I'm so glad to read that we are worried or wondering on the long term viability of the dome. I fully agree, it is needed and we would miss out on a lot of events without it. However I think now is the time they need to do something new to it. Signage from the outside, or raising the roof to make it appear taller with natural light added would help immensely. I just worry that STL leadership isn't going to lift a finger until it really starts falling apart.
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I know I'm late to this but getting new entrance canopies is stupid. I've always loved those glass Parisian canopies. Even if they're difficult to clean, there's no way this is an improvement. Honestly, we got lucky with such an attractive convention center entrance but time to spend money ruining it in typical STL fashion.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Aug 23, 2023Looks like for the time being they are no longer pursuing a second phase. So, the expanded ballroom is out but most of the rest will be done sometime in 2024.
Updated Wash Ave entrance:
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To be clear i don't see a need for upgrades to the dome unless there is a business case justifying the capital upgrades. For example, if the Battlehawks want new AV system then that should be assessed based on attendance numbers and how much the team is willing to cost share.NJB1981 wrote: ↑Nov 13, 2023I'm so glad to read that we are worried or wondering on the long term viability of the dome. I fully agree, it is needed and we would miss out on a lot of events without it. However I think now is the time they need to do something new to it. Signage from the outside, or raising the roof to make it appear taller with natural light added would help immensely. I just worry that STL leadership isn't going to lift a finger until it really starts falling apart.
A new roof concept should be justified based on the type of business such an upgrade would capture and its respective revenue.
That said maintaining the facility is something that should always be done. The facility is used for numerous events and convention. It should not be allowed to 'fall apart'. I don't see a need to replace the roof anytime soon. Just maintain it, its fine.
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This is on the city’s comment portal for rams settlement. First time I’ve seen the director blame the county directly and also some good news on a convention returning
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Well . . . it's pleasant to see some straight talk. I'm not sure it will win any friends, but pretending it didn't happen just encourages that sort of behavior in the future.
And good on getting the convention back!
And good on getting the convention back!
If the county had not held it up would the contractors just have asked for more money midway through?
I also thought the cost increase was tied to the massive increase in interest rates.gone corporate wrote:^Not if a contract had locked in terms.
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Money was bonded at a set rate, which would have been very low if county didn’t drag its feet
Kicking off the 2024 tour here.
I know it's the second leg of a tour, but I wonder if Pink is starting here because she's using the Dome for rehearsals?
I know it's the second leg of a tour, but I wonder if Pink is starting here because she's using the Dome for rehearsals?
Just to be clear on the question.
Is it. She IS using the dome for rehearsals so I wonder if that’s why she is starting here?
Or
Is she going to use the dome for rehearsals here before her tour starts?
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I loving blaming the county but isn’t the blame more precise than that? It IS Rita Days’ fault is it not?
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Rams, ARPA cash could boost convention center expansion in St. Louis
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/business/rams-arpa-cash-could-boost-convention-center-expansion-in-st-louis/article_5f57c5c8-baf1-11ee-b071-8b5ea4066775.html#tracking-source=home-top-storyThe downtown convention center could see an injection of $20 million under a new board bill, boosting expansion efforts after troubles delayed parts of the project for years.
The bill calls for $15 million from interest earned on the city's stake of American Rescue Plan Act funds and $5 million from interest earned on the Rams football settlement.
Alderwoman Cara Spencer of Marine Villa, whose ward includes downtown, is sponsoring the measure, according to a draft of the bill. It's not clear when the bill could be introduced.
The more than $200 million expansion, called AC Next Gen, calls for 23 loading docks, more than double what exists now, and 73,000 square feet of additional exhibit space at Ninth Street and Convention Plaza, on downtown St. Louis’ northern edge.
The expansion will enable the convention to host at least three concurrent events — something the convention center has not been able to do before, officials have said.
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I admit I've never been to a football game in a dome other than our dome. How much better is the football experience in a newer dome, like Minneapolis or Vegas? I've been to a game in KC, and it rained the whole time. But our seats were near the back of the lower bowl just out of the rain. And every time we left to get food or whatever, we'd have to ask folks to get out of our seats. Call me old fashioned, but back in the January playoffs, I was glad we had our warm dry dome.
I see in the Post today, St Louis viewer ratings of the KC Buffalo game were the highest per cent of any city in the US, except KC and Buffalo.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/column/ ... 99441.html
I see in the Post today, St Louis viewer ratings of the KC Buffalo game were the highest per cent of any city in the US, except KC and Buffalo.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/column/ ... 99441.html
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I would tend to agree. The whole open air/natural light argument always seemed like a straw man to just get out of the deal.gary kreie wrote: ↑Jan 25, 2024I admit I've never been to a football game in a dome other than our dome. How much better is the football experience in a newer dome, like Minneapolis or Vegas? I've been to a game in KC, and it rained the whole time. But our seats were near the back of the lower bowl just out of the rain. And every time we left to get food or whatever, we'd have to ask folks to get out of our seats. Call me old fashioned, but back in the January playoffs, I was glad we had our warm dry dome.
If they had said what really move the needle IMHO it would have been
-more premium/box seats
-better lighting
-updated tech
-better vendor stalls
-better team facilities
still doubt they could have gotten there with a reno of the dome (particularly the box seats) but it would have been focusing on the stuff that actual drives an improved experience for both players and fans.
It was moot though because the Rams were moving. They just needed to find a reason to point to that wasn't Stan wants to triple the 'book value' of his franchise by moving them to LA. I feel like with the settlement we got decent severance terms so meh let them go. If he had said i want to leave, I'm gonna give you 400million to let me go without a fight I'd have been in the take the money camp.
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Not sure the dome is that weak on any of those areas or couldn’t be easily updated. Of course now tech needs updates since it’s been 10 years since they left. And that would be easy to update. Even the St Louis proposal to Stan years ago included a large hanging video screen. Folks in premium luxury suites in our dome can watch the game without looking through window glass, unlike KC.
Is there anything else the average fan gets in, say, the Jerry dome that you don’t get in our dome? Other than a translucent lid kept closed for nearly all NFL games? The stands in the Jerry dome are further from the field — revealed when Stan wanted to tear down the East side and rebuilt it further from the field, referencing the Jerry dome.
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Is there anything else the average fan gets in, say, the Jerry dome that you don’t get in our dome? Other than a translucent lid kept closed for nearly all NFL games? The stands in the Jerry dome are further from the field — revealed when Stan wanted to tear down the East side and rebuilt it further from the field, referencing the Jerry dome.
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Bigger spaces, more premium seating and concessions, more technology, natural light. emphasis on better sight lines, etcgary kreie wrote:Not sure the dome is that weak on any of those areas — except tech updates since it’s been 10 years since they left. And that would be easy to update. Even the St Louis proposal to Stan years ago included a large hanging video screen. Folks in premium luxury suites in our dome can watch the game without looking through window glass, unlike KC.
Is there anything else the average fan gets in, say, the Jerry dome that you don’t get in our dome? Other than a translucent lid kept closed for nearly all NFL games? The stands in the Jerry dome are further from the field — revealed when Stan wanted to tear down the East side and rebuilt it further from the field, referencing the Jerry dome.
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Redoing the roof structure to be able to hang a Cowboys stadium sized Jumbotron is hard and expensive.
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Such a pointless debate but you know it might not have ever been top tier or whatever, but it could have been very nice. the premium seating were probably the only reasonable complaint that couldn't be addressed.
Tech updates were fixable, and lets not make it all a big jumbotron measuring contest.
Locker rooms or whatever were doable. I'm sure they could have built more team space if need be by consuming some of the convention center footprint.
There might be something to the sightlines comment though hell if i understand why a newer stadium is appreciably better. Its not like it had a bunch in inconveniently place support posts.
Natural light? Open spaces? Concessions? Who cares watch the gd football game. A game is like 3 hours a week for 3 months a year and they act like the fans all starving claustrophobes that suffer from vitamin D deficiency. Those are just pile on complaints. They would have been irrelevant if they had actually wanted to find a way to stay. They didn't want to stay and thankfully St. Louis got paid out so bye bye.
Tech updates were fixable, and lets not make it all a big jumbotron measuring contest.
Locker rooms or whatever were doable. I'm sure they could have built more team space if need be by consuming some of the convention center footprint.
There might be something to the sightlines comment though hell if i understand why a newer stadium is appreciably better. Its not like it had a bunch in inconveniently place support posts.
Natural light? Open spaces? Concessions? Who cares watch the gd football game. A game is like 3 hours a week for 3 months a year and they act like the fans all starving claustrophobes that suffer from vitamin D deficiency. Those are just pile on complaints. They would have been irrelevant if they had actually wanted to find a way to stay. They didn't want to stay and thankfully St. Louis got paid out so bye bye.
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But it has been shown many times they could hang one whose bottom would be no closer to the field than the one in Dallas. One was in the proposal to Kroenke 10 years ago. Might be a bit shorter and longer. Maybe it could even be a circle.ldai_phs wrote:Bigger spaces, more premium seating and concessions, more technology, natural light. emphasis on better sight lines, etcgary kreie wrote:Not sure the dome is that weak on any of those areas — except tech updates since it’s been 10 years since they left. And that would be easy to update. Even the St Louis proposal to Stan years ago included a large hanging video screen. Folks in premium luxury suites in our dome can watch the game without looking through window glass, unlike KC.
Is there anything else the average fan gets in, say, the Jerry dome that you don’t get in our dome? Other than a translucent lid kept closed for nearly all NFL games? The stands in the Jerry dome are further from the field — revealed when Stan wanted to tear down the East side and rebuilt it further from the field, referencing the Jerry dome.
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Redoing the roof structure to be able to hang a Cowboys stadium sized Jumbotron is hard and expensive.
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It became considerably harder to keep our dome in the top 1/4 when, right after we paid for our entire dome, the NFL started subsidizing new stadiums with hundreds of millions of dollars per stadium. Before that, the pace of building new unsubsidized stadiums was a lot slower.
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It might fit, but would the current structure be able to support it?gary kreie wrote: ↑Jan 26, 2024But it has been shown many times they could hang one whose bottom would be no closer to the field than the one in Dallas. One was in the proposal to Kroenke 10 years ago. Might be a bit shorter and longer. Maybe it could even be a circle.ldai_phs wrote:Bigger spaces, more premium seating and concessions, more technology, natural light. emphasis on better sight lines, etcgary kreie wrote:Not sure the dome is that weak on any of those areas — except tech updates since it’s been 10 years since they left. And that would be easy to update. Even the St Louis proposal to Stan years ago included a large hanging video screen. Folks in premium luxury suites in our dome can watch the game without looking through window glass, unlike KC.
Is there anything else the average fan gets in, say, the Jerry dome that you don’t get in our dome? Other than a translucent lid kept closed for nearly all NFL games? The stands in the Jerry dome are further from the field — revealed when Stan wanted to tear down the East side and rebuilt it further from the field, referencing the Jerry dome.
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Redoing the roof structure to be able to hang a Cowboys stadium sized Jumbotron is hard and expensive.
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Noticed an updated drone shot in that latest link above - looking great.
