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Good Developments Group’s founder and managing partner Greg Gleicher told the LCRA board the fire that damaged the site was caused by two trespassers attempting to destroy each other’s property after breaking into the building.  Gleicher said there has been 24/7 security at the site since the fire.

So they're basically acknowledging there wasn't any security before the fire, and the City is just content with that? 

So this was initially advertised as a $1.2B project. I wonder what the dollar figure is on the "scaled back" version of the project. 

It will never fail to amaze me how the city is able to approve incentives worth $200 million for this project and there still may be more if the get a community improvement district, but we can do no such thing for a N-S transit expansion that would have much greater positive affects on the city than this project would, even if it gets completed.

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The $200m isn’t real money. It’s not there until $1.2b is spent. It’s proportional

dbInSouthCity wrote:The $200m isn’t real money. It’s not there until $1.2b is spent. It’s proportional

That's besides the point. The point is that the city could raise far more money for transit than it chooses to, it's not as impossible as it's made out to be. All we have to do is look at Kansas City to see how succesful it can be.

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You mean the Kansas City that's eliminating 25% of their daily bus routes after the World Cup due to lack of funding?  

MOsloth22 wrote:You mean the Kansas City that's eliminating 25% of their daily bus routes after the World Cup due to lack of funding?  

What a weird comment. I mean Kansas City that built 6.2 miles of streetcar (some of it would definitely count as light rail) for a little over $500 million with daily ridership of nearly 6,000 and a significant amount of new development. They created a TDD with a 1% sales tax and varying property taxes. The KC Streetcar is completely seperate from KCATA.

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^ What a weird comment, you go out of your way to note, accurately i will add, that KC streetcar is completely separate from KCATA but ignoring the fact that N-S would not be separate from Bi-State/Metro and cost significantly more.  

So what is exactly your point, City should build only the city portion of N-S light rail or City should be its own separate streetcar from regional transit like KC did?  Just a straight up answer without your attempt to belittle or talk down to people as if you know everything would be appreciated.

I think St. Louis City should have put N-S on pause several years ago when it was obvious that county politics would not support it.   City should either revise and build out N-S streetcar and let county decide if it wants to supports overlapping bus service and or pick a dedicated North to South corridor for its own KC like streetcar.  Now you get to your point about what KC succeeded at and why St Louis shouldn't be able to do the same 

My list for City Streetcar

- Start at Loop trolley existing tracks:  Leave Forest Park Metrolink station north, Delmar Ave East to Euclid Ave south to Barnes Jewish/metro link stop.  Next phase continuing south across I-64/Hwy 40 into Grove/Manchester Ave.  Connects residential primed for more density with commercial and a huge job center as well as regional transit
- Grand Ave Streetcar speaks for itself.  Heck, City run automated electric fare free buses on this corridor would be crazy and doable in my mind.  Take multimodal and transit to next generation
- N-S city only streetcar staying with Jeff Ave alignment (as above, move on from county)
- Broadway streetcar (your downtown feeder)