Hilarious that this isn't he top story on STL Today or even on the opening page. Imagine if this was Wash Ave. This region never ceases to amaze me.
I wonder if this will delay the St. Charles riverfront development. Surely developers will be scared to build in such a high crime area.
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But that will not fit in to the head narrative of the suburban readers.robertn42 wrote: ↑Mar 23, 2022Hilarious that this isn't he top story on STL Today or even on the opening page. Imagine if this was Wash Ave. This region never ceases to amaze me.
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um, ok? thanks for the random virtue signaling?JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Mar 23, 2022I’m not surprised things were nice on your walk from yuppie white neighborhood to slightly less yuppie white neighborhood.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Mar 17, 2022huh... i was there in December. didn't spend much time downtown but walked several times between my hotel in Lake View and my friend's place in Budlong Woods. seemed pretty clean and vibrant to me.
Unlike in Chicago, white St. Louisans haven’t walled themselves off from their black and brown neighbors with gentrification (yet). Even our swankiest most gentrified neighborhood is still about 25% black.
This a good thing btw.
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It’s not virtue signalling to point out that the parts of Chicago that people fawn over are the parts that are overwhelmingly white in a city that is anything but. I would hate to see our fair burgh become the object of adoration in the way Chicago has.
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^ some people said things like "boosterism is the only thing keeping Chicago from emptying out" and "Chicago is the worst it's been since the 80s". and i simply said that the parts i saw in December seemed vibrant. that's neither "fawning" nor "adoration" and it's not a denial of Chicago's racial disparities. so i have no idea why you felt the need to lecture me, except that you were foraging for an opportunity to impress us with your virtue.
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You’re right. St. Louis is an incredibly vibrant and clean city. I know because I once walked around the neighborhoods surrounding Forest Park.
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ok. let us know when you're finished shouting into the ether about sh*t that nobody said.
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I don't know why this thread has so many strawmen in it.
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Sounds good. Fill me in the first time you walk west of Western Ave or south of 55th? Cool.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Mar 24, 2022ok. let us know when you're finished shouting into the ether about sh*t that nobody said.
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I just don't get people decrying Chicago as a dying city. I see them as being very much in the same boat as STL but much bigger and with a ridiculously thriving downtown. Crime is bad but how often does it affect the average Chicagoan? I would think about the same as in STL. Don't get involved in the gang wars and you are pretty much good.
Both cities have bright futures. Chicago especially so.
Both cities have bright futures. Chicago especially so.
Dude is so right, I mean, outside of the vibrant, dense, high property values, most walkable and most sought after Downtown of the entire Midwest region... what DOES Chicago have going for it?
Dying city. /s
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^^The people I see trash talking Chicago the most are conservative Metro East people mad that it makes the state so blue. They aren't really fans of any urban center, even if they are Cardinals fans.
Noticed the Coming Soon signed! Washington right next to Whiskey on Washington.
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Also noticed this building. Was gutted and has steel frames inside. Also on Washington.
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Former downstater here. While I am disappointed that the downstate displeasure with Chicago is expressed upon party lines, the displeasure itself is warranted imo. Chicago dominates policy for the state and such policy has caused/failed to address the following which are only a portion of the state's woes:Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Mar 24, 2022^^The people I see trash talking Chicago the most are conservative Metro East people mad that it makes the state so blue. They aren't really fans of any urban center, even if they are Cardinals fans.
- Second fasting shrinking state in the nation behind only West Virginia
- the outcomes ranging from stagnation to outright collapse of every major community outside Chicago's immediate sphere of influence
- skyrocketing debt and pension obligations that will continue to swallow a larger portion of state finances that should go to services for the people. And for being so liberal/democratic they couldn't even pass a common sense income tax hike.
- Collapse of the directional universities that were once the envy of the nation (California excluded)
- Crumbling infrastructure despite high fuel taxes
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Jacobs Engineering will soon leave their offices at 501 Broadway (Stifel building) and into Highlands Medical building at 64 and Hampton. Their lease is going to be up soon and they’re moving to hotel style space that’s much smaller because most employees will only be coming in as needed for collaboration. Highlands was a mid point for their Illinois and Missouri employees.
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I would go downtown more often if there was a new gas station and somewhere to park! /s
Didn't know where to put this, but damn this place is cool.
KTVI Fox 2 St. Louis: Gothic lodge revealed in $1.4M Downtown St. Louis building.
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/1-4m- ... -st-louis/
KTVI Fox 2 St. Louis: Gothic lodge revealed in $1.4M Downtown St. Louis building.
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/1-4m- ... -st-louis/
^Immediately started thinking about how I'd buy it if i won the lottery.
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^ThisHouse did a video tour. Quite the pad. If you win the lottery and buy it I hope you will invite us over from time to time. 