is said to finally be on track for redevelopment.
And then you have new office coming to the Vandeventer corridor.
This entire area of St. Louis will have so much energy just a few years from now. I truly believe that.
I hope this also leads to further development at City Foundry, especially on their problem lots, and also at the Iron Hill site.
I believe there was something about the nearby Goodwill building possibly being the target of development.
And then the Rock Spring School is said to finally be on track for redevelopment.
And then you have new office coming to the Vandeventer corridor.
This entire area of St. Louis will have so much energy just a few years from now. I truly believe that.
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The goodwill building is going to be redeveloped. Count on it.
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What would happen to the Goodwill in that scenario? We're talking about the one off of Vandaventer, not the mid-mod on Forest Park Ave, correct?
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Correct, the one off of Vandeventer.
I would think it would be a very strong candidate for residential conversion.
I would think it would be a very strong candidate for residential conversion.
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Goodwill already closed it and I believe it was acquired by WashU / Cortex. fence up around lot. My guess is more lab space. i wouldn't bet on residential. maybe shared work/incubator space.
They are talking about the one by the Armory. It appears to still be openTheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2023Goodwill already closed it and I believe it was acquired by WashU / Cortex. fence up around lot. My guess is more lab space. i wouldn't bet on residential. maybe shared work/incubator space.
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Goodwill Retail Store of St. Louis – Forest Park Blvd. (Permanently Closed) 4200 Forest Park Boulevard St. Louis MO 63108
via: https://mersgoodwill.org/
via: https://mersgoodwill.org/
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I believe the Goodwill being discussed is at 3728 Market St, St. Louis, MO 63110
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Yes, I think that Goodwill Outlet is an excellent amenity to the neighborhood. It would be a shame if it were to close.jshank83 wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2023They are talking about the one by the Armory. It appears to still be openTheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2023Goodwill already closed it and I believe it was acquired by WashU / Cortex. fence up around lot. My guess is more lab space. i wouldn't bet on residential. maybe shared work/incubator space.
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Goodwill outlet is adjacent to the Armory area
There was a Goodwill on Forest Park Parkway
shout out to the ppl at Goodwill OUTLET Bridgeton !
5665 St Louis Mls Cir, Bridgeton, MO 63044
Its a better Goodwill OUTLET
The one by the Armory most recently had few if any carts Reason? "they have been stolen, walked off the lot"
There was a Goodwill on Forest Park Parkway
shout out to the ppl at Goodwill OUTLET Bridgeton !
5665 St Louis Mls Cir, Bridgeton, MO 63044
Its a better Goodwill OUTLET
The one by the Armory most recently had few if any carts Reason? "they have been stolen, walked off the lot"
A hellscape from the Grand Metrolink Station. No mention of it in the Armory's FAQ, smh. We've spent so much on Metrolink and don't leverage it in the most basic ways.
If I was The ARMORY I’ll give a 20% discount on purchases if you show your Metrolink physical ticket or from the Transit App. Shoot BPV and all attractions in Forrest Park should do the same. We need to find ways to promote taking rail or buses. But if Metrolink and Metro doesn’t put their part into making itself more attractive it get more difficult.
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