she didnt request it and wasnt sure why her name was on the bill....the $20 is for a walkway and i have to idea why a walkway would cost $20mTim wrote: ↑Jan 26, 2024Is the additional money requested by Spencer for the ballroom and western plaza?
What's going on with the plan for the proposed monstrosity of a parking garage west of said plaza (with rooftop dining, LMAO)?
_nomad_ wrote:It might fit, but would the current structure be able to support it?gary kreie wrote: ↑Jan 26, 2024But it has been shown many times they could hang one whose bottom would be no closer to the field than the one in Dallas. One was in the proposal to Kroenke 10 years ago. Might be a bit shorter and longer. Maybe it could even be a circle.ldai_phs wrote: Bigger spaces, more premium seating and concessions, more technology, natural light. emphasis on better sight lines, etc
Redoing the roof structure to be able to hang a Cowboys stadium sized Jumbotron is hard and expensive.
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Kitty Ratcliffe and the CVC proposed a hanging video screen in their proposal to Kroenke 10 years ago, and I’m pretty sure it did not include significant roof structural changes, if any._nomad_ wrote:It might fit, but would the current structure be able to support it?gary kreie wrote: ↑Jan 26, 2024But it has been shown many times they could hang one whose bottom would be no closer to the field than the one in Dallas. One was in the proposal to Kroenke 10 years ago. Might be a bit shorter and longer. Maybe it could even be a circle.ldai_phs wrote: Bigger spaces, more premium seating and concessions, more technology, natural light. emphasis on better sight lines, etc
Redoing the roof structure to be able to hang a Cowboys stadium sized Jumbotron is hard and expensive.
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discussions started with a new roof structure. This article backs that from the Rams side of the aisle. CVC proposed the center hung screen but the team came back with cornerstone screens. I don’t see how a hung screen at the dome would have felt airy and grand in the way that other newer stadiums do.gary kreie wrote:_nomad_ wrote:It might fit, but would the current structure be able to support it?gary kreie wrote: ↑Jan 26, 2024But it has been shown many times they could hang one whose bottom would be no closer to the field than the one in Dallas. One was in the proposal to Kroenke 10 years ago. Might be a bit shorter and longer. Maybe it could even be a circle.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkKitty Ratcliffe and the CVC proposed a hanging video screen in their proposal to Kroenke 10 years ago, and I’m pretty sure it did not include significant roof structural changes, if any._nomad_ wrote:It might fit, but would the current structure be able to support it?gary kreie wrote: ↑Jan 26, 2024But it has been shown many times they could hang one whose bottom would be no closer to the field than the one in Dallas. One was in the proposal to Kroenke 10 years ago. Might be a bit shorter and longer. Maybe it could even be a circle.
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One of the worst parts of being a St. Louis Rams season ticket holder was tailgating on a nice fall day and then going into a windowless tomb to watch bad football. I'll fully admit that during some of those 3-13, 2-14 etc seasons I went in to the stadium late and left early because it was nice outside.gary kreie wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2024I think natural light in a dome is overrated. Especially translucent. Can’t turn it off when you want a blackout concert at 8 pm in the summer. Just put a bunch of bright LEDs behind diffusers and you can’t tell the difference. And make the field as bright as daytime. As they do in Atlanta when the lid is closed.
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Much easier to enjoy when the sky is actually blue and the grass is actually green.dweebe wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2024Real football to me is watched outdoors under God's blue sky and on His green grass: not indoors under a roof on plastic.
The old NFL seasons never ended in November. The 1970 St. Louis Football Cardinals season started later (September 18th) and finished on December 20th.gary kreie wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2024Yep. Football used to end in November except for bowl games in warm climates. And I would have loved the proposed outdoor stadium in St Louis for those months. And a hole in a roof to show a little blue sky isn’t outdoors. Very bright lighting can do wonders. But for NFL night games in January in the rain or snow, you need a dome unless you are in an enclosed luxury skybox. And the NFL rarely opens roofs. Certainly not in January.
So do your comments apply to the XFL crowds in the dome?dweebe wrote:The old NFL seasons never ended in November. The 1970 St. Louis Football Cardinals season started later (September 18th) and finished on December 20th.gary kreie wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2024Yep. Football used to end in November except for bowl games in warm climates. And I would have loved the proposed outdoor stadium in St Louis for those months. And a hole in a roof to show a little blue sky isn’t outdoors. Very bright lighting can do wonders. But for NFL night games in January in the rain or snow, you need a dome unless you are in an enclosed luxury skybox. And the NFL rarely opens roofs. Certainly not in January.
A dome is not needed anywhere outside of Las Vegas, Phoenix plus they're helpful in thunderstorm prone places like Florida, Houston and New Orleans.
Where are the "best" fan bases in the NFL? Teams that play in outside venues in the Chiefs, Bills and Packers.
Domed venues make the fans soft. That's why the TWA/Ed Jones Dome turned into a not good place. There was an older, less exciting contingent that complained to the ushers and made people sit down to stop cheering on defensive third downs. At one point I moved my season tickets down to the 100s. But there was this older gentleman who'd come in before the game and read his Sunday New York Times until kickoff. And when too many people stood to cheer you'd see him rush to the ushers who'd then come up and order us to sit. After that I moved back up to the 400s. When I talked to the ticket red I asked why I mentioned the ushers who made people sit down while cheering. He admitted it's a bad thing but that there's nothing he could do because the orders came from up higher.
This is all a moot point because the NFL is gone and never coming back to St. Louis.
So seems like the capacity was there DESPITE the dome and it was "higher" management was incompetent in cultivating a fanbase.dweebe wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2024He admitted it's a bad thing but that there's nothing he could do because the orders came from up higher.
I want to clarify this was still during Georgia's reign so this wasn't during the Kroenke tanking era. Plus it was other season ticket holders that were unhappy that people were standing up because they thought football should be a sitting event.STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2024So seems like the capacity was there DESPITE the dome and it was "higher" management was incompetent in cultivating a fanbase.dweebe wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2024He admitted it's a bad thing but that there's nothing he could do because the orders came from up higher.
I agree though, it is moot. Never is a long time but the current gen of owners will probably have to be dead before there is even an inkling. That said, its fine. We have the XFL for now and hopefully some sort of B-League football stays viable to serve the hardcore fans of the game. For the A-League elitists and your elderly gentleman there is broadcast games. And for those who just want to draw more people into downtown to support our businesses we now have an MLS team and a few hundred million dollars spending money. I think on the whole it all shook out fairly well for the city.
Pretty sure I saw it twitch.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2024From time to time i come back to this thread to see if there is something new or the same dead horse is still been beaten and it is.
Taller ceilings throughout and a door that is higher up. More concessions and retail spaces. Not just more premium but more varied premium offerings.gary kreie wrote:My original question, since I hadn’t been to other domes, except Astrodome years ago, was what do the new domes offer regular fans that our dome does not. I mainly heard more premium seating and wider concourses. And more natural light. I would only help the upper 400 level seats with a large hanging video screen, and I would install much brighter LED lighting, like daylight. But that’s it.
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I think the sound system has been redone semi recently. New turf is going in later this year.ibleedlou wrote: ↑Feb 05, 2024Natural light is not something I'd consider overrated in a dome, I'd say it's much closer to being essential, than it is overrated (go see a MLB game at Tropicana in Tampa if you want to see what a lack of natural light does to a baseball game). The dome in Stl is dark, the narrow concourses are dark, and the dome took on this dark atmosphere as a result, to include: lousy team play (by design), small video boards, the unattractive all white ceiling, horrid field turf, the subdued light, and if I recall, even the blaring sound system was sub-par. The dome here in MSP almost feels as if there is no roof, and because of this, events here feel completely different than those held at the dome in Stl, but remember, the Rams didn't leave because the dome was dark, they left because they had an out as the dome was no longer a 'top tier' stadium, and probably never was a 'top-tier' stadium, even when it opened.
Yes, I do recall an upgrade to the sound system. New turf can't come soon enough.jshank83 wrote: ↑Feb 05, 2024I think the sound system has been redone semi recently. New turf is going in later this year.ibleedlou wrote: ↑Feb 05, 2024Natural light is not something I'd consider overrated in a dome, I'd say it's much closer to being essential, than it is overrated (go see a MLB game at Tropicana in Tampa if you want to see what a lack of natural light does to a baseball game). The dome in Stl is dark, the narrow concourses are dark, and the dome took on this dark atmosphere as a result, to include: lousy team play (by design), small video boards, the unattractive all white ceiling, horrid field turf, the subdued light, and if I recall, even the blaring sound system was sub-par. The dome here in MSP almost feels as if there is no roof, and because of this, events here feel completely different than those held at the dome in Stl, but remember, the Rams didn't leave because the dome was dark, they left because they had an out as the dome was no longer a 'top tier' stadium, and probably never was a 'top-tier' stadium, even when it opened.
