The State of Downtown

sc4mayor · PostNov 09, 2021#36262021-11-09T15:55+00:00

By the time the City pays off the bonds it’ll be well over $130 million.

The most expensive upgrades were to stuff fans won’t ever see. Technology, ice making facilities, locker rooms, etc.

The Bud Light Zone was rebuilt and expanded and is much nicer now, they also built another club upstairs, but I think you have to have a suite ticket to get in as I was not able to get access with a regular ticket.

I actually think the building is pretty nice now. I do my drinking before games where it’s cheaper and ride Metro down…so I’m not super concerned with having a building chocked full of bars anyway.

I personally was never under the impression the outdoor addition was real. I always assumed that was a concept of “what could be.” I actually thought it was kind of ugly haha. I’d rather just see the parking lots around the stadium filled in.

dweebe · PostNov 09, 2021#36272021-11-09T16:02+00:00

sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Nov 09, 2021
By the time the City pays off the bonds it’ll be well over $130 million.

The most expensive upgrades were to stuff fans won’t ever see. Technology, ice making facilities, locker rooms, etc.

The Bud Light Zone was rebuilt and expanded and is much nicer now, they also built another club upstairs, but I think you have to have a suite ticket to get in as I was not able to get access with a regular ticket.

I actually think the building is pretty nice now. I do my drinking before games where it’s cheaper and ride Metro down…so I’m not super concerned with having a building chocked full of bars anyway.

I personally was never under the impression the outdoor addition was real. I always assumed that was a concept of “what could be.” I actually thought it was kind of ugly haha. I’d rather just see the parking lots around the stadium filled in.

I know they also dreamed about a pedestrian bridge so that cars entering/exiting off Clark into the Kiel garage wouldn't interact with people walking.

But that proposed addition to the front looked tacky.

dbInSouthCity · PostNov 09, 2021#36282021-11-09T16:27+00:00

It was about $105,000,000 and that’s what the blues got from the city. I’ve been thinking about this a bit and the Blued are absolutely ripping off the City in this deal because they cry poor. STL city should be getting all revenue from the arena outside the blues games but right now the blues are

Besides life cycle maintenance, city isn’t putting another penny into this place for at least 20 years

PostNov 09, 2021#36292021-11-09T16:32+00:00

I’ve talked to Union Station people about the restaurant/bar space on the NW corner and they’ve been thinking about a sports bar there

bwcrow1s · PostNov 09, 2021#36302021-11-09T16:33+00:00

The Blues ownership has stated they don't have the same DeWitt levels of development interest.

Also, why would they want competition for their $12 beers? It is a true shame there is little to no semblance of independent entertainment immediately adjacent. It's a sad, sterile (albeit, dirty) walk around there. $100m and they couldn't even clean the stains off the building.

All that said, I pregame at soulard pubs and take shuttles. I've done Hair of the Dog a few times. It's not a bad walk really anywhere, but there is little to do after the game, and most of it involves crossing highway width corridors like Market or Tucker.

JJ Taino · PostNov 09, 2021#36312021-11-09T16:37+00:00

Yeah Market and Tucker need road diets ASAP! And again with all those federal funds now is the time.

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debaliviere · PostNov 09, 2021#36322021-11-09T16:55+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Nov 09, 2021
I’ve talked to Union Station people about the restaurant/bar space on the NW corner and they’ve been thinking about a sports bar there

That would make a ton of sense.

JJ Taino · PostNov 09, 2021#36332021-11-09T16:57+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote:I’ve talked to Union Station people about the restaurant/bar space on the NW corner and they’ve been thinking about a sports bar there

Tell them we need it ASAP specially with MLS across the street as well.

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dbInSouthCity · PostNov 09, 2021#36342021-11-09T17:32+00:00

Checked in with that today and it’s in design. Still kicking around idea if it should be sports themed or soccer and a name. I’ve given them a few ideas.

JJ Taino · PostNov 09, 2021#36352021-11-09T17:33+00:00

Nice!!! See these are great news!!! And these are news that we all agree on lol…

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dredger · PostNov 09, 2021#36362021-11-09T18:30+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Nov 09, 2021
Checked in with that today and it’s in design. Still kicking around idea if it should be sports themed or soccer and a name. I’ve given them a few ideas.

Thanks for asking about it. Curious on ideas you had passed on. Union Station/LHM, if I got the correct owner, has enough space and room that they could probably build out the space to do both, straight up sports and soccer, & simply move employees around depending on season/whose playing.

I think LHM could embrace a lot more and maybe they are thinking beyond the hotel/theme attractions. Believe LHM still has Westport. Would love to see if they could encourage & pull off a WWT downtown campus somewhere in the mix, part of my speculative thought.

dbInSouthCity · PostNov 10, 2021#36372021-11-10T21:27+00:00

Some observations I’ve seen this week (note that some could be nothing or something)

Someone was looking at the Mango space yesterday
Someone is looking at commercial spaces at park pacific tomorrow
Someone was looking at a building for sale across the street from butler brothers
Gathering of people (pre bid meeting maybe) at butler brothers this morning
Shell hotel work wrapping up by end of year
Building block west of Tap Room is getting gutted.(2 story next to the 5 story)

k_fremont · PostNov 10, 2021#36382021-11-10T23:59+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Nov 10, 2021
Someone was looking at a building for sale across the street from butler brothers

On the Locust or Olive side?

Because I'd love to see someone take on 1701 & 1711 Locust St projects.

dbInSouthCity · PostNov 11, 2021#36392021-11-11T00:04+00:00

k_fremont wrote: ↑
Nov 10, 2021
dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Nov 10, 2021
Someone was looking at a building for sale across the street from butler brothers
On the Locust or Olive side?

Because I'd love to see someone take on 1701 & 1711 Locust St projects.

This one.

Those, I’ve spoken to the new CRO director about putting more pressure on the owner. Previous mayor had a relationship with the owner so hopefully Mayor Jones isn’t as understanding

debaliviere · PostNov 11, 2021#36402021-11-11T14:09+00:00

That's a great block.

chris fuller · PostNov 11, 2021#36412021-11-11T14:22+00:00

Whats to become of the lack luster 7 story building on the corner?
Looks to me as if some of the window ac units are about ready to fall out

Black02AltimaSE · PostNov 11, 2021#36422021-11-11T14:56+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Nov 10, 2021
Some observations I’ve seen this week (note that some could be nothing or something)

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Building block west of Tap Room is getting gutted.(2 story next to the 5 story)

That's this, right?

https://nextstl.com/2021/06/the-22-ahm-group-commences-redevelopment-of-42-units-at-2200-locust/

dbInSouthCity · PostNov 11, 2021#36432021-11-11T16:21+00:00

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DTGstl314 · PostNov 11, 2021#36452021-11-11T20:30+00:00

dweebe wrote: ↑
Oct 18, 2021
whitherSTL wrote: ↑
Oct 18, 2021
Just leaving a 2-day jaunt in Nashville. All I can say is we’re being punked by our political and business leaders. What a sad sad downtown we have and don’t deserve. It’s high time STL pulls it’s head out of its azz, quit voting for leaders who only care about social equity, and get our downtown to respectability.

They have no post-Covid issues there missing workers and people downtown. Such a joke.
St. Louis would be in a hell of a lot better shape if it was the state capital and the state politicians weren't actively seeking to destroy it's biggest city because most of it's residents are the wrong skin color and political party.

I assume you meant "St. Louis would be in a hell of a lot better shape if it was the state capital and the state politicians weren't actively seeking to destroy the central city of it's biggest metropolitan area"?

Missouri's biggest city is 250 miles west of St. Louis.

symphonicpoet · PostNov 12, 2021#36462021-11-12T06:08+00:00

^Do you have any idea how old that gets? Kansas City is lovely, but give it a blooming rest. Everyone knew exactly what Dweebe meant and people generally only use that saw when either they're ignorant of the state or they want to insult St. Louis.

DTGstl314 · PostNov 12, 2021#36472021-11-12T06:25+00:00

JJ Taino wrote: ↑
Nov 05, 2021
GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:You can't judge downtown on the rents/condo costs of CityView. That place is god awful. I had a friend who lived there and apparently the entire building is filled with enormous cockroaches and problematic tenants that management does nothing about.
My best friend just moved out finally bought a home but he said just that! Those apartments are ghetto as hell. But again prices let those problematic people move in.

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Why the euphemistic "those problematic people"? Why not just say what you mean... "the blacks"?

JJ Taino · PostNov 12, 2021#36482021-11-12T12:45+00:00

DTGstl314 wrote:
JJ Taino wrote: ↑
Nov 05, 2021
GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:You can't judge downtown on the rents/condo costs of CityView. That place is god awful. I had a friend who lived there and apparently the entire building is filled with enormous cockroaches and problematic tenants that management does nothing about.
My best friend just moved out finally bought a home but he said just that! Those apartments are ghetto as hell. But again prices let those problematic people move in.

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Why the euphemistic "those problematic people"? Why not just say what you mean... "the blacks"?

That building has white crackheads maybe they’re meth heads who knows as well but those apartments the blacks and whites are the problem. I’ve seen there’s a lot of Asians (I think they’re Hindus) that live there and they’re not the problem you even see them gathering and playing and cleaning outside. That’s why I followed through with those words been used in the convo because is more than one ethnic group. As stated before not scared calling out who’s wrong!

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OnTheEdge · PostNov 12, 2021#36492021-11-12T13:33+00:00

Got it. Blacks and whites = bad. Asians or Hindus = good. Sounds reasonable. /s

JJ Taino · PostNov 12, 2021#36502021-11-12T13:42+00:00

OnTheEdge wrote:Got it. Blacks and whites = bad. Asians or Hindus = good. Sounds reasonable. /s

In that building yes!

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