dweebe wrote:The Charlotte MLS team will play at Bank of America stadium.
I see what you did there. Centene would be the perfect fit for naming rights of this new Stadium in St. Louis.
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I see what you did there. Centene would be the perfect fit for naming rights of this new Stadium in St. Louis.
What would the benefit be for Centene?
Name recognition isn't going to do much for them, and they clearly don't care much about goodwill or community relations.
Plus they already have their name on a minor league baseball stadium.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jul 22, 2021What would the benefit be for Centene?moorlander wrote: ↑Jul 22, 2021dweebe wrote: The Charlotte MLS team will play at Bank of America stadium.
I see what you did there. Centene would be the perfect fit for naming rights of this new Stadium in St. Louis.
Name recognition isn't going to do much for them, and they clearly don't care much about goodwill or community relations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centene_Stadium
Lol, interesting. I was not aware they had an office there, so I guess that's one benefit to their purchase of naming rights.dweebe wrote: ↑Jul 22, 2021Plus they already have their name on a minor league baseball stadium.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jul 22, 2021What would the benefit be for Centene?
Name recognition isn't going to do much for them, and they clearly don't care much about goodwill or community relations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centene_Stadium
But I wonder how much naming rights on a 4000-seat, independent minor league baseball stadium in Great Falls, Montana go for? A sandwich? Sandwich and a beer? They paid for the parking lot stripes?
I’d say a majority of corporations with the money for stadium naming rights don’t need name recognition. Busch and Enterprise being two of them here in St. Louis. They have their name on the Blues practice facility. And as much as people want to get on Centene case, I would guess there community relations are on par with most other big corporations. They hosted an event with the Cardinals today giving out awards.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jul 22, 2021What would the benefit be for Centene?moorlander wrote: ↑Jul 22, 2021dweebe wrote: The Charlotte MLS team will play at Bank of America stadium.
I see what you did there. Centene would be the perfect fit for naming rights of this new Stadium in St. Louis.
Name recognition isn't going to do much for them, and they clearly don't care much about goodwill or community relations.
Actually, Centene gives enormous amounts of money to St. Louis area causes, and also organizes employee activities in community volunteering etc. Their name is at the top of the sponsor board at countless events and activities. Neidorf himself is well-known as a top local philanthropist.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jul 22, 2021
Name recognition isn't going to do much for them, and they clearly don't care much about goodwill or community relations.
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Centene also donated $4mil for the planned Clayton ice rink in Shaw Park.
We are talking about naming rights and corporate sponsorships. You are talking about charitable donations, which every large public company, and ridiculously well-compensated CEOs like Neirdorf, do.framer wrote: ↑Jul 23, 2021Actually, Centene gives enormous amounts of money to St. Louis area causes, and also organizes employee activities in community volunteering etc. Their name is at the top of the sponsor board at countless events and activities. Neidorf himself is well-known as a top local philanthropist.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jul 22, 2021
Name recognition isn't going to do much for them, and they clearly don't care much about goodwill or community relations.
Charitable donations, presumably, are done for reasons other than just corporate/brand image and community warm and fuzzies...
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Sure, but you also said they “clearly don’t care much about goodwill or community relations” which is what framer was pointing out as being incorrect.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2021We are talking about naming rights and corporate sponsorships. You are talking about charitable donations, which every large public company, and ridiculously well-compensated CEOs like Neirdorf, do.framer wrote: ↑Jul 23, 2021Actually, Centene gives enormous amounts of money to St. Louis area causes, and also organizes employee activities in community volunteering etc. Their name is at the top of the sponsor board at countless events and activities. Neidorf himself is well-known as a top local philanthropist.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jul 22, 2021
Name recognition isn't going to do much for them, and they clearly don't care much about goodwill or community relations.
Charitable donations, presumably, are done for reasons other than just corporate/brand image and community warm and fuzzies...
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Am I crazy? I thought the original Centene comment was a joke given the fact we all think they have one foot out the door.
But Framer didn't point out that my comment was incorrect.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2021Sure, but you also said they “clearly don’t care much about goodwill or community relations” which is what framer was pointing out as being incorrect.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2021We are talking about naming rights and corporate sponsorships. You are talking about charitable donations, which every large public company, and ridiculously well-compensated CEOs like Neirdorf, do.framer wrote: ↑Jul 23, 2021Actually, Centene gives enormous amounts of money to St. Louis area causes, and also organizes employee activities in community volunteering etc. Their name is at the top of the sponsor board at countless events and activities. Neidorf himself is well-known as a top local philanthropist.
Charitable donations, presumably, are done for reasons other than just corporate/brand image and community warm and fuzzies...
He simply pointed out that Centene Corp. and Neirdorf donate money to charitable causes. Okay, that's great, but it does not establish that they "care much about goodwill or community relations", unless one naively makes assumptions about their motivations.
What does establish that they do NOT care about community relations and goodwill is the pyromaniac's glee with which Neirdorf is busily burning bridges before Centene is even halfway across the river...
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That’s why I think Centene would be the company of choice for naming rights. It will show a commitment to the City long term that everyone can rally around.Black02AltimaSE wrote:Am I crazy? I thought the original Centene comment was a joke given the fact we all think they have one foot out the door.
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Not sure how you can establish which corporations care and which ones don't - everything is based on assumptions about company motivations.
City SC helped install the city’s first futsal court at Marquette Park:
https://www.stlcitysc.com/futsal-court- ... _DOWauOo9o
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https://www.stlcitysc.com/futsal-court- ... _DOWauOo9o
Absolutely shocking that they would be wasting their limited time and resources on such things before they've even kicked off their first season!sc4mayor wrote: ↑Sep 25, 2021City SC helped install the city’s first futsal court at Marquette Park:
https://www.stlcitysc.com/futsal-court- ... _DOWauOo9o
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What’s the sarcasm for? Not sure I get why this is a bad thing…urbanitas wrote: ↑Sep 25, 2021Absolutely shocking that they would be wasting their limited time and resources on such things before they've even kicked off their first season!sc4mayor wrote: ↑Sep 25, 2021City SC helped install the city’s first futsal court at Marquette Park:
https://www.stlcitysc.com/futsal-court- ... _DOWauOo9o
It was a reference to some of the reactions to my earlier suggestion on this thread (pg. 97). Since they won't have a field available to the public on their expensive, new CITY SC soccer training campus, I simply suggested that perhaps CITY should consider sponsoring or kicking in some funds to renovate and layout at least one proper public soccer field to replace the comically-sad-looking fields in DeSoto Park, only 6 blocks north of their shiny new stadium...Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021What’s the sarcasm for? Not sure I get why this is a bad thing…urbanitas wrote: ↑Sep 25, 2021Absolutely shocking that they would be wasting their limited time and resources on such things before they've even kicked off their first season!sc4mayor wrote: ↑Sep 25, 2021City SC helped install the city’s first futsal court at Marquette Park:
https://www.stlcitysc.com/futsal-court- ... _DOWauOo9o
Why do you celebrate this but any upgrades to DeSoto Park is such a dumb idea?sc4mayor wrote: ↑Sep 25, 2021City SC helped install the city’s first futsal court at Marquette Park:
https://www.stlcitysc.com/futsal-court- ... _DOWauOo9o
sc4mayor wrote:The Taylor's and the Kavanaugh's are under no responsibility to maintain the city's public parks or athletic fields for them.
Has anyone here been to DeSoto Park within the last week and seen it in person? Or are some of you calling it "neglected" because of a Google screenshot? Provided the goals, fields, walking paths, benches, and other things are being maintained by the city, what's the problem? It seems to work well for the adult leagues that have regularly used it for years. Not every public athletic facility has to have the same amenities as an MLS training compound or even Forest Park's Central Fields. This is a small neighborhood park...not a regional destination.
Does anyone else find this whole thing a little humorous? One user posts an old Google satellite shot of nearby fields with an "lol, um, oh man..." as if it was some sort of gotcha moment. Ridiculous. DeSoto Park and it's fields are the responsibility of the city. If they want to start a public campaign to restore parks and athletic fields (similar to the campaigns carried out by Forest Park Forever, Tower Grove, GRG, etc.) and solicit donations from the private sector, then so be it. I have no doubt the Taylor's and others would provide funding, much as they have to those and many other foundations. If the Taylor's want to approach the city and throw some MORE money at things, like these fields, then so be it. But honestly some of these comments here read like a small handful of you are just looking for things to get upset about.
Never mind that their eventual youth programs will probably include things like creating spaces to play in neighborhoods anyway lol:
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/sports/ ... th-academySt. Louis City SC’s academy model will eventually expand to include a total of four youth teams, plus an under-21 development team.
The organization also plans to provide free community training to kids under 13, create more green spaces in neighborhoods and develop programs to train coaches at high schools and other youth clubs.
Cool off and let them get their team and stadium built first.
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Got it. To be fair, I don't think that anyone is saying that the team shouldn't invest in community fields or programs - only that expecting them to immediately chip in on specific projects that they may or may not already be having conversations on at some level isn't beneficial. I anticipate more projects like this to happen across the city and region over the next few months and years. But that doesn't mean that they have a duty to spend money on any specific field that they don't own.
I don't see where any of us stomped our feet and demanded they do something immediately. My original quote.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Got it. To be fair, I don't think that anyone is saying that the team shouldn't invest in community fields or programs - only that expecting them to immediately chip in on specific projects that they may or may not already be having conversations on at some level isn't beneficial. I anticipate more projects like this to happen across the city and region over the next few months and years. But that doesn't mean that they have a duty to spend money on any specific field that they don't own.
Now maybe you can read into that I want the Taylors to do something right away. All I meant is that DeSoto Park and it's soccer fields should be at the top of a list if they were looking to improve community soccer.It would be nice if they could show these fields some love/support.
I’d hardly call posting a link I came across online “celebrating” lol.dweebe wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Why do you celebrate this but any upgrades to DeSoto Park is such a dumb idea?sc4mayor wrote: ↑Sep 25, 2021City SC helped install the city’s first futsal court at Marquette Park:
https://www.stlcitysc.com/futsal-court- ... _DOWauOo9o
sc4mayor wrote:The Taylor's and the Kavanaugh's are under no responsibility to maintain the city's public parks or athletic fields for them.
Has anyone here been to DeSoto Park within the last week and seen it in person? Or are some of you calling it "neglected" because of a Google screenshot? Provided the goals, fields, walking paths, benches, and other things are being maintained by the city, what's the problem? It seems to work well for the adult leagues that have regularly used it for years. Not every public athletic facility has to have the same amenities as an MLS training compound or even Forest Park's Central Fields. This is a small neighborhood park...not a regional destination.
Does anyone else find this whole thing a little humorous? One user posts an old Google satellite shot of nearby fields with an "lol, um, oh man..." as if it was some sort of gotcha moment. Ridiculous. DeSoto Park and it's fields are the responsibility of the city. If they want to start a public campaign to restore parks and athletic fields (similar to the campaigns carried out by Forest Park Forever, Tower Grove, GRG, etc.) and solicit donations from the private sector, then so be it. I have no doubt the Taylor's and others would provide funding, much as they have to those and many other foundations. If the Taylor's want to approach the city and throw some MORE money at things, like these fields, then so be it. But honestly some of these comments here read like a small handful of you are just looking for things to get upset about.
Never mind that their eventual youth programs will probably include things like creating spaces to play in neighborhoods anyway lol:
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/sports/ ... th-academySt. Louis City SC’s academy model will eventually expand to include a total of four youth teams, plus an under-21 development team.
The organization also plans to provide free community training to kids under 13, create more green spaces in neighborhoods and develop programs to train coaches at high schools and other youth clubs.
Cool off and let them get their team and stadium built first.
I stand by what I said before. I believe I even posted a link or two with them stating they planned on creating new spaces around different neighborhoods…which they are doing…
They’ve helped build something new here that didn’t exist in the city before. But I’ll let all of you argue over the particulars lol.
But you sure fired off at my idea with both barrels like it was pretty damn stupid.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021I’d hardly call posting a link I came across online “celebrating” lol.dweebe wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Why do you celebrate this but any upgrades to DeSoto Park is such a dumb idea?sc4mayor wrote: ↑Sep 25, 2021City SC helped install the city’s first futsal court at Marquette Park:
https://www.stlcitysc.com/futsal-court- ... _DOWauOo9o
sc4mayor wrote:The Taylor's and the Kavanaugh's are under no responsibility to maintain the city's public parks or athletic fields for them.
Has anyone here been to DeSoto Park within the last week and seen it in person? Or are some of you calling it "neglected" because of a Google screenshot? Provided the goals, fields, walking paths, benches, and other things are being maintained by the city, what's the problem? It seems to work well for the adult leagues that have regularly used it for years. Not every public athletic facility has to have the same amenities as an MLS training compound or even Forest Park's Central Fields. This is a small neighborhood park...not a regional destination.
Does anyone else find this whole thing a little humorous? One user posts an old Google satellite shot of nearby fields with an "lol, um, oh man..." as if it was some sort of gotcha moment. Ridiculous. DeSoto Park and it's fields are the responsibility of the city. If they want to start a public campaign to restore parks and athletic fields (similar to the campaigns carried out by Forest Park Forever, Tower Grove, GRG, etc.) and solicit donations from the private sector, then so be it. I have no doubt the Taylor's and others would provide funding, much as they have to those and many other foundations. If the Taylor's want to approach the city and throw some MORE money at things, like these fields, then so be it. But honestly some of these comments here read like a small handful of you are just looking for things to get upset about.
Never mind that their eventual youth programs will probably include things like creating spaces to play in neighborhoods anyway lol:
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/sports/ ... th-academy
Cool off and let them get their team and stadium built first.
I stand by what I said before. I believe I even posted a link or two with them stating they planned on creating new spaces around different neighborhoods…which they are doing…
They’ve helped build something new here that didn’t exist in the city before. But I’ll let all of you argue over the particulars lol.
^ Nope. I did not. See the bottom half where I said I wasn’t really directing my comments at you.
sc4mayor wrote: ↑May 19, 2021My comments weren't really directed at you...dweebe wrote: ↑May 19, 2021Yes, I go by the field pretty much every weekend and see what is going on there. This last weekend I even had to stop for a ball that was kicked into the street and got wedged under my front bumper. The fields aren't bad: but they could be better and feature some amenities that other city park sport fields have.sc4mayor wrote: ↑May 18, 2021The Taylor's and the Kavanaugh's are under no responsibility to maintain the city's public parks or athletic fields for them.
Has anyone here been to DeSoto Park within the last week and seen it in person? Or are some of you calling it "neglected" because of a Google screenshot? Provided the goals, fields, walking paths, benches, and other things are being maintained by the city, what's the problem? It seems to work well for the adult leagues that have regularly used it for years. Not every public athletic facility has to have the same amenities as an MLS training compound or even Forest Park's Central Fields. This is a small neighborhood park...not a regional destination.
Does anyone else find this whole thing a little humorous? One user posts an old Google satellite shot of nearby fields with an "lol, um, oh man..." as if it was some sort of gotcha moment. Ridiculous. DeSoto Park and it's fields are the responsibility of the city. If they want to start a public campaign to restore parks and athletic fields (similar to the campaigns carried out by Forest Park Forever, Tower Grove, GRG, etc.) and solicit donations from the private sector, then so be it. I have no doubt the Taylor's and others would provide funding, much as they have to those and many other foundations. If the Taylor's want to approach the city and throw some MORE money at things, like these fields, then so be it. But honestly some of these comments here read like a small handful of you are just looking for things to get upset about.
Never mind that their eventual youth programs will probably include things like creating spaces to play in neighborhoods anyway lol:
Cool off and let them get their team and stadium built first.
And you say that we are trying a "gotcha!" or demanding current action. All I was saying that IF the Taylors and Kavanaughs in the future were to institute a program to help soccer fields (like the Cardinals do with baseball and the Blues do with hockey) that DeSoto park should be at the top of the list at that time. I'm not demanding it right now and I don't feel that it was an outlandish idea to float.
However I apologize if this seems like too much and offended you in some way. If I can correct this further or clarify the statement(s) that upset anyone, please let me know.
To, yet again, share what I said on the previous page:sc4mayor wrote:^ I imagine something like that will be included in this:
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/sports/ ... th-academyI think these programs will have a very sizable effect on building the game across St. Louis.St. Louis City SC’s academy model will eventually expand to include a total of four youth teams, plus an under-21 development team.
The organization also plans to provide free community training to kids under 13, create more green spaces in neighborhoods and develop programs to train coaches at high schools and other youth clubs.
But I certainly don’t have a problem with the Taylor’s doing even more...
It is strange that people keep throwing out words like duty and obligation. As if a brand new professional soccer team doesn't have a critical self-interest in helping provide a decent public soccer field where downtown and north city residents can play, hold tryouts, camps, etc., in a park between a school and a public housing project...all within eyesight of their new stadium???Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Got it. To be fair, I don't think that anyone is saying that the team shouldn't invest in community fields or programs - only that expecting them to immediately chip in on specific projects that they may or may not already be having conversations on at some level isn't beneficial. I anticipate more projects like this to happen across the city and region over the next few months and years. But that doesn't mean that they have a duty to spend money on any specific field that they don't own.
Beyond making sure that they can field a professional soccer team in Spring 2023, and that they will have enthusiastic fans and a place for them to watch the game, their top priorities in the first couple years of their existence are: community outreach, development of local talent, and promotion of the game of soccer. There aren't many better ways to accomplish those priorities than what I suggested.