^So sad to see Crunden Martin wiped off the site plan 
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If we all of a sudden see movement on a spec building for distribution, I’m gonna be officially out on this group
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^Did anyone in this group support that? Or suggest that was a good use of the core part of the site? I think there's always been some skepticism that this was anything other than pie in the sky, or window dressing to get the tax incentives. I really thought this one was real from some of the reporting on here, but nobody wanted Crunden Martin torn down for tilt up and truck parking. I think we'rea all pissed about this. Everyone one of us. Stick around. Share in the collective anger and sorrow.
There were always plans for speculative industrial as part of Gateway South since announcement. Do you mean specifically on the Crunden Martin site?
It’s interesting that the development model really isn’t much different than what developers are doing downtown. Oliver’s developments as an example. Upgrading space from C to A.
Focus right now being the smaller industrial buildings between Lombard and Choteau.
Focus right now being the smaller industrial buildings between Lombard and Choteau.
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I mean out on the Good Developments Group.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Dec 20, 2025^Did anyone in this group support that? Or suggest that was a good use of the core part of the site? I think there's always been some skepticism that this was anything other than pie in the sky, or window dressing to get the tax incentives. I really thought this one was real from some of the reporting on here, but nobody wanted Crunden Martin torn down for tilt up and truck parking. I think we'rea all pissed about this. Everyone one of us. Stick around. Share in the collective anger and sorrow.
They let this site rot further for years and let a historic warehouse complex burn.
If they now all of a sudden make movement on this project by building spec industrial for trucking and distribution, I am out on them.
They promised something that would mean something, something that honored our history. The results and plans now look to be destroying our history and building easy cash cows right on top of downtown that produce little for the local economy and culture.
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^Ground cover. Yeah, they sound more and more like your typical land speculators. I still have a tiny flicker of hope, but it's pretty dim at this point. Barring regulations that prevent land speculation we'll get a lot of ground cover and vacancy.
Looks Ike they’re already leasing space in the speculative tilt-up warehouse:
https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/Gateway-South-Industrial-Core-Redevelopment-Saint-Louis-MO/33547823/
https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/Gateway-South-Industrial-Core-Redevelopment-Saint-Louis-MO/33547823/
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That doesn’t replace Crunden Martin. It’s for another component in the overall development and has been listed for several months prior to the fire.
^Oh, good. Thanks for sharing that. Would you know if they have a plan to replace Crunden-Martin yet?
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Nice write-up in Saint Louis Patina today about the complex. Chris thinks that a few structures might be salvageable.
Crunden Martin Ruins, Revisited | Saint Louis Patina
Crunden Martin Ruins, Revisited | Saint Louis Patina
The pics are starting to circle social media and holiday visitors had the rubble welcoming them on their arrival. Not sure why an emergency order to demo hasn’t been issued. Good Development needs to act much faster. Very disappointed in their irresponsible stewardship.
There have to be standards for stewardship. Developers should have to deliver a security and emergency demo strategy prior to receiving incentives. You don’t buy this building if you’re not able to take care of it regardless of circumstances.
I’m emotional about this building. I want hearings. I want penalties. I want incentives pulled back.
How quickly this would be solved if 7 alders released a statement demanding a demo plan by Jan 1st or incentives will be canceled?
There have to be standards for stewardship. Developers should have to deliver a security and emergency demo strategy prior to receiving incentives. You don’t buy this building if you’re not able to take care of it regardless of circumstances.
I’m emotional about this building. I want hearings. I want penalties. I want incentives pulled back.
How quickly this would be solved if 7 alders released a statement demanding a demo plan by Jan 1st or incentives will be canceled?
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No hard questions about letting historic buildings get burned. More of the same transformational promise we have heard for a while
Are we going to rebuild these buildings? Want to show off construction innovation, do that.
I wanted this project to come their vision so bad. I’m just having a hard time believing in a vision for StL where the first thing to happen is to burn more of our historic riverfront
Yeah, I don't know. Wasn't there yet another fire down there last week at a different building? I recall it:
Letting yet another structure fall after two key buildings just went up in flames is just plain lazy and apathetic. Couldn't find much coverage on this other than a KSDK story one morning.
Letting yet another structure fall after two key buildings just went up in flames is just plain lazy and apathetic. Couldn't find much coverage on this other than a KSDK story one morning.
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I wish there were more images of what it would look like visually, I heard they were going to build the buildings that were burned down, so they might look newer.
There's only one clear image of this project and it has mistakes like they're being two AT&T Towers, I really want to see what the Entertainment District and Residential Districts have in store.![]()
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There's only one clear image of this project and it has mistakes like they're being two AT&T Towers, I really want to see what the Entertainment District and Residential Districts have in store.
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Rebuilding brick warehouse at the site that honor our riverfront is the only thing that can salvage the trajectory of this project for me so hope you are right
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^I'm pretty sure they did in this video
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Anyone know what the status is of any possible demo of the Cruden-Martin buildings? I drove by yesterday. That site looks absolutely horrible & is the current welcome mat to the City of St. Louis. The City has to get on this & require the owners to do something to clean up this site. Those buildings look like they were destroyed by WW2 bombs. Throw in the endless gang tags & sh-tty looking graffiti & the "decaying dying City" folks are certainly using this to promote this narrative. In general the highways, highway walls & bridges look horrible (I went Poplar to 44/55 south/west on the way home).
MODOT needs to clean up this mess. STL region provides a significant amount of funding to the State, yet our roads, infrastructure & highway clean-up is putrid.
MODOT needs to clean up this mess. STL region provides a significant amount of funding to the State, yet our roads, infrastructure & highway clean-up is putrid.
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I seriously don’t know what these developers are doing
It’s been a disaster project so far, which is sad because I was SUPER excited about this one and rooting for them
Idk if it was all fake from the beginning and they will now offload empty land or build a bunch of data centers. Just kind of mind blowing.
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It’s been a disaster project so far, which is sad because I was SUPER excited about this one and rooting for them
Idk if it was all fake from the beginning and they will now offload empty land or build a bunch of data centers. Just kind of mind blowing.
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Feels fake. The interviews they did after the fire did not instill a lot of confidence.