dbInSouthCity wrote:If that’s the case wheelhouse would have been closed long time ago for all the fights, sexual assaults and rapes that happen literally inside their nightclub
Has there been an instance where patrons have gone to “get their guns” and attempt murder after a confrontation around wheelhouse? Much less twice in a week?
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Dismissing sexual assaults and rapes as no biggie (which happen to random people) in side the biz because two morons decided to settle an argument with guns in a parking lot at another Biz seems odd.
Wheelhouse, a nightclub actually lied on their permit that they were a sports bar.
What about 2 fatal shootings inside ballpark
Village?
dbInSouthCity wrote:If that’s the case wheelhouse would have been closed long time ago for all the fights, sexual assaults and rapes that happen literally inside their nightclub
Has there been an instance where patrons have gone to “get their guns” and attempt murder after a confrontation around wheelhouse? Much less twice in a week?
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Dismissing sexual assaults and rapes as no biggie (which happen to random people) in side the biz because two morons decided to settle an argument with guns in a parking lot at another Biz seems odd.
Wheelhouse, a nightclub actually lied on their permit that they were a sports bar.
What about 2 fatal shootings inside ballpark
Village?
The topic was Reign and the very distressing issue of people getting shot outside of that establishment, not WH or BV. You distorted the topic for unknown reasons but I suspect why. You then claim I dismiss sexual assaults and rapes (none that have been made public at the establishments you brought to the chat). If there are, then we can address, condemn, and present solutions.
Back to the topic, if you can stay on point, thankfully no one has passed away (yet). I hope for the safety of the patrons and citizens around this place a solution to eliminate this activity is determined.
On top of the public safety issue, it is a very poor public image for a downtown that struggles with this very problem.
I don’t want this establishment to fail but also cannot have people being shot weekly. I’m all ears for solutions.
The topic is public safety in downtown, everything is applicable. And the solutions that some here offer don’t fix anything because this was happening at Marquee down the road and their solution just pushed it to another place, they just move the problem else where. Actually solutions fix gun laws, allow SLMPD to work with feds on cases without being fined $50,000 or sued by defendant
And finally there was 23 crimes against a person in downtown in June (latest data) and nearly 4,000,000 people cumulatively passed through downtown in June, 1/173,000 victim of one of those crimes and majority of victims weren’t random
If DT sucks so bad why do apartments continue to be built and filled? Why did Square move there? Why did the Feds move 1000 jobs there? Why did Larson capital management move in from Chesterfield? Why did Build a Bear move in? Why are advocato and other firms expanding?
^ he’s had 1/4th of downtown for 6 years, all that time he spent enabling Hubbard in the 5th ward which had another 1/4th, other then show up for photo ops and hand out incentives like Candy he’s done absolutely nothing for downtown
BellaVilla wrote:If DT sucks so bad why do apartments continue to be built and filled? Why did Square move there? Why did the Feds move 1000 jobs there? Why did Larson capital management move in from Chesterfield? Why are advocato and other firms expanding DT?
Frankly, Coatar’s musings sound like typical right wing fear mongering
It’s not political… At least in my view is a serious concern! We need to relocate the homeless from the parks. I doubt Square CEO is happy right now with that invasion next to his building after investing over $70M. Shooting in DT should not happen and if they do we need to catch them and process these scumbags! I love that DT is growing but I think it will grow at a faster pace if it was safer! Us as Saint Louisan’s (I’m a new member of the city so I have no idea how its spelled lol) need to ask and request our leaders to do better!! What’s the fix? I have no idea. I have mentioned things that could help but the city is the one in charge and needs to make our market more attractive! We’re competing with Milwaukee, Nashville, KC and in my opinion specially Nashville is way ahead of us and I don’t want that! I want STL to be the heart of medium size cities!
BellaVilla wrote:If DT sucks so bad why do apartments continue to be built and filled? Why did Square move there? Why did the Feds move 1000 jobs there? Why did Larson capital management move in from Chesterfield? Why are advocato and other firms expanding DT?
Frankly, Coatar’s musings sound like typical right wing fear mongering
It’s not political… At least in my view is a serious concern! We need to relocate the homeless from the parks. I doubt Square CEO is happy right now with that invasion next to his building after investing over $70M. Shooting in DT should not happen and if they do we need to catch them and process these scumbags! I love that DT is growing but I think it will grow at a faster pace if it was safer! Us as Saint Louisan’s (I’m a new member of the city so I have no idea how its spelled lol) need to ask and request our leaders to do better!! What’s the fix? I have no idea. I have mentioned things that could help but the city is the one in charge and needs to make our market more attractive! We’re competing with Milwaukee, Nashville, KC and in my opinion specially Nashville is way ahead of us and I don’t want that! I want STL to be the heart of medium size cities!
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Yes and everyone agrees with this. And regarding crime and gun crime, incidents are way down and cases are being closed at a rate not seen in many years. So, people need to give the crime thing a rest while we wait to see if the new administrations tactics are succeeding or a mere blip.
Ald Coatar, who has attended about 10-20% of downtown neighborhoods association meetings since 2018, has decided to finally get involved in downtown issues- can’t help to think he’s positioning himself for a mayoral run or maybe he finally cares about downtown?
I lived in Chicago from 1999-2018 and operated two high-volume nightclubs. One in the West Loop on Lake Street and another on Kingsbury just north of downtown. If a shooting happened outside (involving verified patrons of the business) a venue would be immediately shut down by the Liquor Commission. If you were able to reopen at all you'd have to implement an improvement plan drawn up by the Liquor Commission and local police district commander. Plans included outside security... especially a plan to clear the area at closing time. Even without a shooting incident a simple high tally of police calls would trigger an improvement plan (which actually did happen at one facility I operated). Holding a liquor license is a privilege and comes with great responsibility. That responsibility extends outside the front door and includes both public safety of the immediate area and cleanliness of parking on both public streets and private parking lots. A portion of my LARGE security staff would monitor outside areas starting before closing time. Once all patrons were out of the building the entire security staff would stage at multiple strategic spots where parking was facilitated to quickly clear the area. Our staff would then pick up all debris/cans/bottles in a three block radius of the venue. This was expected of all high-volume night clubs downtown. Operators who didn't follow through were shut down. Period. St. Louis doesn't have a strong liquor commission. Reign and Wheelhouse would not exist today with a Chicago-style commission.
STLinCHI wrote:I lived in Chicago from 1999-2018 and operated two high-volume nightclubs. One in the West Loop on Lake Street and another on Kingsbury just north of downtown. If a shooting happened outside (involving verified patrons of the business) a venue would be immediately shut down by the Liquor Commission. If you were able to reopen at all you'd have to implement an improvement plan drawn up by the Liquor Commission and local police district commander. Plans included outside security... especially a plan to clear the area at closing time. Even without a shooting incident a simple high tally of police calls would trigger an improvement plan (which actually did happen at one facility I operated). Holding a liquor license is a privilege and comes with great responsibility. That responsibility extends outside the front door and includes both public safety of the immediate area and cleanliness of parking on both public streets and private parking lots. A portion of my LARGE security staff would monitor outside areas starting before closing time. Once all patrons were out of the building the entire security staff would stage at multiple strategic spots where parking was facilitated to quickly clear the area. Our staff would then pick up all debris/cans/bottles in a three block radius of the venue. This was expected of all high-volume night clubs downtown. Operators who didn't follow through were shut down. Period. St. Louis doesn't have a strong liquor commission. Reign and Wheelhouse would not exist today with a Chicago-style commission.
I’d like to call out an obvious bias before making any statements regarding Reign night club: dbInSouthCity has a relationship with the owner of Reign, Dana Kelly. His fiancée ran her failed political campaign a few years ago. So, Dana Kelly paid dbInSouthCity’s fiancée. And they are all friends. I think it disingenuous for dbInSouthCity not to preface his defense for Reign by stating his obvious bias. I’ve attached a tweet showing dbInSouthCity, Dana Kelly & dbInSouthCity’s fiancée “having fun” during that failed political campaign they were involved in.
Further, I find dbInSouthCity’s statements deflective. Of course if Wheelhouse or BPV had two shootings in one week the Downtown community would be up in arms. But that has not happened. And, the shooting referenced at BPV happened years ago in the Crown Room, during a promoted event — Reign promotes events often. Promoted events are illegal for obvious reasons. Crown Room immediately stopped promoted events and to my knowledge has not had further problems.
7 people have been shot at Dana Kelly’s Reign since December, in a very densely populated residential neighborhood. Wheelhouse & BPV are no where near as densely populated with residents.
A few of you have asked “who is working to better Downtown”? There is a group working to better Downtown by putting a new Community Improvement District (CID) in place. Their website is www.citizensforagreaterdowntown.org
They are lead by Les Sterman, a Downtown resident that lives near Reign. Les lead East-West Gateway Council of Governments which was responsible for Metrolink expansion as well as the 1999 Washington Avenue streetscape improvements. He knows a thing or two about Downtowns, planning & implementation. We are lucky to have him living Downtown in retirement.
Les’ group, Citizens for a Greater Downtown CID Inc, has put out this audio file of Dana Kelly speaking to the Downtown Neighborhood Association (DNA) Safety Committee during Dana’s liquor license application process. Anyone interested in further discussions regarding Reign should listen. It’s informative:
Downtown1999 wrote:I’d like to call out an obvious bias before making any statements regarding Reign night club: dbInSouthCity has a relationship with the owner of Reign, Dana Kelly. His fiancée ran her failed political campaign a few years ago. So, Dana Kelly paid dbInSouthCity’s fiancée. And they are all friends. I think it disingenuous for dbInSouthCity not to preface his defense for Reign by stating his obvious bias. I’ve attached a tweet showing dbInSouthCity, Dana Kelly & dbInSouthCity’s fiancée “having fun” during that failed political campaign they were involved in.
Further, I find dbInSouthCity’s statements deflective. Of course if Wheelhouse or BPV had two shootings in one week the Downtown community would be up in arms. But that has not happened. And, the shooting referenced at BPV happened years ago in the Crown Room, during a promoted event — Reign promotes events often. Promoted events are illegal for obvious reasons. Crown Room immediately stopped promoted events and to my knowledge has not had further problems.
7 people have been shot at Dana Kelly’s Reign since December, in a very densely populated residential neighborhood. Wheelhouse & BPV are no where near as densely populated with residents.
A few of you have asked “who is working to better Downtown”? There is a group working to better Downtown by putting a new Community Improvement District (CID) in place. Their website is www.citizensforagreaterdowntown.org
They are lead by Les Sterman, a Downtown resident that lives near Reign. Les lead East-West Gateway Council of Governments which was responsible for Metrolink expansion as well as the 1999 Washington Avenue streetscape improvements. He knows a thing or two about Downtowns, planning & implementation. We are lucky to have him living Downtown in retirement.
Les’ group, Citizens for a Greater Downtown CID Inc, has put out this audio file of Dana Kelly speaking to the Downtown Neighborhood Association (DNA) Safety Committee during Dana’s liquor license application process. Anyone interested in further discussions regarding Reign should listen. It’s informative:
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Thanks! And wow 7 shootings in less than a year and still operating? Just wow!!! She must have some dirt on someone. Any other city that place would’ve been close since the first incident.
I’d like to call out an obvious bias before making any statements regarding Reign night club: dbInSouthCity has a relationship with the owner of Reign, Dana Kelly. His fiancée ran her failed political campaign a few years ago. So, Dana Kelly paid dbInSouthCity’s fiancée. And they are all friends. I think it disingenuous for dbInSouthCity not to preface his defense for Reign by stating his obvious bias. I’ve attached a tweet showing dbInSouthCity, Dana Kelly & dbInSouthCity’s fiancée “having fun” during that failed political campaign they were involved in.
Further, I find dbInSouthCity’s statements deflective. Of course if Wheelhouse or BPV had two shootings in one week the Downtown community would be up in arms. But that has not happened. And, the shooting referenced at BPV happened years ago in the Crown Room, during a promoted event — Reign promotes events often. Promoted events are illegal for obvious reasons. Crown Room immediately stopped promoted events and to my knowledge has not had further problems.
7 people have been shot at Dana Kelly’s Reign since December, in a very densely populated residential neighborhood. Wheelhouse & BPV are no where near as densely populated with residents.
A few of you have asked “who is working to better Downtown”? There is a group working to better Downtown by putting a new Community Improvement District (CID) in place. Their website is www.citizensforagreaterdowntown.org
They are lead by Les Sterman, a Downtown resident that lives near Reign. Les lead East-West Gateway Council of Governments which was responsible for Metrolink expansion as well as the 1999 Washington Avenue streetscape improvements. He knows a thing or two about Downtowns, planning & implementation. We are lucky to have him living Downtown in retirement.
Les’ group, Citizens for a Greater Downtown CID Inc, has put out this audio file of Dana Kelly speaking to the Downtown Neighborhood Association (DNA) Safety Committee during Dana’s liquor license application process. Anyone interested in further discussions regarding Reign should listen. It’s informative:
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What are you insane? Sexist? My partner is a businessman. She works with any orgs, people, companies, candidates and its all business. She managed a campaign 3 years ago for Kelley. That’s the last time I saw Dana. This is all creepy, extremely creepy, searching for 3 year old tweets is just Matt Fredrick creepy
What is your association with the newly proposed CID?
And since you brought up Les, (nice old man, not exactly a visionary leader for the Next downtown and it’s future but nevertheless a good decent person) anyway, since you brought him up and his qualifications and time as the ED at East West Gateway, which signed off and approved billions of dollars of highway sprawl going west that contributed to the depopulation of the City
And thank you for posting a link to the Grift CID, you’d have to be insane to sign for this thing. First Dan and Les install themselves to a 4 year board of directors term without Mayoral appointment or BOA consent. So they get to hire their friend at a $165,000 Executive Grift Director & a few other grifty $100,000+’positions and this Grift plans to spend just $300,000 out of $3,300,000 million on on safety and security in 2024, just 9%. Current CID might be incompetent but it’s not corrupt, you can fix incompetence, not corruption
If you were to sign this sham cid document you should demand a conflict of interest page to be signed that none of the people below will accept a position, contract from the CID in the next 5 years, that no family members of theirs will either and any known associates, it’s the only way to stop a grift.
Downtown1999 wrote:I’d like to call out an obvious bias before making any statements regarding Reign night club: dbInSouthCity has a relationship with the owner of Reign, Dana Kelly. His fiancée ran her failed political campaign a few years ago. So, Dana Kelly paid dbInSouthCity’s fiancée. And they are all friends. I think it disingenuous for dbInSouthCity not to preface his defense for Reign by stating his obvious bias. I’ve attached a tweet showing dbInSouthCity, Dana Kelly & dbInSouthCity’s fiancée “having fun” during that failed political campaign they were involved in.
Further, I find dbInSouthCity’s statements deflective. Of course if Wheelhouse or BPV had two shootings in one week the Downtown community would be up in arms. But that has not happened. And, the shooting referenced at BPV happened years ago in the Crown Room, during a promoted event — Reign promotes events often. Promoted events are illegal for obvious reasons. Crown Room immediately stopped promoted events and to my knowledge has not had further problems.
7 people have been shot at Dana Kelly’s Reign since December, in a very densely populated residential neighborhood. Wheelhouse & BPV are no where near as densely populated with residents.
A few of you have asked “who is working to better Downtown”? There is a group working to better Downtown by putting a new Community Improvement District (CID) in place. Their website is www.citizensforagreaterdowntown.org
They are lead by Les Sterman, a Downtown resident that lives near Reign. Les lead East-West Gateway Council of Governments which was responsible for Metrolink expansion as well as the 1999 Washington Avenue streetscape improvements. He knows a thing or two about Downtowns, planning & implementation. We are lucky to have him living Downtown in retirement.
Les’ group, Citizens for a Greater Downtown CID Inc, has put out this audio file of Dana Kelly speaking to the Downtown Neighborhood Association (DNA) Safety Committee during Dana’s liquor license application process. Anyone interested in further discussions regarding Reign should listen. It’s informative:
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Thanks! And wow 7 shootings in less than a year and still operating? Just wow!!! She must have some dirt on someone. Any other city that place would’ve been close since the first incident.
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None of those are Reign’s fault. Leave them alone. They should get to do what they want. Stop being a bully. /s
Downtown1999 wrote:I’d like to call out an obvious bias before making any statements regarding Reign night club: dbInSouthCity has a relationship with the owner of Reign, Dana Kelly. His fiancée ran her failed political campaign a few years ago. So, Dana Kelly paid dbInSouthCity’s fiancée. And they are all friends. I think it disingenuous for dbInSouthCity not to preface his defense for Reign by stating his obvious bias. I’ve attached a tweet showing dbInSouthCity, Dana Kelly & dbInSouthCity’s fiancée “having fun” during that failed political campaign they were involved in.
Further, I find dbInSouthCity’s statements deflective. Of course if Wheelhouse or BPV had two shootings in one week the Downtown community would be up in arms. But that has not happened. And, the shooting referenced at BPV happened years ago in the Crown Room, during a promoted event — Reign promotes events often. Promoted events are illegal for obvious reasons. Crown Room immediately stopped promoted events and to my knowledge has not had further problems.
7 people have been shot at Dana Kelly’s Reign since December, in a very densely populated residential neighborhood. Wheelhouse & BPV are no where near as densely populated with residents.
A few of you have asked “who is working to better Downtown”? There is a group working to better Downtown by putting a new Community Improvement District (CID) in place. Their website is www.citizensforagreaterdowntown.org
They are lead by Les Sterman, a Downtown resident that lives near Reign. Les lead East-West Gateway Council of Governments which was responsible for Metrolink expansion as well as the 1999 Washington Avenue streetscape improvements. He knows a thing or two about Downtowns, planning & implementation. We are lucky to have him living Downtown in retirement.
Les’ group, Citizens for a Greater Downtown CID Inc, has put out this audio file of Dana Kelly speaking to the Downtown Neighborhood Association (DNA) Safety Committee during Dana’s liquor license application process. Anyone interested in further discussions regarding Reign should listen. It’s informative:
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Thanks! And wow 7 shootings in less than a year and still operating? Just wow!!! She must have some dirt on someone. Any other city that place would’ve been close since the first incident.
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None of those are Reign’s fault. Leave them alone. They should get to do what they want. Stop being a bully. /s
How is it their fault? Do we no longer believe in personal responsibility?
The place hired off duty police, it paid SLMPD to bring out its mobile camera trailer and place it at the front door.
Closing down a biz and kicking this down the road didn’t work for downtown 3 years ago when this happened at Mood at locust and 20th. The same group wanted to close Marquee, and look at it now, a thriving downtown biz with no issues because people got together and found a solution.
Anyone interested in further discussions regarding Reign should listen. It’s informative:
Man, that was a little tough to listen to. A microcosm of the STL in a nutshell. I can empathize with both parties in that interview - the interviewer wanting to protect their community - and the business owner wanting to maximize success of their business venture - but at the same time also cringe at the level of thinly veiled racist statements from the interviewer and disingenuous statements from the interviewee.
Could the interviewer be any more clear without saying it that they don't want African American's representing hip hop culture enjoying nightlife in their community? That, mind you, was a club district before it was a residential community.
Hip hop culture is beautiful. St. Louis should be celebrating its art and diversity. Not trying to put a lid on it.
In my opinion, anyone who's buys on Washington Ave and doesn't expect to hear some degree of clubbing, especially on weekend nights, well, I'm sorry for them for not doing their homework before making a big investment, but hey, that's the neighborhood you bought in.
Of course, that said, I'm not excusing it when things get criminally out of hand, and that is clearly what the interviewer is concerned with, and justifiably so, as it's a safety concern anyone should be concerned with.... And I think this brings us back to policing.... Which is an entirely different can of worms....
IMHO, this is just yet another symptom of a much larger issue: Marginalization of the have nots and how much the happenstance of being born into a specific zip code in the STL impacts your future.
The real solution is for the region to act as one and equalize opportunity as much as possible. This approach will take possibly an a act of god (i.e. some sort of reuniting of the city/county at a minimum, more even distribution of tax dollars for school funding, etc, etc, etc) and even then will maybe take a generation or so to start seeing the dividends. Not that it's not worth doing, it's just that there's no quick fix there.
In the meantime, hopefully leadership can mitigate things as best as possible to keep things as copacetic as possible.
Downtown1999 wrote:I’d like to call out an obvious bias before making any statements regarding Reign night club: dbInSouthCity has a relationship with the owner of Reign, Dana Kelly. His fiancée ran her failed political campaign a few years ago. So, Dana Kelly paid dbInSouthCity’s fiancée. And they are all friends. I think it disingenuous for dbInSouthCity not to preface his defense for Reign by stating his obvious bias. I’ve attached a tweet showing dbInSouthCity, Dana Kelly & dbInSouthCity’s fiancée “having fun” during that failed political campaign they were involved in.
Further, I find dbInSouthCity’s statements deflective. Of course if Wheelhouse or BPV had two shootings in one week the Downtown community would be up in arms. But that has not happened. And, the shooting referenced at BPV happened years ago in the Crown Room, during a promoted event — Reign promotes events often. Promoted events are illegal for obvious reasons. Crown Room immediately stopped promoted events and to my knowledge has not had further problems.
7 people have been shot at Dana Kelly’s Reign since December, in a very densely populated residential neighborhood. Wheelhouse & BPV are no where near as densely populated with residents.
A few of you have asked “who is working to better Downtown”? There is a group working to better Downtown by putting a new Community Improvement District (CID) in place. Their website is www.citizensforagreaterdowntown.org
They are lead by Les Sterman, a Downtown resident that lives near Reign. Les lead East-West Gateway Council of Governments which was responsible for Metrolink expansion as well as the 1999 Washington Avenue streetscape improvements. He knows a thing or two about Downtowns, planning & implementation. We are lucky to have him living Downtown in retirement.
Les’ group, Citizens for a Greater Downtown CID Inc, has put out this audio file of Dana Kelly speaking to the Downtown Neighborhood Association (DNA) Safety Committee during Dana’s liquor license application process. Anyone interested in further discussions regarding Reign should listen. It’s informative:
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Thanks! And wow 7 shootings in less than a year and still operating? Just wow!!! She must have some dirt on someone. Any other city that place would’ve been close since the first incident.
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Yes, 7. Since December. And very doubtful the Excise Commissioner will revoke Reign’s liquor license. You should be concerned about your property values. We should all be concerned for Downtown. Tax generation by Downtown is going to either grow slowly or go backward w/o action by Excise. I doubt the politicians really care. They can deflect, as you see dbInSouthCity deflect from Reign’s responsibilities to the petition circle that granted them a liquor license.
^ Can you stop deflecting and just answer my questions from above. What is your association with the Grift CID?
There haven’t been 7. That’s a lie, your original post even proves it
Let’s play a game, which downtown nightclub is this that said it will be a “sports bar”
Thanks! And wow 7 shootings in less than a year and still operating? Just wow!!! She must have some dirt on someone. Any other city that place would’ve been close since the first incident.
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None of those are Reign’s fault. Leave them alone. They should get to do what they want. Stop being a bully. /s
How is it their fault? Do we no longer believe in personal responsibility?
The place hired off duty police, it paid SLMPD to bring out its mobile camera trailer and place it at the front door.
Closing down a biz and kicking this down the road didn’t work for downtown 3 years ago when this happened at Mood at locust and 20th. The same group wanted to close Marquee, and look at it now, a thriving downtown biz with no issues because people got together and found a solution.
I’ve never worked a nightclub but I’ve worked at regular bars. At one we had a fight that required an ambulance then a gun flourishing: we got shut down for 8 days.
How many shootings have to occur around Reign before they get some to spend some time on the bench? Or does the downtown sucks/the cops suck/leadership sucks deflection earn them the right for these things to continue?
None of those are Reign’s fault. Leave them alone. They should get to do what they want. Stop being a bully. /s
How is it their fault? Do we no longer believe in personal responsibility?
The place hired off duty police, it paid SLMPD to bring out its mobile camera trailer and place it at the front door.
Closing down a biz and kicking this down the road didn’t work for downtown 3 years ago when this happened at Mood at locust and 20th. The same group wanted to close Marquee, and look at it now, a thriving downtown biz with no issues because people got together and found a solution.
I’ve never worked a nightclub but I’ve worked at regular bars. At one we had a fight that required an ambulance then a gun flourishing: we got shut down for 8 days.
How many shootings have to occur around Reign before they get some to spend some time on the bench? Or does the downtown sucks/the cops suck/leadership sucks deflection earn them the right for these things to continue?
2 of the 3 shootings that have happened there had the parties involved eat at burro loco before hand, what should burro loco get? 14 days? 30days?
1000s of drunk driving accidents including some fatal can be traced to drinking at Busch stadium before hand, 5 year ban for fans at Busch?
Anyone interested in further discussions regarding Reign should listen. It’s informative:
Man, that was a little tough to listen to. A microcosm of the STL in a nutshell. I can empathize with both parties in that interview - the interviewer wanting to protect their community - and the business owner wanting to maximize success of their business venture - but at the same time also cringe at the level of thinly veiled racist statements from the interviewer and disingenuous statements from the interviewee.
Could the interviewer be any more clear without saying it that they don't want African American's representing hip hop culture enjoying nightlife in their community? That, mind you, was a club district before it was a residential community.
Hip hop culture is beautiful. St. Louis should be celebrating its art and diversity. Not trying to put a lid on it.
In my opinion, anyone who's buys on Washington Ave and doesn't expect to hear some degree of clubbing, especially on weekend nights, well, I'm sorry for them for not doing their homework before making a big investment, but hey, that's the neighborhood you bought in.
Of course, that said, I'm not excusing it when things get criminally out of hand, and that is clearly what the interviewer is concerned with, and justifiably so, as it's a safety concern anyone should be concerned with.... And I think this brings us back to policing.... Which is an entirely different can of worms....
IMHO, this is just yet another symptom of a much larger issue: Marginalization of the have nots and how much the happenstance of being born into a specific zip code in the STL impacts your future.
The real solution is for the region to act as one and equalize opportunity as much as possible. This approach will take possibly an a act of god (i.e. some sort of reuniting of the city/county at a minimum, more even distribution of tax dollars for school funding, etc, etc, etc) and even then will maybe take a generation or so to start seeing the dividends. Not that it's not worth doing, it's just that there's no quick fix there.
In the meantime, hopefully leadership can mitigate things as best as possible to keep things as copacetic as possible.
“Could the interviewer be any more clear without saying it that they don't want African American's representing hip hop culture enjoying nightlife in their community? That, mind you, was a club district before it was a residential community.”
It WAS a club district. The clubs were allowed in to help the speculators/owners carry their vacant, deteriorating, historic warehouses. But when McGowans, Pyramid, LoftWorks & others redeveloped Downtown they had to first kick the clubs out. You cannot truly sound proof a building w/o spending millions and even then it is never adequate if residents are above.
McGowans built Lucas Park Grille, but the first 3 floors above were made office. This buffered sound transmission some, and McGowans knew they needed a restaurant destination.
Orchard Development followed suit and built Red Moon (now Blood & Sand) but had the insight to write into their own HOA bylaws some controls so as to avoid future loud venues.
Most developers of lofts failed to copy the Orchard plan, which protected residents in longevity.
Example: Reign. Reign is massive. That’s because developer Bill Bruce built it as a gift/passion project for his friend “ET” … Bill passed away. The portfolio was sold. And Reign now occupies the space. Check out the Vanguard Lofts comments on the rental websites. They are not good. I hear Vanguard has lost double digit occupancy since Reign moved in.
I do not hear “hip hop” once in the audio clip. Does it really matter? It’s about sound. You cannot have loud music under thousands of residents.
The idea the loft district is an “entertainment district” is something propagated by the concentration of ground floor venues. It’s far more, by square feet, a residential district. And, again, you must be concerned about sound if the two are going to mix.
Bottom line, Dana Kelly flat out lied. You don’t really acknowledge that in your post. She literally said she wouldn’t have live music, loud music or after 11 PM hours.
