Any idea why so long?KansasCitian wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021It stinks that this project will take 7-10 years to complete
I was going to ask the same questionOnTheEdge wrote:Any idea why so long?KansasCitian wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021It stinks that this project will take 7-10 years to complete
Personally I’ve always thought of this project as GRG making up for over focusing on the burbs in the past. Just look at their map of current Greenways…not much of a City presence. Extremely suburban to date.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021Because GRG is legally required to build greenways across 3 counties.
They can’t just take their primary funding sources and pour them into one project in one jurisdiction, that would be illegal. There is no dedicated funding source for Brickline like the Prop P tax increase that helped fund the expensive Arch Grounds rebuild. That means GRG is going to have to raise a huge amount of private funds to compete this. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
Still, we’ll see significant pieces of this completed or under construction well before 7-10 years. Patience is a virtue, folks.
They have a unwritten policy (like MoDOT) to spend money not on need but based on where revenue/population is atSouthCityJR wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021Personally I’ve always thought of this project as GRG making up for over focusing on the burbs in the past. Just look at their map of current Greenways…not much of a City presence. Extremely suburban to date.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021Because GRG is legally required to build greenways across 3 counties.
They can’t just take their primary funding sources and pour them into one project in one jurisdiction, that would be illegal. There is no dedicated funding source for Brickline like the Prop P tax increase that helped fund the expensive Arch Grounds rebuild. That means GRG is going to have to raise a huge amount of private funds to compete this. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
Still, we’ll see significant pieces of this completed or under construction well before 7-10 years. Patience is a virtue, folks.
Well the city is only 10% of the Metro area and the vast majority of GRG’s public funding comes from outside of it.SouthCityJR wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021Personally I’ve always thought of this project as GRG making up for over focusing on the burbs in the past. Just look at their map of current Greenways…not much of a City presence. Extremely suburban to date.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021Because GRG is legally required to build greenways across 3 counties.
They can’t just take their primary funding sources and pour them into one project in one jurisdiction, that would be illegal. There is no dedicated funding source for Brickline like the Prop P tax increase that helped fund the expensive Arch Grounds rebuild. That means GRG is going to have to raise a huge amount of private funds to compete this. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
Still, we’ll see significant pieces of this completed or under construction well before 7-10 years. Patience is a virtue, folks.
Can't say I agree with this. St. Louis actually has very good greenway system for a metro it's size, hell even some bigger metros. I live in Tampa Bay and they have nothing remotely resembling a regional bike network, much less a light rail system. For a slow growth, fragmented, medium sized metro. I think St. Louis is actually doing very well in a lot of areas that it doesn't get credit for.eee123 wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021It's hard to be patient when we just fall farther and farther behind while each of us loses years of our lives that we're young and healthy enough to bike.
This global bike infrastructure boom of the last 10-15 years has barely touched St. Louis even though we have great potential (wide streets with few cars).
Other cities seem to be nimbly adapting while we're taking 10 times as long to do 1/10th as much.
Or someone that has some great writing skills get together with others thats have ideas and sent proposals to national companies. Idk like Coca-Cola, or Walmart, Nike who knows. But something in that ballpark. I’m the worst writer ever but I can bring ideas and help helping who ever is writing all this stuff. I just want to make it happen!sc4mayor wrote:Well the city is only 10% of the Metro area and the vast majority of GRG’s public funding comes from outside of it.SouthCityJR wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021Personally I’ve always thought of this project as GRG making up for over focusing on the burbs in the past. Just look at their map of current Greenways…not much of a City presence. Extremely suburban to date.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021Because GRG is legally required to build greenways across 3 counties.
They can’t just take their primary funding sources and pour them into one project in one jurisdiction, that would be illegal. There is no dedicated funding source for Brickline like the Prop P tax increase that helped fund the expensive Arch Grounds rebuild. That means GRG is going to have to raise a huge amount of private funds to compete this. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
Still, we’ll see significant pieces of this completed or under construction well before 7-10 years. Patience is a virtue, folks.
For those that are anxious, cut a check. That’s not meant to be snide but GRG has been upfront from the beginning that a full buildout can’t happen without private money, which they’re attempting to raise as we speak. So help ‘em out, maybe we could start a GoFundMe for those that want to contribute but don’t have the funds to cut a Taylor sized check.
Half of my complaint was on-street infrastructure, which is semi-off-topic here. Every other city is building bike lanes that you'd feel safe to use with a kid or non-cyclist adult. We have very, very few of those.goat314 wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021Can't say I agree with this. St. Louis actually has very good greenway system for a metro it's size, hell even some bigger metros. I live in Tampa Bay and they have nothing remotely resembling a regional bike network, much less a light rail system. For a slow growth, fragmented, medium sized metro. I think St. Louis is actually doing very well in a lot of areas that it doesn't get credit for.eee123 wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021It's hard to be patient when we just fall farther and farther behind while each of us loses years of our lives that we're young and healthy enough to bike.
This global bike infrastructure boom of the last 10-15 years has barely touched St. Louis even though we have great potential (wide streets with few cars).
Other cities seem to be nimbly adapting while we're taking 10 times as long to do 1/10th as much.
That’s what I’m saying!urbanitas wrote:Why doesn't GRG have a more organized, public saturation campaign similar to Forest Park Forever, soliciting sponsorships and corporate naming rights/signage for high-profile features and infrastructure projects (the I-64 bridge for example) perhaps even certain stretches of greenway, and smaller private donations for a maintenance fund? They could sell plaques or bricks placed along the trail, etc., etc.
I remember when the Forest Park Forever campaign kicked off. I would get mail solicitations or see some ad or another at least once a week...and by all accounts that campaign was extremely successful.
100% with you on that... Additionally, it's pretty awesome how much I've reduced my driving by biking to work most days.eee123 wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2021I don't believe in driving to bike on a regular basis for various reasons.
Same with me when I lived downtown. I used to ride the Riverfront Trail a lot, but would also ride out Olive to midtown and CWE to get to the park and do a few laps. Olive is big enough with bike lanes to be not so bad, but the stretch of Lindell from Grand to the park sucked. I'd cut over to Pine after Vandeventer but still even that small stretch of Olive/Lindell sucked. Anyone who isn't comfortable riding a bike close to cars, forget it.eee123 wrote:On trails, I have basically one option, the Riverfront Trail. Crossing the McKinley, through neighborhoods over to the Schoolhouse Trail is another semi-OK option that doesn't require all that much on-street riding. Every other trail is miles away. The city even refuses to make the underused Eads a decent bike option to cross the river.
