^Wouldn't be surprised if the Cardinals are a still gun-shy on any scope expansion of BPV following its anemic and scrutinized start.dredger wrote: ↑Feb 27, 2021With or without a stadium it would be interesting to know if DeWitt/Cordish have considered expanding their BPV footprint or not, or something similar. I thought that DeWitt/Cordish would have gone after 300 S Broadway and parking lots on east side of Busch. Or Cupples properties, either the lot that Koman bought & proposed Cupples X on and or Opus Spruce street development. But somehow they took a pass or maybe made a half hearted attempt to secure properties. Heck, you have the old Steakhouse and they could still make a deal for one or two of the garages on either side of BPV (prime target for tear down and podium/tower replacement). So in some respects they already had a chance to lock in more real estate for future phases literally next door.urbanitas wrote: ↑Feb 27, 2021Having said that, there is an option for a new ballpark, directly southwest of Busch III, or a bit further, on the Nestle Purina campus. They would just need to shift and/or bury the rails, if those rails are even there or active a decade or two from now. The current ballpark site could then be turned into Ballpark Village Phases 4-6, and they could even incorporate the perpetually-planned Chouteau Lake/greenway project into it all...
Like a few other comments. Purina has a lot of underutilized space and if Chouteau Lake/Greenway ever gets going then you have an avenue for a developer to come with a Village Like type development south of Busch. Add some recreational ballfields south of Busch and call it BPV II, etc. Or even, DPV for Dog Park Village and market it as a first of its kind pet specific/pet friendly village.
Two MLB teams sharing one baseball stadium would be a near logistical impossibility, given the fact that every MLB team plays 5-7 games every single week of the season (except All-Star Week). It's not like the NFL, or even the NHL or NBA, which have their schedules more spread apart.dredger wrote: ↑Feb 26, 2021^ I could see compromise, were you would go without a season at Busch. You could squeeze a year and half to demo and rebuild the structure above the field itself. No reason or need to rebuild the field and or the foundations. Simply design, demo and build a new above ground structure. Even if a new structure would include a roof you could still design and build a self supporting structure with some new foundation on perimeter and do a lot of pre fab off site during regular season play.
As far as where to play that one season away from Busch, Mizzou? don't know the facilities and or KC around Royals schedule?
Certainly.wabash wrote: ↑Feb 26, 2021Many stadiums have gone through pretty comprehensive renovations without requiring the home team to play elsewhere. Fenway, Wrigley, Kauffman, Progressive and Dodgers Stadiums have all had major renovations without leaving. Often the updates and upgrades are implemented piecemeal in the 5-6 month spans between multiple seasons.
But that's something entirely different than building a whole new stadium from scratch.
Surprised you didn't include Angels Stadium, which probably underwent the biggest renovation of all of them in the late 1990s after the Rams left Anaheim.
^Oakland did just the opposite. Cut out their mountain view for Mount Davis to be installed for the Raiders.
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I pine for the DeWitts to buy and tear down at least that east garage and expand BPV if the leasing on Phase 3 (and 4?) is as strong as it has been. Both garages going would be ideal, but even getting rid of one would be huge.
Do they own the garages?Trololzilla wrote: ↑Feb 28, 2021I pine for the DeWitts to buy and tear down at least that east garage and expand BPV if the leasing on Phase 3 (and 4?) is as strong as it has been. Both garages going would be ideal, but even getting rid of one would be huge.
^ I don’t think so...they sold them to Central Parking back in the ‘90s. I think InterPark owns them now...unless the Cardinals reacquired them at some point? I’m not sure anymore.
I thought DeWitt had hinted that once BPV was filled out, Stadium East could be taken down and filled in? Maybe I’m just remembering some speculating we were all doing here though...not sure if he ever actually said that.
I would think if the remaining three blocks of BPV have garage podiums (and I don’t see any reason to think they won’t) then Stadium East could easily be brought down for new development (that would likely include a small garage or two anyway).
I thought DeWitt had hinted that once BPV was filled out, Stadium East could be taken down and filled in? Maybe I’m just remembering some speculating we were all doing here though...not sure if he ever actually said that.
I would think if the remaining three blocks of BPV have garage podiums (and I don’t see any reason to think they won’t) then Stadium East could easily be brought down for new development (that would likely include a small garage or two anyway).
Technically, Anaheim did that as well - the stadium was originally built with an open outfield, and then an upper deck was added in the late 1970s when the Rams moved there from the Coliseum in 1980. This is what the stadium originally looked like in the 1960s and 1970s...jshank83 wrote: ↑Feb 28, 2021^Oakland did just the opposite. Cut out their mountain view for Mount Davis to be installed for the Raiders.
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You’re going to pine for a long time. Those things sold for like $150million and have probably been re financed many times and are also probably are under pinning other deals, there is no financial scenario that exists in STL where someone would pay to knock does down and build. At best you may get a 3-5 story on top of them if it can handle even thatTrololzilla wrote: ↑Feb 28, 2021I pine for the DeWitts to buy and tear down at least that east garage and expand BPV if the leasing on Phase 3 (and 4?) is as strong as it has been. Both garages going would be ideal, but even getting rid of one would be huge.
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Anyone know if Davio's is still planning to open in BPV? Worried COVID killed that plan
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Well that’s kind of a big deal
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Not sure what's going on behind the covered glass, but I haven't seen much action. Salt & Smoke at the corner of Clark and Broadway seems to be full steam ahead, though.BellaVilla wrote: ↑Mar 01, 2021Anyone know if Davio's is still planning to open in BPV? Worried COVID killed that plan
Davio's and Village Whiskey are paused until vaccine distribution gets up a bit more and Cardinals Games restart with a certain percentage of occupancy. At least that's what I've been told. From what I could see, no interior work has been done to either space.BellaVilla wrote: ↑Mar 01, 2021Anyone know if Davio's is still planning to open in BPV? Worried COVID killed that plan
Regarding Salt + Smoke, it should be open by opening day, which is set for April 8th.
One more thing and it's about future phases. From being at OneLife, I have a clear view into a conference room at Busch Stadium and I almost guarantee they have been having meetings on future expansion. They have a white board with a bunch of images on it and the other day, there were large boards scattered throughout the room. I recognize Bill Dewitt III and Nick Benjamin was there once. This makes sense since the retail spaces in Phase 2 are seemingly filling up (with all in OneLife, Loews and PwC Building apparently leased/leased by Scott Credit Union, Starbucks, Village Whiskey, Davio's, Baseballism, Arch Apparel, and Sports and Social). In addition to this, One Cardinal Way is at 86% leased (42 of 297 units remain) and the PwC Building is getting up there too in leased numbers with PwC, ButcherJoseph, Fox Sports Midwest, and Spark taking up space. I would like to bring a big camera into the gym and spy and take pictures, but that would be weird to do.
At this point, I personally say Phase 3 is eminent. Just the announcement is dependent on continued vaccine roll out and Cardinals in-person attendance (as that will pump some revenue into BPV's bars and restaurants). Maybe by years end we will see a Phase 3 announcement (which is more than likely to be Two Cardinal Way and nothing else).
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Cool! Much better than their current location.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:Well that’s kind of a big deal
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Love the Arch Apparel news!
Chris...as much as we’d all love to see it...don’t spy on their meetings lol.
Chris...as much as we’d all love to see it...don’t spy on their meetings lol.
I don't plan on spying. It just grabs my attention whenever they're in there since I don't listen to music when I'm doing stuff. I also don't plan on bringing a big camera in because, well, that would just be weird to bring a DSLR camera in with a extra zoom lens and point it at the stadium from the treadmills.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Mar 01, 2021Love the Arch Apparel news!
Chris...as much as we’d all love to see it...don’t spy on their meetings lol.
One Cardinal Way has 30 units available. Now at 90% leased according to their website.
Wow, that's great!
Two Cardinal Way announcement can't be too far away, can it?
Two Cardinal Way announcement can't be too far away, can it?
I'll eat my shoe if it (an announcement) happens in 2021.pdm_ad wrote: ↑Mar 28, 2021Wow, that's great!
Two Cardinal Way announcement can't be too far away, can it?
^ I'm just impressed you got up there. Tried on Saturday and the elevator line was an hour long so we bailed. DT was packed this weekend. great to see.
^ We got there 5min before it opened and I think we waited 25min, also on Saturday. Packed it was.
Anyone with speculative thoughts on when 2CW rendering will come out now that Cordish announced a groundbreaking for next residential tower in KC? I assume you will see some renderings floated for 2CW in June and hopefully a 2022 Q1 groundbreaking announced by end of year. or maybe end of year groundbreaking to be on the optimistic side
If an announcement on 2 Cardinal Way comes, it would probably be towards the very end of the yeardredger wrote: ↑Apr 09, 2021Anyone with speculative thoughts on when 2CW rendering will come out now that Cordish announced a groundbreaking for next residential tower in KC? I assume you will see some renderings floated for 2CW in June and hopefully a 2022 Q1 groundbreaking announced by end of year. or maybe end of year groundbreaking to be on the optimistic side
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Spoke with someone today that knows the Cardinals people and they said average household income for One Cardinal Way was like $400,000 about 2-3 times the average HH for power and light in KC