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PostJul 14, 2022#2251

Alderwoman Pihl is my representative here in the 17th Ward. When she took office, I was very ready to watch her perform in the job. She had her shot, and she took it. Unfortunately, she has continued to miss open layups. She's a decent person, a good human with well-meaning intent. Same time, it's becoming quite obvious that she's just not qualified to actually do the job she was elected to do. 
STLAPTS wrote:Let’s start an UrbanSTL PAC to support a candidate to run against Pihl. I will pitch in 10k. Yes. I’m serious.
I can absolutely see this forum - or a related entity - flexing media muscle to call for new elected leadership in STL. And, while I don't have a viable successor candidate in mind for the Ward, I'll gladly further these efforts. Very much, I'd be glad to be in these conversations. 

Two questions (*not seeking answers posted back in this thread at risk of going off-track*): 
1. Those not in the 17th Ward, can you reach out to your aldermanic representatives and ask them to intervene here? Specifically, can you ask them to set aldermanic courtesy aside and actually do something? Sure would be interesting to know who steps up and who wouldn't. 
2. Has anyone on this site ever considered running for office? Times like these are great opportunities to contribute to the City and the community. Remember Scott Ogilve. 

Just a couple thoughts...

PostJul 14, 2022#2252

In other Cortex news... 

STL Biz Journal: Downtown startup moving to Cortex
Meeting planning company Filament, founded in 2015, will occupy less space at Cortex, about 9,000 square feet, than the 20,000 square feet the company currently leases at the Ely Walker Lofts building at 1518 Washington Ave. The company originally operated out of 10,000 square feet on Washington Avenue, but signed a lease in late 2018 to double that space.

But the new location in Cortex’s 4220 building in the Central West End will allow Filament to more actively work with Cortex companies to improve meetings, officials said. The company designs, facilitates and hosts collaborative meetings, retreats and offsite meetings that help “smart people think together better,” according to a news release. In 2020, the company pivoted to assist companies that want to improve virtual meetings.

Filament will start holding meetings in the Cortex office as soon as August and has budgeted $200,000 for the design and build-out of the former Innovation Hall, an event venue once used for some gatherings by Venture Cafe.

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PostJul 15, 2022#2253

Jones signals support for Cortex as St. Louis tech district faces uncertainty over incentives
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... d53f0.html

Jones seems to have her head on straight…

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PostJul 15, 2022#2254

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Alderwoman Pihl is my representative here in the 17th Ward. When she took office, I was very ready to watch her perform in the job. She had her shot, and she took it. Unfortunately, she has continued to miss open layups. She's a decent person, a good human with well-meaning intent. Same time, it's becoming quite obvious that she's just not qualified to actually do the job she was elected to do. 
I'm not following this situation as closely as others so I'm asking this with all sincerity, but what exactly is she doing that makes her unqualified for the job? What are the layups? Sounds like some folks (not necessarily you, gone corporate) are frustrated because she's not returning phone calls quick enough to developers? Sure, I get that's frustrating and rubs people the wrong way (on this board, in particular) but aldermen have all sorts of responsibilities beyond development in their ward.

To that end, its the busiest ward in the city in terms of development and likely the busiest in many other areas of aldermanic-responsibility. Pihl is simply saying its more than a part-time job and aldermen have no support. Feels problematic to penalize her for highlighting a systems level issue. If we penalize her for being stretched too thin, are we only saying we only want people who can dedicate full-time energy to a defined part-time role? Aldermen shouldn't have those types of barriers to entry. Based on what others have shared, seems like Roddy was able to effectively foster development due to relationships built up over many years and having Park Central play a unique (possibly problematic?) role in screening proposals. 

Again, I'm not following this as closely as others and I can't speak to all the accusations, but I'm also surprised at some of the criticism. If anything, I think we should first take her concerns more seriously and look into supporting our elected officials more/build a better development process city-wide before chasing out a trained urban planner and someone who obviously wants to build a better St. Louis. 

Last thought, this general conversation is happening across multiple forums right now. It may make sense to consolidate elsewhere...

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PostJul 19, 2022#2255

It's fine if you believe the system is bad and should be changed.  Whats not good is when you blow up the old system and then dont give people a new system to follow.   I think the story about a private developer reaching out to another developer to give him a letter of approval is far more worrying then Park Central playing a major role in development. It's fine if she feels overwhelmed, but it was obvious this was massive part of the job when she signed up to run for it.

This will be a full time job next year.  And her ward will be double the size.  If she's not ready for that we need to find somebody who is because we cant waste 5 years on slowing down the redevelopment of this area.

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PostJul 21, 2022#2256

Agreed on the private developer's role and the lack of a replacement system. I've also got questions and we should know more about what's happening.

The only part I'll push back on (and this goes to my earlier point) is that shepherding development is a "massive part of the job". I realize some will say that development is necessarily a larger part of her job given her ward but should it be? Ideally, development should not be a bigger part of an alderman's job than anything else in their purview. Without Park Central as a catchall for development in the ward, I'm not surprised she's overwhelmed. The real question is whether she should be penalized for admitting as much? I'm not sure that's constructive or leads to outcomes most of us desire. Plus, how long has she even been in office? A year or so? And folks already want to chase her out?

Overall, I think those calling her incompetent or incapable are missing the forest for the trees. We obviously all care about development on this forum and want to see it happen asap but her ward elected her to reform the development process (among many other things). We probably all agree on some level that there are better ways to do it (and we should keep adding our voices to the conversation) but it was always going to be messy. Plus, her stand may lead to wider, necessary reforms. 

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PostJul 21, 2022#2257

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Agreed on the private developer's role and the lack of a replacement system. I've also got questions and we should know more about what's happening.

The only part I'll push back on (and this goes to my earlier point) is that shepherding development is a "massive part of the job". I realize some will say that development is necessarily a larger part of her job given her ward but should it be? Ideally, development should not be a bigger part of an alderman's job than anything else in their purview. Without Park Central as a catchall for development in the ward, I'm not surprised she's overwhelmed. The real question is whether she should be penalized for admitting as much? I'm not sure that's constructive or leads to outcomes most of us desire. Plus, how long has she even been in office? A year or so? And folks already want to chase her out?

Overall, I think those calling her incompetent or incapable are missing the forest for the trees. We obviously all care about development on this forum and want to see it happen asap but her ward elected her to reform the development process (among many other things). We probably all agree on some level that there are better ways to do it (and we should keep adding our voices to the conversation) but it was always going to be messy. Plus, her stand may lead to wider, necessary reforms. 
I agree - I dont think aldermen (or neighborhood associations) should play a large role in development. Ideally there's a citywide process. 

But she is the one who changed the process away from Park Central and is the one who wants everything to go through her (from my understanding). I'm not going to give her a ton of grace. If she didn't want this to be part of her job, she could've left the system as is. But she wanted to change it, so she did,  and is now saying she's overwhelmed - a problem she created.  I hope she gets it fixed but this isnt it. 

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PostJul 21, 2022#2258

I'm not a developer but have some minor experience coming from the Government Relations side of one of the Cortex partners. My understanding is that Joe Rubberstamp Roddy didn't review much of anything (least of all projects driven by BJC/WUSM), provided the NIA was on board (a mere formality), and was very helpful moving things along with the rest of the board and the bureaucracy. This arguably was the right approach given the positive growth in the ward during his tenure, but there's a strong case to be made that a more judicious approach is now warranted.

Given that Roddy ran the show with an open hand, so to speak, for so long, it shouldn't be surprising that it's taking a new alderperson some time to find their feet, especially given the antiquated manner by which everything is done in our fair city. And I would assume she also has a day job, as most of them do.

Based on the Ray Hartmann piece in last week's RFT, Ald. Pihl's resume suggests she's overqualified for the job, including the development aspect of it. Assuming that's the case, and if she takes her job seriously and is actually taking the time to evaluate these projects, then it shouldn't be a surprise that she's hit a backlog and its taking much longer than when Roddy was in charge. I understand this must be frustrating--nobody likes being made to work or wait for something they're used to getting right away with no questions asked--but to me it seems absolutely necessary if the goal is more purposeful and prudent development, especially for projects requesting or receiving public subsidy, like Cortex. 

This is a development driven by the most wealthy and powerful institutions and individuals in the region, with the support of the State and the feds, and with two decades of local support as well. It's arguably the hottest piece of action in the game. It seems reasonable to me, as a mere observer. that its time to take the thumb of the city taxpayer off the scale and let the private market determine its future. Maybe Ald. Pihl will reach a different conclusion based on her documented expertise. We'll just have to wait.

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PostJul 22, 2022#2259

^ Well said. At the end of the day, I'm just skeptical this was ever going to be a smooth process once the residents of the 17th ward elected Pihl to reform the process. It was always going to be messy. 

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PostJul 23, 2022#2260

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I'm not a developer but have some minor experience coming from the Government Relations side of one of the Cortex partners. My understanding is that Joe Rubberstamp Roddy didn't review much of anything (least of all projects driven by BJC/WUSM), provided the NIA was on board (a mere formality), and was very helpful moving things along with the rest of the board and the bureaucracy. This arguably was the right approach given the positive growth in the ward during his tenure, but there's a strong case to be made that a more judicious approach is now warranted.

Given that Roddy ran the show with an open hand, so to speak, for so long, it shouldn't be surprising that it's taking a new alderperson some time to find their feet, especially given the antiquated manner by which everything is done in our fair city. And I would assume she also has a day job, as most of them do.

Based on the Ray Hartmann piece in last week's RFT, Ald. Pihl's resume suggests she's overqualified for the job, including the development aspect of it. Assuming that's the case, and if she takes her job seriously and is actually taking the time to evaluate these projects, then it shouldn't be a surprise that she's hit a backlog and its taking much longer than when Roddy was in charge. I understand this must be frustrating--nobody likes being made to work or wait for something they're used to getting right away with no questions asked--but to me it seems absolutely necessary if the goal is more purposeful and prudent development, especially for projects requesting or receiving public subsidy, like Cortex. 

This is a development driven by the most wealthy and powerful institutions and individuals in the region, with the support of the State and the feds, and with two decades of local support as well. It's arguably the hottest piece of action in the game. It seems reasonable to me, as a mere observer. that its time to take the thumb of the city taxpayer off the scale and let the private market determine its future. Maybe Ald. Pihl will reach a different conclusion based on her documented expertise. We'll just have to wait.
I think the issue to me is the lack of communication. If things are backlogged, that is what it is, but there are way to many developers saying they can’t even get ahold of Pihl or get responses. I also don’t think someone building something simple like a house should have much of a wait to get it approved. I understand a big building being slower but a house and smaller stuf like that should be quick.

But then again I don’t think an alder should be the one determining (or having to give their blessing) to what gets built or not on the first place in most cases.

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PostJul 23, 2022#2261

Does anyone know what her day job is in general terms?  Not asking employer, or trying dox, just want to know if she has a high demand day job that is preventing her from giving her ward the energy and attention it commands.

I disagree with the people asserting that "it was bound to be messy."  This is untrue.  You either leave the mechanisms in place until your reforms are ready for roll out, or you put in the time before you take office to have a plan in place for when you take your seat.  No functional enterprise would eliminate their customer service department (maybe Lux did/has?) which is effectively what she did. 

If you accept this mess then you aren't willing to hold local officials to account.  She was voted in to reform, not burn the old method to the ground and watch her ward's development stall and crater. 

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PostJul 23, 2022#2262

A Yale and MIT educated architect and urban planner with extensive career in community development and transportation planning is beyond qualified for something like the 17th ward. Since 2015 she seems to be mostly working as an independent contractor
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PostJul 24, 2022#2263

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I disagree with the people asserting that "it was bound to be messy."  This is untrue.  You either leave the mechanisms in place until your reforms are ready for roll out, or you put in the time before you take office to have a plan in place for when you take your seat.  No functional enterprise would eliminate their customer service department (maybe Lux did/has?) which is effectively what she did. 
Why would you leave the mechanisms in place if you believe them to be unhelpful or even harmful? Again, I don't know all the promises that were made, etc. but folks on this board are assuming her constituents care about development in the same way we do - that development under the old model is better than no development at all. We can disagree with that but if she was elected to end certain development practices in the 17th ward then it may very well be true. 

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PostAug 10, 2022#2264

STL Biz Journal: 'This is vital': Key meeting set on subsidies for Cortex development

Cortex has its $200MM TIF still outstanding since 2013. There's still around $79MM of it, noting inaction during the Covid-19 pandemic. Second week of September, they're seeking an outlay of $4.6MM for improvements to Sarah Street in furtherance of the $50.5MM Cortex K development. They're also seeking to retain the balance of the unspent TIF funds for future developments that weren't able to be accomplished in the past few years. 

However... Alderwoman Pihl, whose 17th Ward includes Cortex (side note: my home, too), is "balking" at any further outlays. She's wanting Cortex to have a new TIF deal even though the existing TIF deal is still active until February next year. Also, certain City TIF commissioners are talking about new requirements, such as women-owned and minority-owned firms in Cortex, plus redrawing Cortex K to have more affordable housing (they've already shrunk their original plans for the site because of costs), all while saying Cortex's TIF takes monies from schools, no matter how accretive net revenues contribute to school funding. Also, certain commissioners are apprehensive about Cortex retaining its TIF funding going forward if final plans for all allotments aren't already written. 

Sam Fiorello, Cortex President & CEO, on the TIF: "This is vital." Regarding Alderwoman Pihl, he said, "We have a package in front of her that I think is incredibly fair and shows our alignment with her ambitions to have intentionality in all the investments." It also includes $250K of Cortex monies going to the Affordable Housing Trust Fund. 

Also, Fiorello stated that Mayor Jones' office and the SLDC have been quite helpful in furthering Cortex retaining its TIF, including bringing a bill to the Board of Aldermen in September or October (check the post by @sc4mayor above for a Post-Dispatch article on the Mayor's support). Fiorello, however, wouldn't comment on whether or not another alderman could or would bring this to the BoA if Pihl doesn't...


Alderwoman Pihl: Get this done already, dammit! We your constituents are tired of your lollygagging and dragging things nowhere! 
DON'T KILL CORTEX!  

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PostAug 10, 2022#2265

gone corporate wrote:STL Biz Journal: 'This is vital': Key meeting set on subsidies for Cortex development

Cortex has its $200MM TIF still outstanding since 2013. There's still around $79MM of it, noting inaction during the Covid-19 pandemic. Second week of September, they're seeking an outlay of $4.6MM for improvements to Sarah Street in furtherance of the $50.5MM Cortex K development. They're also seeking to retain the balance of the unspent TIF funds for future developments that weren't able to be accomplished in the past few years. 

However... Alderwoman Pihl, whose 17th Ward includes Cortex (side note: my home, too), is "balking" at any further outlays. She's wanting Cortex to have a new TIF deal even though the existing TIF deal is still active until February next year. Also, certain City TIF commissioners are talking about new requirements, such as women-owned and minority-owned firms in Cortex, plus redrawing Cortex K to have more affordable housing (they've already shrunk their original plans for the site because of costs), all while saying Cortex's TIF takes monies from schools, no matter how accretive net revenues contribute to school funding. Also, certain commissioners are apprehensive about Cortex retaining its TIF funding going forward if final plans for all allotments aren't already written. 

Sam Fiorello, Cortex President & CEO, on the TIF: "This is vital." Regarding Alderwoman Pihl, he said, "We have a package in front of her that I think is incredibly fair and shows our alignment with her ambitions to have intentionality in all the investments." It also includes $250K of Cortex monies going to the Affordable Housing Trust Fund. 

Also, Fiorello stated that Mayor Jones' office and the SLDC have been quite helpful in furthering Cortex retaining its TIF, including bringing a bill to the Board of Aldermen in September or October (check the post by @sc4mayor above for a Post-Dispatch article on the Mayor's support). Fiorello, however, wouldn't comment on whether or not another alderman could or would bring this to the BoA if Pihl doesn't...


Alderwoman Pihl: Get this done already, dammit! We your constituents are tired of your lollygagging and dragging things nowhere! 
DON'T KILL CORTEX!  
I wonder if she could be seen as legally liable for the lost value/damages if she forces their agreed TIF amount to lapse? Just hard to imagine how she can renege on a previous and still active agreement.

Of course, nothing really surprises me with her anymore and as a fellow constituent of hers, I continue to be perpetually pissed off.


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PostAug 10, 2022#2266

I mean she is obviously trying to use what she perceives as her ability to veto negotiations of future TIF authority to influence developments undertaken with the existing authority. Yet another example of aldermanic courtesy run amuck. It's been remarked that Alderwoman Pihl has an impressive background in urban planning. Apparently she has spent her career learning best how to make herself a roadblock to future development.

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PostAug 10, 2022#2267

Can someone educate me on how these deals work? Does each action within the context of a multi-year TIF have to go through a separate approval process? So if its 200M/10 years, does each chunk of that amount or stage of the project require review/approval/appropriation? Or does the whole 200MM (or whatever's left after fees, taxes, etc.) get disbursed for use at once to be used as needed within the terms of the agreement?

On a slightly different note, a couple posts above GC drops the phrase "accretive net revenues contribute to school funding," Can someone help me better understand the direct impact of TIFs on property tax collections in a given year, i.e., for a given TIF, does the city still assess and collect the tax but instead of using it to cover the "regular" expenses funded by property taxes, e.g., schools, its redistributed it to bondholders, the TIF entity, etc.? For abatements, I understand the additional tax on improvements simply isn't assessed (or is only partially assessed) for the duration of the abatement, correct?

I think I know the answers but don't have any direct experience or expertise and don't want to assume. Always happy to read the primary sources on my own time if someone can direct me to them.

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PostAug 10, 2022#2268

Yes, typically in a TIF 100% of the new property taxes and 50% of the new sales taxes are paid, but go to pay off the TIF bonds not to the gov'ts that usually get them.

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PostAug 10, 2022#2269

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Yes, typically in a TIF 100% of the new property taxes and 50% of the new sales taxes are paid, but go to pay off the TIF bonds not to the gov'ts that usually get them.
Thanks! Are sales taxes always part of these deal or is that something unique to Cortex? Thanks again.

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PostAug 10, 2022#2270

I think they almost always are. The fact that it's 50% in the incentive for many a muni to participate in the sales tax chase through TIF'd retail to move taxable sales across muni boarders, also known as the TIF Wars.

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PostAug 10, 2022#2271

Got it, thanks. Appreciate the context re TIF wars; such a destructive practice.

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PostAug 11, 2022#2272

^It still burns my crank that West County Center was one of the first properties in the state to make use of a TIF. It was so blighted the golfless course was going to sink into 270 beneath the befelched bird.

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PostAug 11, 2022#2273

I’ve soured to these types of arrangements. Larger deals elsewhere in the city are moving forward, more quickly, with/without individual incentive agreements.

I think Cortex has served its purpose. It stabilized infrastructure, developed a few key resources, and gave the area vision. They should continue to facilitate an inclusive and innovative community.

Is it time to release most of their land bank and let the market grow the area organically?

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PostAug 11, 2022#2274

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I’ve soured to these types of arrangements. Larger deals elsewhere in the city are moving forward, more quickly, with/without individual incentive agreements.

I think Cortex has served its purpose. It stabilized infrastructure, developed a few key resources, and gave the area vision. They should continue to facilitate an inclusive and innovative community.

Is it time to release most of their land bank and let the market grow the area organically?
Absolutely not. The largest and wealthiest institutions in the metro area definitely still need state/local subsidies to grow the City's most successful development corridor... /S

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PostAug 11, 2022#2275

When will the baby be old enough to wean off the incentives? It’s been like 2 decades.

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