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PostMar 21, 2022#351

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"The Garage" will be the name of the music venue at the Graffiti Garage and neighboring biergarten. The Game 6 Brothers will be the operators. 
 
Instagram profile: https://www.instagram.com/thegaragestl/

Also, ownership of the Beale on Broadway changed. Can't wait to share what's going to happen there! 

Lastly, I have tapped a KC Architecture firm to envision a masterplan for "Chouteau's Quarter". It'll lay out what several stakeholders hope the area ends up looking like within a decade with or without Chouteau's Landing happening, I'm moving full steam ahead on the grander district. Right now, the master plan will focus on massing and exact numbers rather than actual design. 
This is awesome. What kind of music will they be hosting?  Blues and Jazz to fit the theme of the other bars there?  Or something else to stick out?  Touring bands?  locals? Hopefully not just cover bands to appeal to the bros downtown for post-baseball game stuff... 
Primarily country music. It should fit well with their brand. Other types of music will be there as well but expect mostly country at the Garage and Honky Tonk. Expect Blues and Jazz at Broadway Oyster Bar, BB's and Beale.
Thanks!  I didn't even notice the instagram post was by "Thehonkytonkstl", which would have suggested country. That said, I also didn't the name of the corner bar was The Honky Tonk Stl; I thought it was still that liquor branded bar that seemed like a bar rescue place.  Shows what I know.

But... will the Garage be a new separate place or is the Honky Tonk place moving?  If we are going by genres based on the name of the venue, I would 1000% support a garage rock place, but I am guessing that's unlikely.  (Also I don't know who The Game 6 Brothers are, so I have no idea what their "brand" is). 

More live music is always good (unless it is always cover bands and/or bachelorette piano bar places - both undermine healthy local music scenes). 

Thanks!!
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PostMar 22, 2022#352

I really think this strip has the potential to transform the area just south of Downtown, and possibly even help with a Chouteau's Landing revival, if done right. So many cool music places near each other. 

Are there any plans for the building connected to The Garage that has been gutted empty? It's such an eyesore.

PostMar 22, 2022#353

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 This is awesome. What kind of music will they be hosting?  Blues and Jazz to fit the theme of the other bars there?  Or something else to stick out?  Touring bands?  locals? Hopefully not just cover bands to appeal to the bros downtown for post-baseball game stuff... 
Primarily country music. It should fit well with their brand. Other types of music will be there as well but expect mostly country at the Garage and Honky Tonk. Expect Blues and Jazz at Broadway Oyster Bar, BB's and Beale.
Thanks!  I didn't even notice the instagram post was by "Thehonkytonkstl", which would have suggested country. That said, I also didn't the name of the corner bar was The Honky Tonk Stl; I thought it was still that liquor branded bar that seemed like a bar rescue place.  Shows what I know.

But... will the Garage be a new separate place or is the Honky Tonk place moving?  If we are going by genres based on the name of the venue, I would 1000% support a garage rock place, but I am guessing that's unlikely.  (Also I don't know who The Game 6 Brothers are, so I have no idea what their "brand" is). 

More live music is always good (unless it is always cover bands and/or bachelorette piano bar places - both undermine healthy local music scenes). 

Thanks!!
As a musician and huge live music advocate, gotta disagree about the cover band/piano bar thing. The people that go to these places normally won't go to more "genuine" live music venues anyways. They serve a different function and part of the city. I actually think STL could use way more of them; maybe a whole strip of them near Soulard like in NOLA's French Quarter. That being said, a new garage rock place would be sick. I'm looking into maybe starting a place like that in the next 5ish years.
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PostMar 22, 2022#354

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 This is awesome. What kind of music will they be hosting?  Blues and Jazz to fit the theme of the other bars there?  Or something else to stick out?  Touring bands?  locals? Hopefully not just cover bands to appeal to the bros downtown for post-baseball game stuff... 
Primarily country music. It should fit well with their brand. Other types of music will be there as well but expect mostly country at the Garage and Honky Tonk. Expect Blues and Jazz at Broadway Oyster Bar, BB's and Beale.
Thanks!  I didn't even notice the instagram post was by "Thehonkytonkstl", which would have suggested country. That said, I also didn't the name of the corner bar was The Honky Tonk Stl; I thought it was still that liquor branded bar that seemed like a bar rescue place.  Shows what I know.

But... will the Garage be a new separate place or is the Honky Tonk place moving?  If we are going by genres based on the name of the venue, I would 1000% support a garage rock place, but I am guessing that's unlikely.  (Also I don't know who The Game 6 Brothers are, so I have no idea what their "brand" is). 

More live music is always good (unless it is always cover bands and/or bachelorette piano bar places - both undermine healthy local music scenes). 

Thanks!!
The Honky Tonk will remain it its current place. The Garage will be it’s own business venture (and linked to the shell structure at 744). Still figuring out what will be done at 754, but that should be something fun as well. The future usage of the Nephews Grill buildings is still being decided.

Trust me when I say that the Honky Tonk brothers are good people who only want what’s best for their neighborhood. They, along with other business owners in the area, want to see this part of the city thrive. So a wide variety of music types, foods and spaces are the end goal. Eventually, infill will make its way into the area but for now, that’s all dependent on what happens back on Chouteau’s Landing. Everyone wants quality while retaining some grittiness. It adds character. The Honky Tonk brothers are no exception to this.

Stay tuned for some more fun stuff!

PostMar 22, 2022#355

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I really think this strip has the potential to transform the area just south of Downtown, and possibly even help with a Chouteau's Landing revival, if done right. So many cool music places near each other. 

Are there any plans for the building connected to The Garage that has been gutted empty? It's such an eyesore.
Which structure? 744 will become an outdoor garden space. Sort of like a beer garden but a little bit different with space for a food truck or two. The facade of that one isn’t 100% finished yet and will eventually include doors and windows of some sort. 754, the 3-story building on the block, has some refined ideas being kicked around for renovation and is slowly getting closer to starting. It was supposed to start a while back and then the bids were found to be messed up, the tenant wanted some changes made, and a redrawing of the plans was needed.

Those are just hoops to jump through but the end goal remains the same - the 700 block of 4th Street (from under the train bridges to Gratiot) will be reactivated and a key anchor in this area for years to come. The 800 Block parking lot is a site where I’m playing with some ideas for significant new construction, but they’re so early on that I’m not going to talk about those. Too many variables but the intention is a classic design that strengthens the area.

Also, if you’re thinking about having a garage rock music venue of some sort, maybe pay attention to the Ice House area just south of Chouteau. That’s a big piece in the puzzle for this part of town.
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PostMar 22, 2022#356

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I really think this strip has the potential to transform the area just south of Downtown, and possibly even help with a Chouteau's Landing revival, if done right. So many cool music places near each other. 

Are there any plans for the building connected to The Garage that has been gutted empty? It's such an eyesore.
Which structure? 744 will become an outdoor garden space. Sort of like a beer garden but a little bit different with space for a food truck or two. The facade of that one isn’t 100% finished yet and will eventually include doors and windows of some sort. 754, the 3-story building on the block, has some refined ideas being kicked around for renovation and is slowly getting closer to starting. It was supposed to start a while back and then the bids were found to be messed up, the tenant wanted some changes made, and a redrawing of the plans was needed.

Those are just hoops to jump through but the end goal remains the same - the 700 block of 4th Street (from under the train bridges to Gratiot) will be reactivated and a key anchor in this area for years to come. The 800 Block parking lot is a site where I’m playing with some ideas for significant new construction, but they’re so early on that I’m not going to talk about those. Too many variables but the intention is a classic design that strengthens the area.

Also, if you’re thinking about having a garage rock music venue of some sort, maybe pay attention to the Ice House area just south of Chouteau. That’s a big piece in the puzzle for this part of town.
This is all great to hear. Interesting choice to keep the facade up for an outdoor space where there used to be a building. That's a great spot for a beer garden, though.

The parking lot infill is exciting, too. Though parking for BoB is already difficult as is.

What area are you for Ice House?

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PostMar 22, 2022#357

^Not sure I understand the question. It's an area of interest to me, but no movement yet. I imagine that within 5 years, there will be things underway there as 4th and Broadway (and maybe Chouteau's Landing) are strong enough to start pushing stuff into the periphery. 
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PostMar 22, 2022#358

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^Not sure I understand the question. It's an area of interest to me, but no movement yet. I imagine that within 5 years, there will be things underway there as 4th and Broadway (and maybe Chouteau's Landing) are strong enough to start pushing stuff into the periphery. 
Sorry, was on my phone. I meant to ask, what area are you referring to as the "Ice House area"?
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PostMar 22, 2022#359

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^Not sure I understand the question. It's an area of interest to me, but no movement yet. I imagine that within 5 years, there will be things underway there as 4th and Broadway (and maybe Chouteau's Landing) are strong enough to start pushing stuff into the periphery. 
Sorry, was on my phone. I meant to ask, what area are you referring to as the "Ice House area"?
Oh. The area just south of Chouteau. Bounded by Chouteau, Broadway/4th, Hickory and 7th. There’s an old Ice House at Broadway and LaSalle.
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PostJun 16, 2022#360

Finally went ahead and created an account. On a St. Louis Facebook group earlier today I noticed someone mentioned a NYC developer taking over Chouteau's landing. Does anyone know anything about this?
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PostJun 16, 2022#361

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Finally went ahead and created an account. On a St. Louis Facebook group earlier today I noticed someone mentioned a NYC developer taking over Chouteau's landing. Does anyone know anything about this?
Yes, that's my post on my Facebook group. Different developer than JDS, but still from NYC. Partnered up with two local guys who you'd all know if I said their names.
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PostJun 16, 2022#362

^In that case I'll try not to speculate about the de-luxe treatment we're likely to see. But whoever it is, I hope this works out well.
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PostJun 16, 2022#363

Are they still planning to do the whole area more or less all at once?
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PostJun 16, 2022#364

I can't imagine doing that area piecemeal. 

Nobody wants to live in luxury apartments surrounded by decaying structures. 
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PostJun 16, 2022#365

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Are they still planning to do the whole area more or less all at once?
Hard to tell really. I think they’d address the old buildings and infrastructure issues first before getting around to building new. In other words, I think it’ll be phased.
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PostJun 16, 2022#366

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I can't imagine doing that area piecemeal. 

Nobody wants to live in luxury apartments surrounded by decaying structures. 
I agree but then there’s Steelcote…
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PostJun 16, 2022#367

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I can't imagine doing that area piecemeal. 

Nobody wants to live in luxury apartments surrounded by decaying structures. 
I agree but then there’s Steelcote…
Steelcote is a couple minutes walk to SLU med campus and the Grand metrolink.

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PostJun 16, 2022#368

Could it be SonoraRoad?
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PostJun 16, 2022#369

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Could it be SonoraRoad?
Nope. I thought that at first, but after digging and asking some people, it’s someone else.
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PostJun 17, 2022#370

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Could it be SonoraRoad?
Nope. I thought that at first, but after digging and asking some people, it’s someone else.
Nice, a phased master plan would be perfect for the area. I love the number of elevated bridges in the neighborhood and some large-scale new construction would complement the remaining structures that are still salvageable.
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PostJun 17, 2022#371

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I can't imagine doing that area piecemeal. 

Nobody wants to live in luxury apartments surrounded by decaying structures. 
I agree but then there’s Steelcote…
Steelcote is a couple minutes walk to SLU med campus and the Grand metrolink.

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Chouteau's landing is only a little further from the Arch, Busch Stadium, Ballpark Village, Soulard, Nestle, and two Metrolink stations. It may not be quite as well situated as Steelcote, but it's not at all far behind. (And with just a little luck it could quickly be in a much livelier spot.) We shall see, I suppose.
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PostJun 17, 2022#372

^I agree with that. I think connecting it to the arch grounds using some sort of "greenway" or park between 1st Street and the flood wall would be a good idea. Of course revamping all of the infrastructure/roadways before renovating existing buildings would be necessary as well. 
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PostJun 17, 2022#373

I think the way that it's walled off, while part of the reason for the decay of the area could also be an asset for future development. Like once the whole area is filled in I think it would work well as its own inward-facing neighborhood. Obviously, I'm not saying that connecting it to other places downtown is a bad thing though.
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PostJun 17, 2022#374

When the neighborhood comes back the flood gates at Poplar and Gratiot need to be open regularly. Right now it's another situation like the gate blocking the north riverfront trail.

Who is in charge of these gates by the way?
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PostJun 17, 2022#375

The challenges for this area as a residential or nightlife neighborhood are plenty. 

Access is awful, even for Arch visitors on foot. For all the challenges that Laclede's Landing has with I-44 flanking its western side, Chouteau's Landing is flanked on two sides, by I-44 to the west but also I-64 to the north -- and I-64 is arguably more damaging, effectively cutting the neighborhood off from the city's greatest attraction. 

I agree with anyone who says the flood walls along Leonard K. Sullivan Blvd. need to be open more, but that couldn't possibly always be the most optimal route between the park and neighborhood. I do wonder if pedestrian corridors could be forged down 1st St. and/or 2nd St., but I think I-64 has been built in such a way that no matter the investment, a walk down either will be a pedestrian nightmare.

All of that said, I think this area does have spectacular potential with the historic buildings and location. I sincerely hope the buyers can overcome the challenges I listed above and can help create a bigger and better St. Louis. 
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