Yeah - any outcome that makes Wagner’s district more competitive would be great.
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^I can't imagine they'd permit such a thing unless they felt they could flip the first in the process.
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I heard they have the votes to pass that map in the house... but the thing that could change that Wagner district is if the courts which are 4-3 GOP leaning somehow determine the maps are gerrymandering.
Does anyone know if any of the right leaning MO judges are more moderate?
"As of September 2021, three judges on the court were appointed by a Democratic governor and four judges were appointed by a Republican governor."
Does anyone know if any of the right leaning MO judges are more moderate?
"As of September 2021, three judges on the court were appointed by a Democratic governor and four judges were appointed by a Republican governor."
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I'd love to see a map that would bring us back to having 2 or 3 competitive House seats in this state. Though I don't see it happening.
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MO Supreme Court is pretty moderate I’d say. While a Gov does appt but 3 candidates are forwarded to the gov by a courts commission that isn’t partisan.pattimagee wrote: ↑Mar 25, 2022I heard they have the votes to pass that map in the house... but the thing that could change that Wagner district is if the courts which are 4-3 GOP leaning somehow determine the maps are gerrymandering.
Does anyone know if any of the right leaning MO judges are more moderate?
"As of September 2021, three judges on the court were appointed by a Democratic governor and four judges were appointed by a Republican governor."
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That's good to hear - maybe a lawsuit could push to a 5-2-1 map... (sounds like every state has a different way of doing their gerrymandering laws, so it should be interesting to watch)
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Beer heiress Trudy Busch Valentine joins Missouri Senate race
https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/29/be ... qus_thread
https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/29/be ... qus_thread
The House overwhelmingly rejected the Senate "compromise" map so congressional redistricting is likely heading to the courts.
St. Louis-area projects get funding in massive state Senate plan
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... -top-story
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... -top-story
The Senate inserted $15 million to removed condemned buildings in St. Louis, $2 million for a sports complex in Chesterfield and $2.5 million to upgrade the Amtrak station in Kirkwood.
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The $6 million set aside to demolish the vacant and blighted north St. Louis County mall, combined with another $6 million approved by the St. Louis County Council last month, could transform the site into a “shovel ready” site for redevelopment. The $23 million for St. Louis County police includes money for a regional intelligence operations center, a new property control facility and a training complex that includes a firearms range.
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Although much of the Senate and House version are the same, the Senate removes spending for a number of high-profile projects. The measure contains no money to expand the state’s ports, including $25 million sought by Jefferson County to build a container shipping facility on the Mississippi River.
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Among the largest outlays is $419 million for the Missouri Department of Natural Resources to oversee the replacement of lead water lines. Lawmakers also are considering spending $250 million to expand broadband internet access throughout the state. The proposal includes $149 million to assist local mental health agencies serve more patients. It would require matching dollars from potential recipients.
The University of Missouri-St. Louis campus is in line for a makeover. The budget sets aside $40 million in matching funds for a so-called “Campus of the Future” involving multiple new buildings and demolition of old facilities. St. Louis Community College would receive $20 million to build a health sciences center at the Florissant Valley campus. St. Charles Community College could get $18 million for the construction of facilities focusing on job training.
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Cities and counties also could tap into a $250 million community development fund for local projects. The program requires a municipality to match the amount they would get from the state. The House had sought $50 million.
^thanks for posting. Another biggie that I assume would be a plus for the metro and for that matter I think is needed across the county is the MO Senate proposal includes a big chunk for lead pipe replacement
Among the largest outlays is $419 million for the Missouri Department of Natural Resources to oversee the replacement of lead water lines.
Among the largest outlays is $419 million for the Missouri Department of Natural Resources to oversee the replacement of lead water lines.
Missouri lawmakers OK election year budget with tax rebates, money for construction
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 1aa39.html
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 1aa39.html
Under the plan, teacher salaries would rise to a base level of $38,000 annually from a national low rate of $25,000. The cost: $37 million.
School districts also will get an infusion of $214 million to cover a portion of busing costs, marking the first time in 30 years the state has fully funded its share of the program.
Higher education also scored added dollars for both operating costs and construction projects. They included $5 million for a program designed to train high school students to one day work at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, which is relocating its campus to a site north of downtown St. Louis.
The Jefferson County Port Authority would receive $25 million to expand its port, which is being eyed for a container shipping terminal.
In the Department of Public Safety budget, lawmakers set aside $3.2 million to pay for the demolition of abandoned, city-owned houses in St. Louis in a bid to fight blight.
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I guess nobody wants to talk about Roe v. Wade and Missouri's disappointing, dangerous, and backwards stance on it.
I read recently that some proposed legislation would even ban IUDs, so Missouri is effectively outlawing non-hormonal contraceptives (except for condoms maybe?) - it is absolutely ridiculous to see such thing happening in a "developed" country.
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The original decision on Roe v. Wade should never have happened. Women should not have the right to kill their baby no matter how small it is in their womb. Murder in all forms should be prosecuted, including unborn ones. End of story.
The party of small government wants to control all women's reproductive rights and their birth control options based upon their own morals and religious beliefs.
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I think it's based more on Natural Law rather than personal beliefs. It's wrong and evil to murder. Call it "reproductive rights" or "it's just a clump of cells" or "it's MY body", etc., you're just playing word games. It's a human that is being murdered in the end and that is wrong. 63 million and counting. Just let that sink in.
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There's plenty of places people can debate their views on this - so let's try to keep it St. Louis and Missouri focused please.
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the "pro-life" people never have a good answer of the classic trolley challenge type of question; 2 buildings on fire next to each other, 1 has a 10 year old and the other is an In Virtro clinic with 5 sets of egg/sperm combo during the 2-5 day waiting period- which one are you saving?
Should a pregnant woman be allowed to work? Afterall child labor laws must apply, right?BuildItStLouis wrote: ↑May 09, 2022I think it's based more on Natural Law rather than personal beliefs. It's wrong and evil to murder. Call it "reproductive rights" or "it's just a clump of cells" or "it's MY body", etc., you're just playing word games. It's a human that is being murdered in the end and that is wrong. 63 million and counting. Just let that sink in.
Do child tax credits start at conception? How about child support? Surely if it's a human being already than the culture warriors in government must have extended these benefits.
Expecting mothers need to get a separate health insurance plan if it's a separate individual, right?
Can child services be called to take the unborn away from their mother? That's the same protection awarded after birth?
Are you going to tell me none of these things apply? It's almost like the anti-abortion crowd is only against abortion based on their own personal religious beliefs and not because they actually consider it an actual human being in any other context. Some religions consider life to start at conception, some at birth, and some earlier than either, but regardless of which belief system you subscribe to, the government should not be writing laws based on any religion.
You are the one playing word games when you call it an "baby" or a "human being" when no medical or scientific application would ever call it that in a formal context. You are trying to elicit an emotional and/or religious response by using terminology that appeals to you personally and think that somehow wins the argument.
The only abortion-related murders of actual human beings that have occurred are the women who have died by not having access to safe medical care because some people have decided that their own personal beliefs need to be forcibly imposed upon others. Just let that sink in.
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A non-religious pro-lifer may not have a good answer to that but the religious pro-life answer to that would be to save the 10 year old because IVF is an unacceptable form of conception to begin with because it treats the baby as an experiment to be manipulated with and violates the child's integrity as human being with a soul.
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Just going to toss this out there again for people who don't care to see this debate play out (because let's be honest, no one is going to change their point of view based on a few posts on Urbanstl):
Reminder that the forum does have a way to mute posters who you may prefer not to see or read their posts. If you click on their profile and scroll to the bottom you can select "add foe". This will auto collapse this persons posts in all threads so they're easier to skip over / ignore.
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But you're calling fertilized eggs people, so are they or aren't they? You never made any mention of the morality of how they got fertilized.BuildItStLouis wrote: ↑May 09, 2022A non-religious pro-lifer may not have a good answer to that but the religious pro-life answer to that would be to save the 10 year old because IVF is an unacceptable form of conception to begin with because it treats the baby as an experiment to be manipulated with and violates the child's integrity as human being with a soul.
That's a pretty clear statement. You then continue:Women should not have the right to kill their baby no matter how small it is in their womb. Murder in all forms should be prosecuted, including unborn ones. End of story.
Again, that's a fairly clear line you're drawing. You continue to say it's murder to kill them, no matter the size. But when it comes time to actually make an ethical decision based on that logic you discard all those "babies" because of your view of the actions of their parents. Which is precisely the same as abortion: a parent, in this case the mother, decides that the fertilized egg does not belong in her body and so she discards it. If that's wrong, then so is letting those eggs die in the fire. You don't get to change your definitions of the eggs because you don't like what the parents did. (Especially if they don't have the same freedom.)Call it "reproductive rights" or "it's just a clump of cells" or "it's MY body", etc., you're just playing word games. It's a human that is being [ . . . ]
I'm sorry. You truly do not have a good answer to that trolley problem. Sure, saving the ten year old is the right call and we ALL know this quite clearly. The point isn't making the right call, it's clearly articulating why that's the correct answer, which you have most definitely failed to do. Those eggs are not responsible for the actions of their parents. Their personhood . . . or lack thereof . . . does not derive from the actions of their parents. Either it's there or it isn't. The trolley problem is a fairly clear demonstration that in reality we all understand that it isn't there. But if you want to build a rickety moral framework to justify your immoral decisions I cannot stop you. You will enforce your will on the innocent. And they will suffer. We will all suffer for it.
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IVF: Bad, unnatural, not a true childBuildItStLouis wrote: ↑May 09, 2022A non-religious pro-lifer may not have a good answer to that but the religious pro-life answer to that would be to save the 10 year old because IVF is an unacceptable form of conception to begin with because it treats the baby as an experiment to be manipulated with and violates the child's integrity as human being with a soul.
Virgin birth: Wowzers! Let's start a religion out of this!
Pick one, cause in essence they're the same thing.
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There are much deeper religious reasons and factors that take years to fully understand as to why abortion is wrong, and frankly I do not care all that much to explain it to you all, let alone type it all out when there is obviously no way I can change any of your minds, get a non-condescending answer, or have an actual person-to-person conversation over the topic. So I'm just gonna end it there. I'll keep you all in my prayers.
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Your religious reasons are fine to determine your actions, but not mine. I don’t want to be in your theocracy.BuildItStLouis wrote:There are much deeper religious reasons and factors that take years to fully understand as to why abortion is wrong, and frankly I do not care all that much to explain it to you all, let alone type it all out when there is obviously no way I can change any of your minds, get a non-condescending answer, or have an actual person-to-person conversation over the topic. So I'm just gonna end it there. I'll keep you all in my prayers.
Hypocritical nonsense that rests on the notion your religion is right, better than others, and certainly better than my lack of any religion.
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