Ah, my apologies. I thought you specifically said you included the MLS garage. I misunderstood.npav wrote: ↑Jan 20, 2022^ Fair points. I did exclude the MLS Parking Garage from the area calculations since like you said, garages are used year-round for general purposes and not just sports. Included the one at Enterprise because it's an extension of the building and already the smallest footprint by far.
Left out the Busch Stadium garages for same reason.
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I have an MLS or major league question…
How do STL stadiums hire seasonal talent? Do they share? Are there people who work full time between Busch and Enterprise, will MLS expand that?
How do STL stadiums hire seasonal talent? Do they share? Are there people who work full time between Busch and Enterprise, will MLS expand that?
I don't know all the specifics but Larry, our Busch Stadium beer man also works outside Portal 7(?) at Enterprise. I also once saw The King (another legendary Busch beer man) working a Rams game way back when. My guess is they probably bounce around a bit.
It feels like a wise use of the regions sport authority would be to manage event staff that the stadiums could then contract with.
Between stadiums/arenas, conventions, sports/recreation facilities it feels like the employees specifically would benefit from consolidation.
Ideally, someone shouldn’t have to worry about their income at the end of a season. Consistency could do wonders at attracting new talent to the roles.
Between stadiums/arenas, conventions, sports/recreation facilities it feels like the employees specifically would benefit from consolidation.
Ideally, someone shouldn’t have to worry about their income at the end of a season. Consistency could do wonders at attracting new talent to the roles.
No they do not share as all three venues used different companies. Busch uses Delaware National, Enterprise is chained to that horrible Levy contract and when the Rams were here, the Dome was under Aramark. But then after the Rams left, Levy took over as Aramark just let the contract expire.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2022I have an MLS or major league question…
How do STL stadiums hire seasonal talent? Do they share? Are there people who work full time between Busch and Enterprise, will MLS expand that?
So the venues don't share, but many people work 2 or 3 of the places. But apparently the bosses at Busch are complete jerks and if there was a conflict with a Cardinal game you couldn't work at the Blues or Rams under threat of being fired or losing seniority. So the Blues and Rams concessions managers knew that and let it slide.
It's usually farmed out. Busch and Enterprise used SportService for decades until it was bought out by Delaware North. Delaware North still manages Busch (and Chaifetz), not sure who does Enterprise (Levy, thanks dweebe!). A public sports authority isn't going to have any interest in running food service I'd imagine though.
Ah, so the privatized contract process (likely including a 10-25% contract overhead) currently implemented is exploiting its workers and the wealthy team owners don’t care to communicate to make it easier? Shocked.
If venues are public assets… maybe the workforce should be also?
If venues are public assets… maybe the workforce should be also?
What else are they doing? Lol.sc4mayor wrote: A public sports authority isn't going to have any interest in running food service I'd imagine though.
^ It doesn't really matter what they're doing.
A company like Delaware North is going to have far better buying power than the RSA. Mostly because they're managing stadiums, arenas, hotels and other venues across North America.
It's not just managing employees and vendors, it's purchasing food, beer, plates, cups, napkins, liquor, etc. The RSA would never be able to compete with a company like Delaware North just based on volume. If you think that beer and hot dog are expensive now...
A company like Delaware North is going to have far better buying power than the RSA. Mostly because they're managing stadiums, arenas, hotels and other venues across North America.
It's not just managing employees and vendors, it's purchasing food, beer, plates, cups, napkins, liquor, etc. The RSA would never be able to compete with a company like Delaware North just based on volume. If you think that beer and hot dog are expensive now...
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I don't know what your point is here.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2022Ah, so the privatized contract process (likely including a 10-25% contract overhead) currently implemented is exploiting its workers and the wealthy team owners don’t care to communicate to make it easier? Shocked.
If venues are public assets… maybe the workforce should be also?
-Let's not forget that the MLS stadium is pretty much 100% privately financed.
-Yes the Enterprise Center was heavily publicly financed and the recent renovations got public money. But you know what the city gets out of it? Tax revenue and a very healthy pile of money from the nearby parking garages and lots.
-Busch Stadium was 90% privately financed. IIRC the city didn't put anything in to it and the county let the Cardinals use some low interest loans.
-Let's not even go over the boondoggle that was the TWA/Ed Jones Dome and the NFL. We're out of that abusive relationship.
Every single sports team farms out concessions to companies like Legends, Levy, Delaware National as that's what those companies specialize in. Plus they can rotate full time employees. I know Levy Enterprise folks also cover Mizzou football and basketball. They actually bus employees up and back. Or in Chicago Levy runs a number of the restaurants on Navy Pier, but then get shifted to the United Center and Wrigley Field on game days.
In addition, using concessions company is a liability shield for the teams and entities that own the venue. Aramark had to pay out like $125 million after an overserved NY Giants fan crashed in to a family.
https://www.espn.com/espn/sportsbusines ... id=1972279
That's why you can't buy more that two drinks at a time at games.
Well, I’ve learned a lot, thanks!
The primary purpose of the question was to better understand the challenges of those carrying our entertainment venues.
The primary purpose of the question was to better understand the challenges of those carrying our entertainment venues.
BTW: tell everyone you know to please stop yelling at the vendors about the 2 beer rule and the credit card only (no cash). The two drink rule has been around forever.
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Also, jobs are posted on each venue / team's websites and they all (or at least did last time I checked) do utilize SLATE to help recruit talent. Keep in mind that food/beverage/concessions and part time guest service staff like ushers are not run by the same groups. Concessions is almost always through a vendor while almost all guest services groups are managed in house (though this will vary depending on venue of course). Security is almost always a third party vendor, such as CSC. Just different levels of needs and it can also be very dependent on the type of event that happening. Example: a small arena may use a private security agency to complete bag checks and use metal detectors for large concerts, but if it's hosting a high school graduation then there may be no security needed and its all guest service staff simply scanning tickets at the entrances.
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Not just North America... Delaware North is also the hospitality management company for Wembley Stadium, and several other stadia in the UK.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2022^ It doesn't really matter what they're doing.
A company like Delaware North is going to have far better buying power than the RSA. Mostly because they're managing stadiums, arenas, hotels and other venues across North America.
The initial $135M judgment apparently got tossed on appeal. David Lanzaro (the drunk driver who was personally responsible for $30M of the original judgment) ultimately settled with the family for $200K, and Aramark settled for $25M.dweebe wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2022I don't know what your point is here.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2022Ah, so the privatized contract process (likely including a 10-25% contract overhead) currently implemented is exploiting its workers and the wealthy team owners don’t care to communicate to make it easier? Shocked.
If venues are public assets… maybe the workforce should be also?
-Let's not forget that the MLS stadium is pretty much 100% privately financed.
-Yes the Enterprise Center was heavily publicly financed and the recent renovations got public money. But you know what the city gets out of it? Tax revenue and a very healthy pile of money from the nearby parking garages and lots.
-Busch Stadium was 90% privately financed. IIRC the city didn't put anything in to it and the county let the Cardinals use some low interest loans.
-Let's not even go over the boondoggle that was the TWA/Ed Jones Dome and the NFL. We're out of that abusive relationship.
Every single sports team farms out concessions to companies like Legends, Levy, Delaware National as that's what those companies specialize in. Plus they can rotate full time employees. I know Levy Enterprise folks also cover Mizzou football and basketball. They actually bus employees up and back. Or in Chicago Levy runs a number of the restaurants on Navy Pier, but then get shifted to the United Center and Wrigley Field on game days.
In addition, using concessions company is a liability shield for the teams and entities that own the venue. Aramark had to pay out like $125 million after an overserved NY Giants fan crashed in to a family.
https://www.espn.com/espn/sportsbusines ... id=1972279
That's why you can't buy more that two drinks at a time at games.
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You could also probably just purchase a liability policy from any number of insurance companies, and/or better train your employees on over-serving/identifying those who have been over-served.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑Feb 09, 2022The initial $135M judgment apparently got tossed on appeal. David Lanzaro (the drunk driver who was personally responsible for $30M of the original judgment) ultimately settled with the family for $200K, and Aramark settled for $25M.dweebe wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2022I don't know what your point is here.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2022Ah, so the privatized contract process (likely including a 10-25% contract overhead) currently implemented is exploiting its workers and the wealthy team owners don’t care to communicate to make it easier? Shocked.
If venues are public assets… maybe the workforce should be also?
-Let's not forget that the MLS stadium is pretty much 100% privately financed.
-Yes the Enterprise Center was heavily publicly financed and the recent renovations got public money. But you know what the city gets out of it? Tax revenue and a very healthy pile of money from the nearby parking garages and lots.
-Busch Stadium was 90% privately financed. IIRC the city didn't put anything in to it and the county let the Cardinals use some low interest loans.
-Let's not even go over the boondoggle that was the TWA/Ed Jones Dome and the NFL. We're out of that abusive relationship.
Every single sports team farms out concessions to companies like Legends, Levy, Delaware National as that's what those companies specialize in. Plus they can rotate full time employees. I know Levy Enterprise folks also cover Mizzou football and basketball. They actually bus employees up and back. Or in Chicago Levy runs a number of the restaurants on Navy Pier, but then get shifted to the United Center and Wrigley Field on game days.
In addition, using concessions company is a liability shield for the teams and entities that own the venue. Aramark had to pay out like $125 million after an overserved NY Giants fan crashed in to a family.
https://www.espn.com/espn/sportsbusines ... id=1972279
That's why you can't buy more that two drinks at a time at games.
STL CITY SC just pushed out a notification through their app that just says 38°37'47.6"N 90°12'33.1"W (That's the corner of Market and 20th, for the record).
There's an-in-app video that I can't get to play but it's titled "2.15.22: Meet our New Founding Partner" and includes a stadium emoji, so I'm guessing the stadium might be getting its name.
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There's an-in-app video that I can't get to play but it's titled "2.15.22: Meet our New Founding Partner" and includes a stadium emoji, so I'm guessing the stadium might be getting its name.
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GPS coordinates maybe indicate that it’s a Geospatial company?rbb wrote:STL CITY SC just pushed out a notification through their app that just says 38°37'47.6"N 90°12'33.1"W (That's the corner of Market and 20th, for the record).
There's an-in-app video that I can't get to play but it's titled "2.15.22: Meet our New Founding Partner" and includes a stadium emoji, so I'm guessing the stadium might be getting its name.
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What Geospatial company in St. Louis is large enough to pay for stadium naming rights?
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I can't quite match the blue used for the date at the end of the video with any large companies. Bayer is close but not quite.