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sc4mayor wrote:^ Hopefully that giant now leasing sign will be coming down soon too.  Though I imagine it will just be replaced with another ad, unfortunately.

Thanks for the updates, Chris.  I particularly like this one:

As much as I like this tower,I’m at odds over the balcony situation. They tend to look kind of tacky with all the different chairs and grills and banners and clotheslines... Don’t some buildings have rules against what can be left on the balcony? For instance the Plaza in Clayton condo building. As far as I can tell every balcony is pretty much devoid of clutter. Maybe it’s the design of One that makes the issue stand out but it to me it just looks unkempt.


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FrankRider wrote: ↑

May 16, 2021

sc4mayor wrote:^ Hopefully that giant now leasing sign will be coming down soon too.  Though I imagine it will just be replaced with another ad, unfortunately.

Thanks for the updates, Chris.  I particularly like this one:

As much as I like this tower,I’m at odds over the balcony situation. They tend to look kind of tacky with all the different chairs and grills and banners and clotheslines...  Don’t some buildings have rules against what can be left on the balcony?  For instance the Plaza in Clayton condo building. As far as I can tell every balcony is pretty much devoid of clutter. Maybe it’s the design of One that makes the issue stand out but it to me it just looks unkempt.


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The average age of the residents of the Plaza in Clayton has to be what? 100? If they go outside their skin will explode.

Heaven forbid a building with people in it looks like it has people in it.

Come on.

Exact opposite thought. Balconies with belongings look lived in. Empty or basic balconies look abandoned or unused.

My only concern about the balconies is those sections of concrete with no railing in between the units. You know some drunken idiot will inevitably "accept the challenge" to walk across or sit on the edge to try to get on camera, and then fall off.

newstl2020 wrote: ↑

May 16, 2021

FrankRider wrote: ↑

May 16, 2021

As much as I like this tower,I’m at odds over the balcony situation. They tend to look kind of tacky with all the different chairs and grills and banners and clotheslines...  Don’t some buildings have rules against what can be left on the balcony?  For instance the Plaza in Clayton condo building. As far as I can tell every balcony is pretty much devoid of clutter. Maybe it’s the design of One that makes the issue stand out but it to me it just looks unkempt.


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The average age of the residents of the Plaza in Clayton has to be what? 100? If they go outside their skin will explode.

Heaven forbid a building with people in it looks like it has people in it.

Come on.

We've got a real live Not In My Balcony, Y'all.

Love the big SALT + SMOKE signage, and Arch Apparel is a tad pricy but their shirts are comfy and we can do with more premium local brands having physical storefronts.  This phase of BPV is really filling out nicely, and with how quickly they leased nearly all of 1 Cardinal Way I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 Cardinal Way announced by 2022. 

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newstl2020 wrote: ↑

May 16, 2021

FrankRider wrote: ↑

May 16, 2021

As much as I like this tower,I’m at odds over the balcony situation. They tend to look kind of tacky with all the different chairs and grills and banners and clotheslines...  Don’t some buildings have rules against what can be left on the balcony?  For instance the Plaza in Clayton condo building. As far as I can tell every balcony is pretty much devoid of clutter. Maybe it’s the design of One that makes the issue stand out but it to me it just looks unkempt.


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The average age of the residents of the Plaza in Clayton has to be what? 100? If they go outside their skin will explode.

Heaven forbid a building with people in it looks like it has people in it.

Come on.

We've got a real live Not In My Balcony, Y'all.

That’s cute. Naw, it’s more of a minor annoyance as opposed to trying to kick up dust. I’d utilize my balcony to the fullest as well but but I’m somewhat OCD so organization would rule the day. It’s no different than if you own a house and every time you look out the kitchen window at your neighbor’s house you see a junkyard where the back yard should be. As long as its not affecting me personally I’m not going to make waves. I just wished it could be tidied up a bit.


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^The broken, rusty jet ski on that one balcony, with the permanently-chained pit bull sleeping under it, is really over the top...

urbanitas wrote: ↑

May 18, 2021

^The broken, rusty jet ski on that one balcony, with the permanently-chained pit bull sleeping under it, is really over the top...

I've actually seen these two things in a yard not far from my house.  Is it a thing?

Was the Cardinals Nation building even designed to hold a tower above it?

^No.  And that rendering is ANCIENT.

I didn't think so. It sure doesn't look like it could bear any weight over it. 

I wouldn't be shocked if the original BPV structure is replaced in the distant future by something that better resembles what we see in that old rendering from, what, 2004?

But I wouldn't expect that to happen any sooner than 15 years from now. And probably even further out than that. 

Correct.  It's a cash cow as is.  If there was enough demand in downtown STL to demo BPV's Phase 1 for a highrise development, that would mean that every empty downtown lot has been developed on first.  Let's just wait and see if another residential tower is built in the next 5 to 10 years first before getting ahead of ourselves.  

dweebe wrote: ↑

May 21, 2021

Laife Fulk wrote: ↑

May 21, 2021

Correct.  It's a cash cow as is.  If there was enough demand in downtown STL to demo BPV's Phase 1 for a highrise development, that would mean that every empty downtown lot has been developed on first.  Let's just wait and see if another residential tower is built in the next 5 to 10 years first before getting ahead of ourselves.  

But every empty lot downtown isn't across the street from and and views into Busch Stadium.

If I were the Cardinals I'm buying the horrible Hilton and old Mike Shannons then building there.

Cardish has had two decades of opportunities to buy up surrounding properties since they began planning their "village". They could have had most of them for much less than what they would command today. As far as I can see, they have only ever sold property.

The way OCW leased though, another apartment tower is a no-brainer.  Especially the way office rates and vacancy are going, right?

For the record, One Cardinal Way is 100% leased right now.

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

May 21, 2021

The way OCW leased though, another apartment tower is a no-brainer.  Especially the way office rates and vacancy are going, right?

You'd have to ask the national financial institutions which would be investing in, or financing, said tower(s).  Cardish's desires and the local demand for ballpark-adjacent, high-rise luxury apartments only matter so much.

urbanitas wrote: ↑

May 21, 2021

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

May 21, 2021

The way OCW leased though, another apartment tower is a no-brainer.  Especially the way office rates and vacancy are going, right?

You'd have to ask the national financial institutions which would be investing in, or financing, said tower(s). 

Fortunately right now they are awash in cash and desperate to put it to work. 

chriss752 wrote: ↑

May 21, 2021

For the record, One Cardinal Way is 100% leased right now.

Wow, great news! I made a (rather optimistic) prediction that 2CW would be announced this year and that may actually not be too far off the mark. It's clear they underestimated the demand and could have easily filled a 40 story tower.