Loved staying at the JW down in New Orleans; would love to see one in STL.chriss752 wrote: ↑Aug 23, 2021Marriott is a pretty big name in the St. Louis hotel world. This site would be perfect for a JW Marriott with a signature top floor restaurant. Just sayin'
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funny, I've been thinking since moving to CWE that JW would be perfect for Optimist site. Either JW, Conrad or Ritz condo tower would be great additions to the park edge.
Why not both? A dual-branded hotel with the W providing the hotel-service residences tie-in, the multi-level rooftop lounge, and the overall cool factor that JW lacks...pop_scientist wrote: ↑Aug 23, 2021Either a JW or W would be a nice grab...large gap in the midwest for both of those hotels.chriss752 wrote: ↑Aug 23, 2021Marriott is a pretty big name in the St. Louis hotel world. This site would be perfect for a JW Marriott with a signature top floor restaurant. Just sayin'
But personally, I'm holding out for a Bulgari Hotel and Spa, with the 2-story Bulgari Boutique on the corner of Lindell and Kingshighway.
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The JW in Nashville certainly has the coolness factor.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.157576, ... 384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.157576, ... 384!8i8192
My experience and stays at JW has been downtown LA and New Orleans. Not sure of all their locations but certainly have enjoyed my JW stays at these locations.
So in my mind and experience I see JW located in some high traffic/destination type profile, So I don't think JW in CWE is really as good as fit for them to land their brand at. To me a better fit for a St. Louis JW would be either Drury's landing spot (especially if your replace raised freeway w blvd) where you have Arch Grounds/Casino/Convention Space/Wash Ave. or maybe even better, knock down the empty Millennium tower and plop JW where you got Arch grounds/BPV/Busch Stadium & short walk over to CVC or Casino. Between Cardinals on a good year/Arch Grounds/Convention business you have 4ish million visitors downtown
So in my mind and experience I see JW located in some high traffic/destination type profile, So I don't think JW in CWE is really as good as fit for them to land their brand at. To me a better fit for a St. Louis JW would be either Drury's landing spot (especially if your replace raised freeway w blvd) where you have Arch Grounds/Casino/Convention Space/Wash Ave. or maybe even better, knock down the empty Millennium tower and plop JW where you got Arch grounds/BPV/Busch Stadium & short walk over to CVC or Casino. Between Cardinals on a good year/Arch Grounds/Convention business you have 4ish million visitors downtown
? Your link is just a picture of the exterior of the hotel structure...GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Aug 27, 2021The JW in Nashville certainly has the coolness factor.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.157576, ... 384!8i8192
Anyway, I guess it is as cool or hip as any location of a large, homogeneous hotel chain named for an LDS Church high priest possibly can be...
Is this better? http://www.lisadiederichphotography.com ... photograph
Since that link doesn't show the rooms:
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Also, I'm staying at the new JW Marriott in Tampa next Monday. Just a tad excited... Wow this thread got derailed.
Since that link doesn't show the rooms:
Also, I'm staying at the new JW Marriott in Tampa next Monday. Just a tad excited... Wow this thread got derailed.
Hopefully Chris will be getting us back on track soon.aprice wrote:Wow this thread got derailed.
^ Yep, need a good teaser right about now. Otherwise might be tempted to do another long winded off topic post like i just did on the former Iron Hill thread.
No new teaser or anything to report on this project at this time. My hope is that there will be something to share by the Fall but for now, just know that things are moving behind the scenes and the core drilling survey is helping with this behind the scenes stuff.
^ I figured it’d be a couple months at least…but Fall is just right around the corner now
Yeah, I just went to the Marriott website after Harv's post. There are lots of pics there.aprice wrote: ↑Sep 01, 2021Is this better? http://www.lisadiederichphotography.com ... photograph
Since that link doesn't show the rooms:
Also, I'm staying at the new JW Marriott in Tampa next Monday. Just a tad excited... Wow this thread got derailed.
But your pic illustrates the point nicely. That room could be in any newer, high-end large chain conference hotel; Westin, Hyatt, Hilton, etc. Nothing remotely distinctive about it or any of the interior, other than the Bourbon Steak and Lounge in the penthouse, which, other than the view, is rather bland.
I've stayed in a whole lot of hotels like this, all over the country, including JW Marriott, and can't recall anything remarkable, or "cool" about any of them, beyond their locations.
Bringing it back on topic. My point was this:
If I know the Koplars, assuming they have any say in it, they will want a hotel brand that is distinctive, unique to the Midwest outside of Chicago, likely East or Southeast Asian-themed, and most importantly, one which serves as a perfect design and service tie-in for hotel-branded residences.
While I do believe there is a market for a large (400+ rooms), new conference hotel in the Central West End, especially on this corner, there is an even better market for high-end residences with a luxury and/or hip, art and high-design-themed brand, service, and amenities. Plus, that's a concept that's far more likely to motivate the current property owners.
If I know the Koplars, assuming they have any say in it, they will want a hotel brand that is distinctive, unique to the Midwest outside of Chicago, likely East or Southeast Asian-themed, and most importantly, one which serves as a perfect design and service tie-in for hotel-branded residences.
While I do believe there is a market for a large (400+ rooms), new conference hotel in the Central West End, especially on this corner, there is an even better market for high-end residences with a luxury and/or hip, art and high-design-themed brand, service, and amenities. Plus, that's a concept that's far more likely to motivate the current property owners.
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If both needs could be satisfied here, why not pursue both and build a truly landmark tower for the Central West End; one that rises a fair bit above 100, and that, hopefully, drives investment to the massive parking lot at the corner of Euclid and Lindell?
I'd love to see a building that is 500-feet-tall at this corner. I'm expecting much shorter, of course; but it really would be so neat to see something like that added to the Kingshighway streetscape.
I'd love to see a building that is 500-feet-tall at this corner. I'm expecting much shorter, of course; but it really would be so neat to see something like that added to the Kingshighway streetscape.
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Per all this speculation, perhaps we should anticipate a tower featuring both a high-end hotel brand and private residences, with entertainment-centric retail including at least one premium-service restaurant. I'd very much like to see some new luxury retail at the base of whatever goes in there.
Urbanitas: I'm not so certain the Koplars are seeking to go all-in on an Asian-centric branding for this, even if they still have all those statues from Mandarin in a warehouse somewhere that're just begging to see some light again. That said, I wouldn't mind Mandarin Oriental Hotel Group doing something here in the least.
Pure speculation: Perhaps two towers could go up here under one base, with one residential and the other hotel, maybe like Aria in Vegas?
That said, no, I don't necessarily want to see Aria recreated in the CWE, but two towers sure would be cool there.
Urbanitas: I'm not so certain the Koplars are seeking to go all-in on an Asian-centric branding for this, even if they still have all those statues from Mandarin in a warehouse somewhere that're just begging to see some light again. That said, I wouldn't mind Mandarin Oriental Hotel Group doing something here in the least.
Pure speculation: Perhaps two towers could go up here under one base, with one residential and the other hotel, maybe like Aria in Vegas?
That said, no, I don't necessarily want to see Aria recreated in the CWE, but two towers sure would be cool there.
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The Aria is gorgeous, IMO. Mandarin is my best case scenario, everything is as good as it could be brand but there are a host of great options. We even have an example of one base 2 towers here with Forsyth Pointe, though this design would hopefully be much, much better.gone corporate wrote:Per all this speculation, perhaps we should anticipate a tower featuring both a high-end hotel brand and private residences, with entertainment-centric retail including at least one premium-service restaurant. I'd very much like to see some new luxury retail at the base of whatever goes in there.
Urbanitas: I'm not so certain the Koplars are seeking to go all-in on an Asian-centric branding for this, even if they still have all those statues from Mandarin in a warehouse somewhere that're just begging to see some light again. That said, I wouldn't mind Mandarin Oriental Hotel Group doing something here in the least.
Pure speculation: Perhaps two towers could go up here under one base, with one residential and the other hotel, maybe like Aria in Vegas?
That said, no, I don't necessarily want to see Aria recreated in the CWE, but two towers sure would be cool there.
I think adding residential would certainly also reduce risk. Lots of big resorts in Vegas and other cities see a mix of uses in each building. Sometimes even multiple hotel brands.
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"Asian-themed" was too strong of a phrase, and wasn't really what I meant. There is zero chance of any of the Asian-themed, high-end luxury brands like Mandarin, Peninsula, Shangri-La, Raffles, Hotel Nikko, etc. locating in St. Louis anyway, unless someone is willing to subsidize one (or attach it to a casinogone corporate wrote: ↑Sep 02, 2021Urbanitas: I'm not so certain the Koplars are seeking to go all-in on an Asian-centric branding for this, even if they still have all those statues from Mandarin in a warehouse somewhere that're just begging to see some light again. That said, I wouldn't mind Mandarin Oriental Hotel Group doing something here in the least.
).Asian-influenced, in terms of design and service would be more accurate. I'm thinking of something like Rosewood Hotels, which has a hotel-branded residence concept, and may be the only Asian-owned chain still in expansion mode in the Western Hemisphere...
As much as I like the discussion of a hotel brand and why, it's not worth continuing for this project. We can dream of having a 5 star hotel here and what not, but it's not in the cards. There is nothing else to report right now.
Well, the point was that hotel-branded luxury residences are a completely untapped market in the St. Louis metro and, outside of Clayton, this is probably the best parcel in the region for them.chriss752 wrote: ↑Sep 04, 2021As much as I like the discussion of a hotel brand and why, it's not worth continuing for this project. We can dream of having a 5 star hotel here and what not, but it's not in the cards. There is nothing else to report right now.
And they will need a very high end hotel brand to sell luxury residences. Forest Park Residences by Sheraton just isn't going to cut it.
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Whatever happens here, the developer better not disappoint. It needs to be urban, big, and architecturally significant. This is the most noteworthy piece of undeveloped real estate in 250 miles.
There's a boutique version of that model directly across the street - the Chase Park Plaza Royal Sonesta and the Private Residences at the Chase Park Plaza.urbanitas wrote: ↑Sep 08, 2021Well, the point was that hotel-branded luxury residences are a completely untapped market in the St. Louis metro and, outside of Clayton, this is probably the best parcel in the region for them.chriss752 wrote: ↑Sep 04, 2021As much as I like the discussion of a hotel brand and why, it's not worth continuing for this project. We can dream of having a 5 star hotel here and what not, but it's not in the cards. There is nothing else to report right now.
And they will need a very high end hotel brand to sell luxury residences. Forest Park Residences by Sheraton just isn't going to cut it.
BellaVilla wrote:Whatever happens here, the developer better not disappoint. It needs to be urban, big, and architecturally significant. This is the most noteworthy piece of undeveloped real estate in 250 miles.
I believe the design is worthy to share the Central West End skyline with the Chase and 100. In some aspects, I feel like it achieves a much better "big city" feel than 100 does and honestly looks like something you'd see in New York or Chicago. It's a stand-out building, but feels like it has its place and home right here in the Central West End. It just seems natural for this site and neighborhood in a way.
Moderators, I encourage you to change the title since Koman and KPF are no longer involved. Maybe just change it to "Koplar's Lindell and Kingshighway Project".
Moderators, I encourage you to change the title since Koman and KPF are no longer involved. Maybe just change it to "Koplar's Lindell and Kingshighway Project".