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PostMar 03, 2022#826

urban_dilettante wrote:
Mar 03, 2022
nobody is "pushed" over the speed limit. no offense, but that excuse is complete bullsh*t. on a multi-lane street or road there is no passing lane—you are not obligated to move out of the way for speeders. on the highway, you get in any lane that isn't the passing lane and you drive the speed limit. it's f*cking simple. take responsibility for your behavior. YOU are making a CHOICE to break the law and endanger people's lives. that's on you. nobody is "pushing" you to do it, regardless of how many other people are doing it.
If Americans were like Germans where the left side is actually strictly for passing you’d be right.  But you’re wrong…cause that’s not how it works here, even though it’s legally how it is supposed to work here.

If I had a nickel for every dipshit clogging the left lanes driving too slow, I’d have three nickels for the people using the right lanes to blast by them.  Making it even unsafer for those that would prefer to use the right lanes for slower travel.  If slow Americans actually stayed to the right…you’d win this argument…but they f*cking don’t…and there is a plethora of research that shows idiots driving below the general speed of traffic, on interstates especially, being far more dangerous than your average driver.

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PostMar 03, 2022#827

please, direct me to the "plethora of research" that shows that the vanishingly small number of drivers who actually drive the speed limit are responsible for the majority of the 40,000 annual traffic deaths and over 4 million serious traffic injuries per year in the US. yeah, you're right. it's totally those a**holes who are obeying the laws that exist to prevent drivers from maiming and murdering people that are to blame. it's a little like blaming the rape victim... anything to rationalize sh*tty, selfish behavior, i guess.

so weird that "that’s not how it works here, even though it’s legally how it is supposed to work here." guess it's nobody's fault!

oh, and i didn't say people should drive slow in the passing lane. i said the exact opposite.

anyway, there's no argument. if you regularly exceed the speed limit, you're breaking laws that exist to keep people safe, and you're being an *sshole. sorry if that offends. i'm tired of the f*cking excuses.

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PostMar 03, 2022#828

Car Warsh Daddy strikes again.

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PostMar 03, 2022#829

You don’t drive much in St. Louis, do you? And I didn’t say anything about speed limits. Just people that drive below the general speed of traffic on interstates which actually does cause congestion and other unsafe situations.

I know exactly what you said…my point is the idiots in this town don’t follow your rules…which causes the problems I described. Passing on the right, cut offs, excessive speeding, etc.

If everyone here perfectly followed your rules you’d be right…but people in the US don’t do that…so you’re wrong. I’m not advocating unsafe excessive speeding…never was.

Can confirm literally all of this as an even occasional driver lol:
Driving slower than the surrounding traffic is more likely to cause an accident than speeding, according to research. Driving too slowly can make other drivers around you constantly brake and speed up. It can be frustrating for other drivers, cause confusion and could lead to an accident. Forcing other drivers to adapt to the slower speed could force the other drivers to possibly pass on the right side (if slow driver is impeding the center or left lane). Slow drivers can affect how others react to situations. Ex: waiting behind a slow driver to make a left turn, that driver takes too long and then you must react different and possibly make an unsafe judgement call. Other drivers may tailgate the slow driver, to “push” them along.
Why Do People Drive Under the Speed Limit?
One of the most common reasons motorists drive under the speed limit is because they are driving while distracted. Typically, drivers are distracted by cell phones. They are paying more attention to their phone and try to slow down to multitask. However, this is not safe and can lead to collisions.
https://suttoninsurance.com/blog/why-sl ... dangerous/

https://ww2.motorists.org/wp-content/up ... -sheet.pdf

Q: isn’t driving slower safer?
A. No, federal and state studies have consistently shown that the drivers most likely to get into accidents in traffic are those traveling significantly below the average speed. According to an Institute of Transportation Engineers Study, those driving 10 mph slower than the prevailing speed are six times as likely to be involved in an accident. That means that if the average speed on an interstate is 70 mph, the person traveling at 60 mph is far more likely to be involved in an accident than someone going 70 or even 80 mph.

Q: Wouldn’t everyone drive faster if the speed limit were raised?
A. No, the majority of drivers will not go faster than what they feel is comfortable and safe regardless of the speed limit. For example, an 18-month study following an increase in the speed limit along the New York Thruway from 55 to 65 mph, determined that the average speed of traffic, 68 mph, remained the same. Even a national study conducted by Federal Highway Administration also concluded that raising or lowering the speed limit had practically no effect on actual travel speeds.

Im talking about the average speed of traffic on interstates…not speed limits…

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PostMar 03, 2022#830

Laife Fulk wrote:
Mar 03, 2022
Folks, there's zero reason you have to speed and "keep pace."  That's 100% your personal choice and other drivers can't force you to go faster.
I'd rather stay in the right lane keeping pace and driving defensively rather than getting rear-ended by someone on their phone without insurance or be involved in a road-rage incident.

Just because you're keeping pace doesn't mean you're driving dangerously.

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PostMar 03, 2022#831

Hah. I love the argument of you’ve got to drive fast because everyone else is doing it. Reminds of ‘if every one else jumped off a cliff…’ conversation with parents when I was younger.

I almost always drive below speed limit and no I’ve not been in a bunch of car wrecks (one in the last 20 years) . I believe in getting there safely without being peer-pressured into reckless speeds.

When I drive through the city I am respectful of the people who’s street I am driving through. That means not racing through no matter how aggressively someone tries to tail gate.  I don’t block the left lane but am happy to add traffic calming to the street.

The ‘ look what you made me do’ crowd will just have man up and start taking ownership for their choices and actions.

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PostMar 03, 2022#832

I think I might be getting mixed up with my interpretation of "keeping pace" with the majority of traffic on an interstate vs driving recklessly and abandoning all driving safety laws which you seem to inferring.

I'm very much on your side with regards to reckless driving in all cases, especially in neighborhoods and urban areas.

Staying to the right and maintaining pace with the majority of traffic (most likely ~5mph over the limit) is "meh".

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PostMar 03, 2022#833

Appreciate the clarification. The ‘prevailing speed’ reference in the Q&A didn’t seem to qualify any limits.

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PostMar 03, 2022#834

What I am taking away from this is that most of the cues people use to determine how fast they drive are not related to the posted speed limit signs, but instead are related to other factors--how fast other people are going, how safe driving a certain speed feels, etc. Not novel observations, of course, but speak to the fact that better road design would help address these issues.

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PostMar 04, 2022#835

Streetsblog USA - St. Louis Lawmakers Refuse to Ban Legislating While Driving … While Driving

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2022/03/04/ ... e-driving/

PostMar 04, 2022#836

StlToday - Police chief: Body camera video ‘speaks for itself’ in contested traffic stop involving alderman

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 0ac37.html

StlToday - Messenger: A lesson for St. Louis alderman — respect is a two-way street

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/col ... 943c7.html

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PostMar 04, 2022#837

After watching the video I can see what Vaccaro was annoyed, issuing him a ticket for having no proof of insurance when he literally had it in his hand is highly unethical and probably illegal. However, not sure why he felt the need to publicize this incident.

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PostMar 04, 2022#838

Exiting the vehicle straight away was really stupid.

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PostMar 12, 2022#839

Ebsy wrote:
Mar 04, 2022
After watching the video I can see what Vaccaro was annoyed, issuing him a ticket for having no proof of insurance when he literally had it in his hand is highly unethical and probably illegal. However, not sure why he felt the need to publicize this incident.
Not sure why either.  It could pit his constituency against the police department, which this corner of the city could certainly be described as 'pro blue'.  Not quite sure what he had to gain from this.

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PostApr 15, 2022#840

Ald Sarah Wood Martin of the 11th is resigning.

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PostApr 15, 2022#841

urban_dilettante wrote:
Mar 03, 2022
please, direct me to the "plethora of research" that shows that the vanishingly small number of drivers who actually drive the speed limit are responsible for the majority of the 40,000 annual traffic deaths and over 4 million serious traffic injuries per year in the US. yeah, you're right. it's totally those a**holes who are obeying the laws that exist to prevent drivers from maiming and murdering people that are to blame. it's a little like blaming the rape victim... anything to rationalize sh*tty, selfish behavior, i guess.

so weird that "that’s not how it works here, even though it’s legally how it is supposed to work here." guess it's nobody's fault!

oh, and i didn't say people should drive slow in the passing lane. i said the exact opposite.

anyway, there's no argument. if you regularly exceed the speed limit, you're breaking laws that exist to keep people safe, and you're being an *sshole. sorry if that offends. i'm tired of the f*cking excuses.
I think a large part of the American slowpokes-in-left-lanes problem is driven by our idiotic practice of moving freight in 18-wheelers in the same modality as passenger vehicles. Trucks entering the highway push everyone farther left, and if there are only two lanes, there they are.

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PostApr 16, 2022#842

quincunx wrote:
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Ald Sarah Wood Martin of the 11th is resigning.
She is a lobbyist so Prop R forced her out.

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PostApr 16, 2022#843

^She was unlikely to win election in the reduced wards anyway.

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PostApr 17, 2022#844

symphonicpoet wrote:
Apr 16, 2022
^She was unlikely to win election in the reduced wards anyway.
Honestly not sure, she was one of the big winners of redistricting, I don't think anyone else was drawn into her ward.

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PostApr 17, 2022#845

Wasn’t Schweitzer?

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PostApr 17, 2022#846

So who’s next in the resignation list?

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PostApr 18, 2022#847

Ebsy wrote:
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symphonicpoet wrote:
Apr 16, 2022
^She was unlikely to win election in the reduced wards anyway.
Honestly not sure, she was one of the big winners of redistricting, I don't think anyone else was drawn into her ward.
She had Bill Stephen’s and Ann Schweitzer, and nobody is beating Ann

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PostApr 20, 2022#848

Mike Gras was elected 28th ward alderman tonight. Not sure if 11th ward will have a special election but if not, this was officially the last election for the current board of aldermen and current 28 ward makeup. Sort of historic and sad if so (in the way that the past is being left behind).

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PostApr 26, 2022#849

Been a lot of turnover in the 28th in recent years, hopefully the new board will be more stable with members actually sticking out their terms.

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PostMay 02, 2022#850

Annie Rice not running next year.

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