Was fine the Rams moving to LA though... Just sayin.
I hated it but it was the right business decision.
What was absolutely wrong was they way it was done and how St. Louis was treated.
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The way it was done and how St. Louis was treated was a business decision as well. Would have been the right one but for having to pay 3/4 Billion on the way out. I guess the other owners still cam out alright since Kroenke paid the bill.
My point is only that i wouldn't put any of the owners on a pedestal.
My point is only that i wouldn't put any of the owners on a pedestal.
I've lived in Jacksonville. They were having a really tough time supporting the Jags and there were rumors of relocation even back then. It's also a very conservative town. I'd be surprised if Duval County coughs up a billion in local funds to build a new stadium. I'd say that Tampa and Miami are the only metros that could sustainably support an NFL franchise. Maybe Orlando, but it's only 80 miles from Tampa. Florida is also a heavy transplant state with relatively few major F500 companies. The Florida economy is heavily based on tourism and construction. It may be helping Jacksonville that the NFL is literally the only show in town. I wouldn't be surprised if down the line the team does relocate though. Not 100% sure they would be headed to St. Louis though. I personally would like to see St. Louis get an NBA franchise. More games and more bang for your buck in my opinion.
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The Jaguars may be moving was a shock.gone corporate wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2022Of all teams, it'd be the Chargers, for all the obvious reasons. I would have originally thought the Jaguars,
Right Now St. Louis needs to be putting the dome on 70,000 (up from 66, 000 now) a few lights new colors here and there and we need to host the Superbowl. St. Louis needs it and St. Louis deserves it as the sports town St. Louis is. The Superbowl is an over $10 billion dollar event. Major TV viewing and tickets are in the tens of thousands of dollars. The week of is great for any city that hosts it. We must prepare the city the weeks and few months prior.
will the XFL last past 3 seasons? St. Louis hosting the Superbowl and still looking at an NFL team should not be out of the question. right now, ok XFL, and we are hosting The Superbowl.
February St. Louis is great football weather. St. Louis is sports town and has great tailgaters and cityscape. St. Louis has an enclosed dome so though its cold out and winter weather football weather we offer and all appreciate having an enclosed dome for the sport.
Here are the Super Bowl locations for the next four seasons:
Super Bowl LVI: February 13, 2022, SoFi Stadium, Inglewood, California
Super Bowl LVII: February 12, 2023, State Farm Stadium, Glendale, Arizona
Super Bowl LVIII: 2024, Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas, Nevada
Super Bowl LIX: 2025, Caesars Superdome, New Orleans, Louisiana
2025 used to be open. 2026 We can be ready. its 2022 with much time left as there is talk of bringing XFL 2023.
st. louis can also do some preseasona nd other NFL exhibition games in pre and off season football events in the dome.
walk around 2hrs 2xs a week. walk around downtown its good for ya.
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St. Louis is not getting a Super Bowl without an NFL team. Zero chance. And building a giant NFL sized stadium without an NFL team, when the Dome is just fine for non-NFL events, would be a HUGE waste of money.
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But what if it's coupled with more walking?Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2022St. Louis is not getting a Super Bowl without an NFL team. Zero chance. And building a giant NFL sized stadium without an NFL team, when the Dome is just fine for non-NFL events, would be a HUGE waste of money.
...and even if we did get an NFL team and a new stadium, the odds of St. Louis being awarded a Super Bowl would still be very slim.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2022St. Louis is not getting a Super Bowl without an NFL team. Zero chance. And building a giant NFL sized stadium without an NFL team, when the Dome is just fine for non-NFL events, would be a HUGE waste of money.
In the entire history of the Super Bowl, only 3 non-coastal cities north of Atlanta have ever hosted the event - Detroit, Indianapolis, and Minneapolis. And all three of them have/had indoor climate-controlled stadia (which presumably was the only reason they were even eligible to bid). The only northern city with an outdoor stadium to ever host a Super Bowl is East Rutheford, NJ, which has the benefit of being located within the largest metropolitan area in the nation. Kansas City was conditionally awarded a Super Bowl when they first announced plans to renovate Truman Sports Complex, contingent on the inclusion of a rolling retractable roof that was going to be shared by Arrowhead and Kauffmann Stadiums. Once plans for the roof were nixed, the NFL pulled the SB offer off the table.
So, without an NFL franchise and a brand new fully climate-controlled stadium that would cost well over a billion dollars, there's no chance STL will be hosting a Super Bowl anytime soon. Or likely ever, to be honest.
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With full and absolute recognition that STL is NOT going to be a Super Bowl host city for a considerably long time, and that arguing about it is moot...
The Dome remains a very good place for other sports championship games; I'm especially thinking about NCAA Basketball.
I remember watching Sweet 16 men's games at the Dome, as well as STL being host of the Final Four in 2005. If we were to focus on hosting a major sports event on a more regular basis, I say it should be college basketball. It's also important to note that both men's and women's NCAA basketball championships are huge events for which we can compete consistently to be a host venue.
* Related: Further opportunities exist for STL hosting the Frozen Four (NCAA Hockey Championship), even though we don't have a major Division I hockey college within 300 miles, while also recognizing that STL is a great hockey town already, and that Lindenwood University's men's hockey program goes Division I this fall. We last hosted the Frozen Four in 2007, and we will host it again in 2025 at the Enterprise Center. So, not at the Dome, but it's worth noting all the same.
* Related 2: NCAA Soccer, both men's and women's championships, could be prospective tournaments to host at Centene Stadium after it opens.
The Dome remains a very good place for other sports championship games; I'm especially thinking about NCAA Basketball.
I remember watching Sweet 16 men's games at the Dome, as well as STL being host of the Final Four in 2005. If we were to focus on hosting a major sports event on a more regular basis, I say it should be college basketball. It's also important to note that both men's and women's NCAA basketball championships are huge events for which we can compete consistently to be a host venue.
* Related: Further opportunities exist for STL hosting the Frozen Four (NCAA Hockey Championship), even though we don't have a major Division I hockey college within 300 miles, while also recognizing that STL is a great hockey town already, and that Lindenwood University's men's hockey program goes Division I this fall. We last hosted the Frozen Four in 2007, and we will host it again in 2025 at the Enterprise Center. So, not at the Dome, but it's worth noting all the same.
* Related 2: NCAA Soccer, both men's and women's championships, could be prospective tournaments to host at Centene Stadium after it opens.
The problem is the Dome can't compete against domes in Atlanta, Minnesota, LA etc. Plus Indianapolis is always going to get games because that's the NCAA headquarters. And New Orleans will always be in the mix.gone corporate wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2022With full and absolute recognition that STL is NOT going to be a Super Bowl host city for a considerably long time, and that arguing about it is moot...
The Dome remains a very good place for other sports championship games; I'm especially thinking about NCAA Basketball.
I remember watching Sweet 16 men's games at the Dome, as well as STL being host of the Final Four in 2005. If we were to focus on hosting a major sports event on a more regular basis, I say it should be college basketball. It's also important to note that both men's and women's NCAA basketball championships are huge events for which we can compete consistently to be a host venue.
* Related: Further opportunities exist for STL hosting the Frozen Four (NCAA Hockey Championship), even though we don't have a major Division I hockey college within 300 miles, while also recognizing that STL is a great hockey town already, and that Lindenwood University's men's hockey program goes Division I this fall. We last hosted the Frozen Four in 2007, and we will host it again in 2025 at the Enterprise Center. So, not at the Dome, but it's worth noting all the same.
* Related 2: NCAA Soccer, both men's and women's championships, could be prospective tournaments to host at Centene Stadium after it opens.
The Enterprise Center gets men's wrestling every couple of years. IIRC they even made a play for St. Louis to be the permanent host the way Omaha has college baseball, but that talk died down.
I doubt the CVC really doesn't want to think much about the dome in the near term other then how to book events from XFL games to monster truck rallies to concerts, our large exhibition space for the bigger conventions. In the meantime, the focus will be on current expansion plans
I do agree with Dweebe, dome has and will continue to have a tough time competing with other regional domes for the NCAA basketball march madness and other NCAA national events. Instead, the region has much more success with Enterprise Center landing NCAA events, including wrestling as Dweebe noted and frozen four years ago (took my dad to watch his alma mater University of North Dakota play that year). So it really leaves XFL and localized sporting events for the dome.
In the long term, CVC will have to make a decision on either plowing some money into dome and or knockdown for phase III expansion that is curtailed more towards conventions vs sporting events, or vice versa. Right now the dome is a jack of all trades that certainly has short comings depending on the event for the moment. My two cents is that it will make sense to demo say in 5 years or so when current expansion is completed.
I do agree with Dweebe, dome has and will continue to have a tough time competing with other regional domes for the NCAA basketball march madness and other NCAA national events. Instead, the region has much more success with Enterprise Center landing NCAA events, including wrestling as Dweebe noted and frozen four years ago (took my dad to watch his alma mater University of North Dakota play that year). So it really leaves XFL and localized sporting events for the dome.
In the long term, CVC will have to make a decision on either plowing some money into dome and or knockdown for phase III expansion that is curtailed more towards conventions vs sporting events, or vice versa. Right now the dome is a jack of all trades that certainly has short comings depending on the event for the moment. My two cents is that it will make sense to demo say in 5 years or so when current expansion is completed.
They can also give it as an option for bands/artists to practice for stadium tours. For a long while Hersheypark Stadium was always that as bands like U2, Bon Jovi and Rolling Stones have all warmed up there. But it's outdoors.dredger wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2022I doubt the CVC really doesn't want to think much about the dome in the near term other then how to book events from XFL games to monster truck rallies to concerts, our large exhibition space for the bigger conventions. In the meantime, the focus will be on current expansion plans
I do agree with Dweebe, dome has and will continue to have a tough time competing with other regional domes for the NCAA basketball march madness and other NCAA national events. Instead, the region has much more success with Enterprise Center landing NCAA events, including wrestling as Dweebe noted and frozen four years ago (took my dad to watch his alma mater University of North Dakota play that year). So it really leaves XFL and localized sporting events for the dome.
In the long term, CVC will have to make a decision on either plowing some money into dome and or knockdown for phase III expansion that is curtailed more towards conventions vs sporting events, or vice versa. Right now the dome is a jack of all trades that certainly has short comings depending on the event for the moment. My two cents is that it will make sense to demo say in 5 years or so when current expansion is completed.
(Rage Against the Machine used the Enterprise Center as a warmup in early June even they don't have a real concert here until next year. They were so tight they wouldn't let any of the Blues or Levy people during their rehearsal time.)
The Alamodome in San Antonio is getting a upcoming final four so that gives me a little hope they could still get one here. But obviously not very likely.
$1.4M demo permit application submitted for demo of the parking garage at 701 N 7th. That's on top of the $4.9M the public paid for it. Shame car parkers weren't charged a little extra to put into escrow for the cost of the inevitable demo. Yet another car subsidy.
Which bucket did that $4.9 million come out of?quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2022$1.4M demo permit application submitted for demo of the parking garage at 701 N 7th. That's on top of the $4.9M the public paid for it. Shame car parkers weren't charged a little extra to put into escrow for the cost of the inevitable demo. Yet another car subsidy.
And trying to spend who knows how much on a new garage at block 177 to replace it, but of course it's not worth investigating alternatives because St Louis is a driving city and it's pointless to try to change that according to the treasurer's office
The city via the St. Louis Municipal Finance Corp
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... ration.cfm
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... ration.cfm
Thanks.quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2022The city via the St. Louis Municipal Finance Corp
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... ration.cfm
Who made the profit flipping the garage for a profit on the taxpayers backs?
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Not to mention Lindenwood football could play OOC games against big time P5 programs at the Dome. Screw the NFL. We shouldn’t want those unsavory a**holes back.gone corporate wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2022With full and absolute recognition that STL is NOT going to be a Super Bowl host city for a considerably long time, and that arguing about it is moot...
The Dome remains a very good place for other sports championship games; I'm especially thinking about NCAA Basketball.
I remember watching Sweet 16 men's games at the Dome, as well as STL being host of the Final Four in 2005. If we were to focus on hosting a major sports event on a more regular basis, I say it should be college basketball. It's also important to note that both men's and women's NCAA basketball championships are huge events for which we can compete consistently to be a host venue.
* Related: Further opportunities exist for STL hosting the Frozen Four (NCAA Hockey Championship), even though we don't have a major Division I hockey college within 300 miles, while also recognizing that STL is a great hockey town already, and that Lindenwood University's men's hockey program goes Division I this fall. We last hosted the Frozen Four in 2007, and we will host it again in 2025 at the Enterprise Center. So, not at the Dome, but it's worth noting all the same.
* Related 2: NCAA Soccer, both men's and women's championships, could be prospective tournaments to host at Centene Stadium after it opens.
No P5 team is playing Lindenwood at the Dome. No FBS team is playing Lindenwood at the dome.nationalpastime82 wrote: ↑Aug 17, 2022Not to mention Lindenwood football could play OOC games against big time P5 programs at the Dome. Screw the NFL. We shouldn’t want those unsavory a**holes back.gone corporate wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2022With full and absolute recognition that STL is NOT going to be a Super Bowl host city for a considerably long time, and that arguing about it is moot...
The Dome remains a very good place for other sports championship games; I'm especially thinking about NCAA Basketball.
I remember watching Sweet 16 men's games at the Dome, as well as STL being host of the Final Four in 2005. If we were to focus on hosting a major sports event on a more regular basis, I say it should be college basketball. It's also important to note that both men's and women's NCAA basketball championships are huge events for which we can compete consistently to be a host venue.
* Related: Further opportunities exist for STL hosting the Frozen Four (NCAA Hockey Championship), even though we don't have a major Division I hockey college within 300 miles, while also recognizing that STL is a great hockey town already, and that Lindenwood University's men's hockey program goes Division I this fall. We last hosted the Frozen Four in 2007, and we will host it again in 2025 at the Enterprise Center. So, not at the Dome, but it's worth noting all the same.
* Related 2: NCAA Soccer, both men's and women's championships, could be prospective tournaments to host at Centene Stadium after it opens.
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Are you a psychic ?jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 18, 2022No P5 team is playing Lindenwood at the Dome. No FBS team is playing Lindenwood at the dome.nationalpastime82 wrote: ↑Aug 17, 2022Not to mention Lindenwood football could play OOC games against big time P5 programs at the Dome. Screw the NFL. We shouldn’t want those unsavory a**holes back.gone corporate wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2022With full and absolute recognition that STL is NOT going to be a Super Bowl host city for a considerably long time, and that arguing about it is moot...
The Dome remains a very good place for other sports championship games; I'm especially thinking about NCAA Basketball.
I remember watching Sweet 16 men's games at the Dome, as well as STL being host of the Final Four in 2005. If we were to focus on hosting a major sports event on a more regular basis, I say it should be college basketball. It's also important to note that both men's and women's NCAA basketball championships are huge events for which we can compete consistently to be a host venue.
* Related: Further opportunities exist for STL hosting the Frozen Four (NCAA Hockey Championship), even though we don't have a major Division I hockey college within 300 miles, while also recognizing that STL is a great hockey town already, and that Lindenwood University's men's hockey program goes Division I this fall. We last hosted the Frozen Four in 2007, and we will host it again in 2025 at the Enterprise Center. So, not at the Dome, but it's worth noting all the same.
* Related 2: NCAA Soccer, both men's and women's championships, could be prospective tournaments to host at Centene Stadium after it opens.
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What exactly is wrong with the dome vs. other stadiums. It has a lid and can control the light levels even in daytime. Close to restaurants. Stones and Garth started nationwide tours there. Are you saying it needs to be in a different location? Such as Riverport? Is that what makes it non-competitive?dredger wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2022I doubt the CVC really doesn't want to think much about the dome in the near term other then how to book events from XFL games to monster truck rallies to concerts, our large exhibition space for the bigger conventions. In the meantime, the focus will be on current expansion plans
I do agree with Dweebe, dome has and will continue to have a tough time competing with other regional domes for the NCAA basketball march madness and other NCAA national events. Instead, the region has much more success with Enterprise Center landing NCAA events, including wrestling as Dweebe noted and frozen four years ago (took my dad to watch his alma mater University of North Dakota play that year). So it really leaves XFL and localized sporting events for the dome.
In the long term, CVC will have to make a decision on either plowing some money into dome and or knockdown for phase III expansion that is curtailed more towards conventions vs sporting events, or vice versa. Right now the dome is a jack of all trades that certainly has short comings depending on the event for the moment. My two cents is that it will make sense to demo say in 5 years or so when current expansion is completed.
^ Not at all Gary. I think it just as competitive at current location and I for one wouldn't move it nor does it make sense for CVC/RSA to manage another space in differetn location
What I'm saying is that due to the age and what convention center feels the best use is that a decision on make In other words, the powers to be will need to make a decision on either doubling down to improve or make upgrades to dome and or really think about demo. Another way to put, how many events actually fill the dome each year and what revenues? How many more days and various events can the make use of the dome if they spent X dollars?
What I'm saying is that due to the age and what convention center feels the best use is that a decision on make In other words, the powers to be will need to make a decision on either doubling down to improve or make upgrades to dome and or really think about demo. Another way to put, how many events actually fill the dome each year and what revenues? How many more days and various events can the make use of the dome if they spent X dollars?
In this case. Yes.nationalpastime82 wrote: ↑Aug 18, 2022Are you a psychic ?jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 18, 2022No P5 team is playing Lindenwood at the Dome. No FBS team is playing Lindenwood at the dome.nationalpastime82 wrote: ↑Aug 17, 2022Not to mention Lindenwood football could play OOC games against big time P5 programs at the Dome. Screw the NFL. We shouldn’t want those unsavory a**holes back.