Caleres HQ

chriss752 · PostMay 02, 2022#1512022-05-02T05:43+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
May 02, 2022
chriss752 wrote: ↑
May 02, 2022
A massive new development is in the works. It’s likely to shift things a bit if built as planned. I know so because of a particular post made on LinkedIn that has since been deleted but the person who posted it knows what they’re doing. Stay tuned! Looked great from what I saw.
Calares site?

Maybe yes. Maybe no. A few things are in the works for Clayton that fall into my category and what I saw was very specific.

I will say that I am familiar with two proposals made for the Caleres site. Both are/were ambitious and had a nice urban form. Unsure if either were selected but I imagine it's getting very close.

pdm_ad · PostMay 02, 2022#1522022-05-02T11:13+00:00

^ Nice, I look forward to hearing the details on these projects. Has Caleres announced where they are moving? I didn't see that info on the Caleres HQ thread.

^^ I would love to see something with decent height proposed for Centene Hole (is this the new name?). Since that lot is located so far out to the east and is relatively isolated from the rest of the Clayton skyline, anything tall built there would really stand out and represent Clayton's 'front door'.

goat314 · PostMay 02, 2022#1532022-05-02T15:12+00:00

chriss752 wrote: ↑
May 02, 2022
A massive new development is in the works. It’s likely to shift things a bit if built as planned. I know so because of a particular post made on LinkedIn that has since been deleted but the person who posted it knows what they’re doing. Stay tuned! Looked great from what I saw.

When you say massive, how massive do you mean? I'd imagine it would have to be pretty big to shift the center of gravity in Clayton. My hopes are that it's urban and TOD.

shadrach · PostMay 02, 2022#1542022-05-02T15:51+00:00

A couple residential towers on the old County property, right up against FPP, overlooking Shaw Park would be nice.

sc4mayor · PostMay 02, 2022#1552022-05-02T15:54+00:00

^^^ As of March, Brown Shoe themselves said they hadn’t found a buyer for the campus. Me thinks they’re part of the redevelopment and will be a tenant…if their campus is even involved in this rumor that is.

I know a bunch of people that work at Brown Shoe and they’ve all said the same thing, they’re not likely to leave Clayton.

^ Enterprise told the BJ the near term plans for the old family courts site is to grade it and grass it. No plans to develop at the current time, though things could have changed in that short time.

jshank83 · PostMay 02, 2022#1562022-05-02T16:26+00:00

sc4mayor wrote: ↑
May 02, 2022
^^^ As of March, Brown Shoe themselves said they hadn’t found a buyer for the campus. Me thinks they’re part of the redevelopment and will be a tenant…if their campus is even involved in this rumor that is.
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What you are thinking I would say is a VERY good guess.

RockChalkSTL · PostMay 02, 2022#1572022-05-02T16:33+00:00

It was be pretty cool for Caleres/Brown to have a headquarters that is part of an ambitious new urban mixed-use district, hopefully with other companies involved as well.

What a thing to advertise to employees: endless lunch options, nearby residential options, Metrolink access, etc.

chriss752 · PostMay 02, 2022#1582022-05-02T18:37+00:00

An office component for Caleres was included in both proposals I saw, just the total office square footage for both seemed to be quite a bit less than the current buildings combined. Likely means they’ll be downsizing the in-office workforce.

PostMay 02, 2022#1592022-05-02T18:41+00:00

goat314 wrote: ↑
May 02, 2022
chriss752 wrote: ↑
May 02, 2022
A massive new development is in the works. It’s likely to shift things a bit if built as planned. I know so because of a particular post made on LinkedIn that has since been deleted but the person who posted it knows what they’re doing. Stay tuned! Looked great from what I saw.
When you say massive, how massive do you mean? I'd imagine it would have to be pretty big to shift the center of gravity in Clayton. My hopes are that it's urban and TOD.

It’s certainly urban but not TOD. Since I’m practically talking about the Caleres site at this point, the amount of stuff that could be built on that site is what will make things shift a bit. The biggest hurdle is the NIMBYs nearby but both proposals I saw have a great amount of public space surrounded by a mixture of usages. Whether or not those will be enough to calm some people down will be seen. I can’t say who won the Caleres site yet, but I’m not involved of either of them. I’m not even sure if Caleres has decided their next steps yet, but that since-deleted LinkedIn post made me feel like that the particular development team won and they were excited to get started.

sc4mayor · PostMay 02, 2022#1602022-05-02T18:48+00:00

^^ They haven't been shy about moving to a hybrid work environment. Reporting last year had them looking for 175,000 square feet on the high side. Possibly as low as 125,000 square feet. The existing campus has 340,000 square feet of office space and one of the buildings was converted to residential years ago. They only have 700 corporate employees in St. Louis, 340,000 square feet is already overkill.

Even if they had all 700 people reporting everyday to the same building...they could get away with 140,000 square feet based on typical averages for square footage per employee (it varies, but I figured 200sqft/employee). The existing campus is just a poor use of space in our new reality.

Anyway, very interesting stuff, thanks for the tidbits, Chris.

sc4mayor · PostMay 04, 2022#1612022-05-04T23:09+00:00

Talked to a few Brown Shoe folks tonight. This one has legs, from what I’ve heard it could break ground in the next month or so…but I’m not holding my breath for that.

Apparently they’ve already been marking the property for utilities. I’ve heard some suggestions on how they plan to demolish the existing facility so they can maintain office space while the new project is built too.

I’ll let Brown Shoe control the narrative here, but it seems as if something big is coming…and soon.

Laife Fulk · PostMay 05, 2022#1622022-05-05T00:17+00:00

Let's all pump the brakes on expecting anything to happen imminently. There's zero applications filed with the Clayton Planning Department - for anything at Caleres or otherwise in Clayton that hasn't been already been publicly announced.

There may very well be a vision, but nothing's coming "soon".

sc4mayor · PostMay 05, 2022#1632022-05-05T00:22+00:00

Define soon. I didn’t, so I’m curious what you think I said.

Laife Fulk · PostMay 05, 2022#1642022-05-05T00:24+00:00

You said that apparently they're already marking for utilities. That's not something that makes sense to do if any actual development is a few years out.

sc4mayor · PostMay 05, 2022#1652022-05-05T00:29+00:00

Maybe a redevelopment isn’t a few years out…

I’ll trust the folks I know…like I said, I’m not exactly buying the construction timeline that was told to me today (I even specifically mentioned public meetings, architectural review boards, etc. as to why this will NOT sail though). But I’m also not assuming anyone here outside of a select few have any clue what’s going on here.

Bart Harley Jarvis · PostMay 05, 2022#1662022-05-05T15:09+00:00

sc4mayor wrote: ↑
May 05, 2022
Define soon. I didn’t, so I’m curious what you think I said.

it could break ground in the next month or so

That seems like ~30 days

sc4mayor · PostMay 05, 2022#1672022-05-05T15:40+00:00

I’ll trust the folks I know…like I said, I’m not exactly buying the construction timeline that was told to me today (I even specifically mentioned public meetings, architectural review boards, etc. as to why this will NOT sail though). But I’m also not assuming anyone here outside of a select few have any clue what’s going on here.

Bart Harley Jarvis · PostMay 05, 2022#1682022-05-05T15:46+00:00

sc4mayor wrote: ↑
May 05, 2022
I’ll trust the folks I know…like I said, I’m not exactly buying the construction timeline that was told to me today (I even specifically mentioned public meetings, architectural review boards, etc. as to why this will NOT sail though). But I’m also not assuming anyone here outside of a select few have any clue what’s going on here.

Right, you said that AFTER the "month" timeline you previously gave.

sc4mayor · PostMay 05, 2022#1692022-05-05T15:53+00:00

I was repeating what was told to me by that person. I also told him I didn’t believe it.

Talked to a few Brown Shoe folks tonight. This one has legs, from what I’ve heard it could break ground in the next month or so…but I’m not holding my breath for that.

LOL

beer city · PostMay 05, 2022#1702022-05-05T16:42+00:00

Renderings -
CRG's $500M redevelopment could keep Caleres in St. Louis (PHOTOS) - St. Louis Business Journal (bizjournals.com)

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 2022-05-05

dbInSouthCity · PostMay 05, 2022#1712022-05-05T16:44+00:00

There is a $500m plan but it’s not going to start next month. Not even close. Caleres is interested but they’re playing a give us handouts game with the state. Some of the incentive related stuff is going in front of Clayton city council next week

PostMay 05, 2022#1722022-05-05T16:47+00:00

beer city wrote: ↑
May 05, 2022
Renderings -
CRG's $500M redevelopment could keep Caleres in St. Louis (PHOTOS) - St. Louis Business Journal (bizjournals.com)

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 2022-05-05

That 3rd paragraph is absolutely mild blowing! Clayton is hiring a law firm to weigh in on incentives and the firm asking for the incentives is paying the law firm? What?!!

chriss752 · PostMay 05, 2022#1732022-05-05T17:17+00:00

I said it would be massive. Good to see it get out there. CRG posted a video of the 3D printed model of the development on LinkedIn last week then deleted it within an hour.

pdm_ad · PostMay 05, 2022#1742022-05-05T17:23+00:00

^ It is indeed!

Design looks nice, certainly an improvement over what exists there now.

quincunx · PostMay 05, 2022#1752022-05-05T17:25+00:00

Does anyone see interaction with the street?

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