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I’ve said this before but a Chipotle would be a slam dunk. On game days they could probably even open an auxiliary kitchen/burrito line and have lines out the door.

I’ve always thought it would be a good fit in one of the Keiner garage spots too, considering they all seem to be chains.


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bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

May 31, 2021

Trololzilla wrote: ↑

May 31, 2021

^^ Would love to see a Lion's Choice in BPV somewhere (or really just anywhere DT). Good exposure for a local chain.

Right? It's quick, affordable, solid protein delivery.  A signature location would be great, though the lack of a drive-thru might be a deal breaker for them.

Lack of a drive-thru didn't seem to be an issue for them here.

-RBB

The NE corner of the Park Pacific garage at Tucker and Olive has a drive thru (it’s where Tim Hortons was located during their short lived presence in STL area)

I've been thinking that the empty retail spot east of Baseballism would be good for Chipotle.  I don't recall what type of space it was originally proposed as, but the few times I have seen the inside (walking by on the street when workers had the doors open), the space definitely looks big enough for a typical Chipotle dining layout.  I think the inclusion of the small, enclosed dining area outside the outside the building and next to the giant STL would provide a nice place to chow down while enjoying the ambiance of the plaza.

STL526 wrote: ↑

Jun 01, 2021

I've been thinking that the empty retail spot east of Baseballism would be good for Chipotle.  I don't recall what type of space it was originally proposed as, but the few times I have seen the inside (walking by on the street when workers had the doors open), the space definitely looks big enough for a typical Chipotle dining layout.  I think the inclusion of the small, enclosed dining area outside the outside the building and next to the giant STL would provide a nice place to chow down while enjoying the ambiance of the plaza.

That was to be Davio's Steakhouse 

^ Aha. I completely forgot a Davio's had been announced for that corner.  Cheers for disabusing me of the notion that the space was not spoken for, Chris.

You say "was to be".  Do you have reason to believe that the space may no longer be intended for a Davio's Steakhouse?

These solid ideas like a Lion's Choice or Chipotle in/around BPV underscore why it's important that other non-Cordish curated/controlled mixed-use developments (like 300 S. Broadway and 1014 Spruce) start filling out the area immediately around BPV/Busch. 

wabash wrote: ↑

Jun 01, 2021

These solid ideas like a Lion's Choice or Chipotle in/around BPV underscore why it's important that other non-Cordish curated/controlled mixed-use developments (like 300 S. Broadway and 1014 Spruce) start filling out the area immediately around BPV/Busch. 

Very important point.  Cordish tenants are bar mall retailers for the most part.  The area needs dry cleaners, walgreens/CVS, hair salon, etc. to support residential on DT's south side.  

STL526 wrote:^ Aha. I completely forgot a Davio's had been announced for that corner.  Cheers for disabusing me of the notion that the space was not spoken for, Chris.

You say "was to be".  Do you have reason to believe that the space may no longer be intended for a Davio's Steakhouse?

There’s no real reasoning behind my comment, but the lack of movement on the space makes me wonder if Davio’s was cancelled as a result of coronavirus or if it’s still in the works, just set to come at a later date.

wabash wrote: ↑

Jun 01, 2021

These solid ideas like a Lion's Choice or Chipotle in/around BPV underscore why it's important that other non-Cordish curated/controlled mixed-use developments (like 300 S. Broadway and 1014 Spruce) start filling out the area immediately around BPV/Busch. 

I agree on the importance.  Need some authentic home grown independent business.  Hoping the 4th Street renovations help heal that as well as 300 Broadway.

Getting the right set of tenants on the ground sets the tone for the other aspects of the development. Starbucks is a good start, as is the gym. It gives the impression the area is desirable and on an upward trend. Now I don't feel we can expect a Shake Shack unfortunately as I don't think the area is hip enough nor has enough high end traffic (yet....), however brands with big name value and recognition in St Louis or nationally like a Chipotle or a Qdoba or a Lion's Choice or an On the Run or a CVS or say a Potbelly. Is Chick-fil-a too ambitious? Another aspect is just going for things that aren't yet served at the development. We already have the sports bars, the BBQ, coffee. There's room for sandwiches, pizza, fried chicken, convenience stores, maybe an AT&T or T -Mobile type offering eventually once more residents and office users are added.

As far as office tenants I'm surprised ESPN 101 never moved there. They already have the name branding in the development and they are the flagship of the Blues and I suspect will be in there for the MLS rights. Makes sense to be closer to the stadiums than in out in Creve Coeur.  

Funnily just along the street from there is the corporate office of First Bank. They're a pretty sizable operation now as far as the West Coast and that building of theirs looks small and shabby, not really somewhere they'll achieve much in boosting their name presence either. I'm completely armchair quarterbacking, and yeah maybe the people working at these companies like free parking and shorter commutes and perhaps they own the building or pay minimal rent so I totally understand why they would not rock the boat and would be happy where they are if that's the case. However when you actually examine things to any remote extent there are organisations who would be a fit in BPV and you could easily make an argument of how the move there would benefit them. I'm pretty resigned to a fortune 500/1000 not pitching up there, but would be ecstatic of course and happy to eat my words if that did happen.

Like I said I am quietly confident they'll get it right. They've come through the hardest part in the pandemic and with phase 2 now establishing and MLS on the way it looks positive. They just need to create the vision that DTSTL is a vibrant interesting to be and not the stereotypical crime ridden district many would have you believe. Power and Light has a lot of the non sports bar type tenants needed to make the place livable year round so I don't think it's outwith the ability of Cordish to make headway beyond the basic bar mall concept.

gone corporate wrote: ↑

Jun 01, 2021

3. It makes sense to believe that the national retail chains that would set up at BPV would be franchises, right? Maybe, just maybe, some of you all who believe in it should contact Chipotle about getting a franchise for BPV. You could make some real money doing this. Just a thought...

Chipotle doesn't franchise.  However, you can email them to suggest a location: development@chipotle.com

Not sure how well that works but if enough people emailed them, it would presumably at least get their attention.  I'll shoot them a note.

Keep in mind that every developer is constantly reaching out to potential tenants to recruit potential tenants.  So while a kind email won't hurt, I would be a large sum of money that Cordish has already sought out every fast casual restaurant we could think of (and more) to pitch the location.

Anybody know what this gazebo thing is going to be?

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Jul 06, 2021

Anybody know what this gazebo thing is going to be?

I think it may be an ice cream thing. A friend of mine works at a vending machine place and they have an order to make 2 Prairie Farms Ice Cream machines for Ballpark Village. They could stick them in here, but it seems built well for just that.

Yesterday I was looking at the google maps reviews for Live by Loews. A lot of the same; complaints that rooms weren't being cleaned if staying multiple nights, long waits for the check-in desk, and difficulties getting requested items. Short staffed, basically. 

aprice wrote: ↑

Aug 05, 2021

Yesterday I was looking at the google maps reviews for Live by Loews. A lot of the same; complaints that rooms weren't being cleaned if staying multiple nights, long waits for the check-in desk, and difficulties getting requested items. Short staffed, basically. 

I will say that all of the hotels I've stayed at over the last few months had policies where room cleaning for multiple night stays was performed on request only. So that might be a possible explanation for one of the concerns.

Laife Fulk wrote: ↑

Aug 05, 2021

aprice wrote: ↑

Aug 05, 2021

Yesterday I was looking at the google maps reviews for Live by Loews. A lot of the same; complaints that rooms weren't being cleaned if staying multiple nights, long waits for the check-in desk, and difficulties getting requested items. Short staffed, basically. 

I will say that all of the hotels I've stayed at over the last few months had policies where room cleaning for multiple night stays was performed on request only. So that might be a possible explanation for one of the concerns.

I have seen both. More going back to daily cleaning now. 

Any with cleaning by request made it expressly clear. Some have a door hang for when you want it to get cleaned.

Spoken like a true urbanist. Who cares about how well you can see the game; it's the surrounding buildings that matter!

^Heh! I was going to say they were good seats. a friend of mine had company seats near that and invited me once. Best seats I've ever had to a ballgame. I completely forgot about the buildings.