2020 Census

wabash · PostApr 26, 2021#6512021-04-26T20:30+00:00

Missouri comes in with a resident population of 6,154,913, an increase of 165,986 from 2010, for 2.77% population growth over the last decade.

This is the lowest percentage increase in the state's history.

kipfilet · PostApr 27, 2021#6522021-04-27T00:38+00:00

DAta for all states:

urbanitas · PostApr 27, 2021#6532021-04-27T01:04+00:00

I am somewhat surprised Ohio is still growing, but I really do not understand the relative growth of Iowa and Nebraska. What's the appeal? Is it all in the college towns? Or is it just spillover from the South Dakota oil and gas boom?

wabash · PostApr 27, 2021#6542021-04-27T01:45+00:00

urbanitas wrote: ↑
Apr 27, 2021
I am somewhat surprised Ohio is still growing, but I really do not understand the relative growth of Iowa and Nebraska. What's the appeal? Is it all in the college towns? Or is it just spillover from the South Dakota oil and gas boom?

The oil and gas boom was in North Dakota, which contributes to Nebraska's growth being particularly confounding. I was also surprised by Delaware's double digit growth - no idea where that's coming from.

For Ohio, Cleveland, Cincy, Dayton, Toledo and Akron taken all together are probably a wash, but Columbus is becoming a boomtown with double-digit growth that must be driving the more modest 2.3% statewide gain.

Brutal for Illinois to be bundled with Mississippi and West Virginia as the only overall losers of pop.

chriss752 · PostApr 27, 2021#6552021-04-27T02:13+00:00

^Don't forget that Puerto Rico was hit hard. If it was a state, it would be huge news as the state with the largest drop in population.

BellaVilla · PostApr 27, 2021#6562021-04-27T02:47+00:00

The Omaha metropolitan area driving Nebraska's relatively strong growth and that makes sense. Omaha is great small city with aspirations of being a mid-size city. It boasts an impressive number of Fortune 500 companies, strong healthcare options, and high standards of living.

ldai_phs · PostApr 27, 2021#6572021-04-27T03:04+00:00

BellaVilla wrote:The Omaha metropolitan area driving Nebraska's relatively strong growth and that makes sense. Omaha is great small city with aspirations of being a mid-size city. It boasts an impressive number of Fortune 500 companies, strong healthcare options, and high standards of living.

Omaha recently lost the HQs of TD and ConAgra. UP HQ is on the chopping block. There are strong headwinds there. I think PayPal and LinkedIn are expanding baxk offices there. Similar issue to KC where the HQs are leaving but solid back office growth.

STLCityMike · PostApr 27, 2021#6582021-04-27T13:53+00:00

wabash wrote: ↑
Apr 27, 2021
urbanitas wrote: ↑
Apr 27, 2021
I am somewhat surprised Ohio is still growing, but I really do not understand the relative growth of Iowa and Nebraska. What's the appeal? Is it all in the college towns? Or is it just spillover from the South Dakota oil and gas boom?
The oil and gas boom was in North Dakota, which contributes to Nebraska's growth being particularly confounding. I was also surprised by Delaware's double digit growth - no idea where that's coming from.

For Ohio, Cleveland, Cincy, Dayton, Toledo and Akron taken all together are probably a wash, but Columbus is becoming a boomtown with double-digit growth that must be driving the more modest 2.3% statewide gain.

Brutal for Illinois to be bundled with Mississippi and West Virginia as the only overall losers of pop.

I used to live in Delaware for about 5 years or so after college (banking). Delaware has always been a hot spot for transplants from New York, Jersey and PA. Its very close to the transplants home spots but significantly cheaper than all of them. SEPTA has trains that run into center city Philly (there are 3 stations in Northern DE) and Philly airport is like 25 minutes from Wilmington.

I would guess most of that growth is in Southern New Castle County - south of the C-D Canal (Chesapeake and Delaware Canal) around Middletown, Odessa, Smyrna.

Bart Harley Jarvis · PostApr 27, 2021#6592021-04-27T14:09+00:00

urbanitas wrote: ↑
Apr 27, 2021
I am somewhat surprised Ohio is still growing, but I really do not understand the relative growth of Iowa and Nebraska. What's the appeal? Is it all in the college towns? Or is it just spillover from the South Dakota oil and gas boom?

Polk County, IA (Des Moines) is up ~14.0% from its 2010 #'s. Dallas County (DSM suburbs) is up ~50% from 2010. Lots of good paying Insurance and Finance jobs available and low cost of living make it attractive.
Johnson County, IA (Iowa City) is up ~15% from 2010. College town.
Linn County, IA (Cedar Rapids) is up ~7% from 2010. Not sure on this one, just a big city with good jobs & low cost of living. Up the road from IC, so maybe graduates move there?
Scott County, IA (Davenport) is up ~5% from 2010. Rock Island County, IL is directly across the Mississippi and is down ~4%, so that's just Illinoisans becoming Iowans.

Also, smaller populations are presumably easier to bump one way or the other.

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostApr 27, 2021#6602021-04-27T14:32+00:00

Honestly I wonder if Montana will end up going blue sooner than one would think. The population is low but seems packed in some nice small cities that are just as poised to take off as Boise was 10 years ago. Beautiful country too.

SeattleNative · PostApr 27, 2021#6612021-04-27T15:32+00:00

Larry on twitter says 2020 census data has STL City under 290k.

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kipfilet · PostApr 27, 2021#6622021-04-27T15:35+00:00

No idea about NE. It is indeed a small state so you don't need a very large absolute variation in population to get a high %, but it seems this was one of their best performances (1st time they match national growth rate in 100 years according to a headline).
As others have said, I bet that OH is totally driven by Columbus which has been growing a lot in recent years. Same with IN being driven by steady growth in Indy.

urban_dilettante · PostApr 27, 2021#6632021-04-27T15:43+00:00

^^ who's Larry?

RockChalkSTL · PostApr 27, 2021#6642021-04-27T15:47+00:00

If St. Louis City is below 290,000, that means the city lost another 30,000+ people this past decade.

Tishaura Jones and new management must find a way to stop the population loss in North City and parts of South City.

I really hope this is a bottoming out for St. Louis and that we will begin to rise in population again. I shudder at the thought of St. Louis City falling below 250,000.

Merging the city and county is such an important issue for this region. I hope we can see some progress on this in the 2020s, with no more epic flameout failures like we saw from Better Together.

sc4mayor · PostApr 27, 2021#6652021-04-27T16:07+00:00

SeattleNative wrote: ↑
Apr 27, 2021
Larry on twitter says 2020 census data has STL City under 290k.

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I don't know about others, but literally no surprise there to me. Ray Hartmann was saying months ago on social media the city had already plummeted below 300,000, and that was before the Census was even completed. I think it's likely there was some undercounting...but it was always going to fall below 300,000. I bet the County's losses are substantial as well.

There needs to be some form of consolidation between the two. Political leaders who talk about "better regional corporation" without any legal municipal consolidation/merger to back that up will contend with the same shrinking population (and all the problems that come with it) well into the future.

RockChalkSTL · PostApr 27, 2021#6662021-04-27T16:23+00:00

Will St. Louis City and St. Louis County actually do anything to get the ball rolling on some form of consolidation, though?

It seems both are too stuck in their ways to extend an olive branch and get things started.

St. Louis County, and other regional counties in the Greater St. Louis area, don't seem to understand that they would greatly benefit from a thriving St. Louis City.

PlatinumBlues · PostApr 27, 2021#6672021-04-27T17:55+00:00

Missouri would benefit with a thriving healthy St.Louis. I would think the city population right will be around 296,000 give or take either way it’s time to move on from the past and stop the excuse’s. Too me St.Louis Co & City are one big St.Louis there’s no barriers

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STLCityMike · PostApr 27, 2021#6682021-04-27T18:29+00:00

The 2019 Census data has the city at 300,576. I am hoping we didn't drop more. I wonder how many are under counted - but I guess that is everywhere?

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/ ... /PST045219

stlokc · PostApr 27, 2021#6692021-04-27T18:30+00:00

I'm all for consolidation. Merge the city and county and make both entities part of one city. Eliminate the political boundary. But doing that would not fundamentally solve much when it comes to growth. St. Louis County itself is declining. The real problem is that the entire metro area, even taking into account fast-growing outlying counties, is stagnant. Something like two percent growth per decade. Why does this entire region grow so much slower than the Kansas City metro area? Kansas City should be the very definition of "a peer city." We're in the same state.

chriss752 · PostApr 27, 2021#6702021-04-27T18:45+00:00

KansasCitian wrote: ↑
Apr 27, 2021
If St. Louis City is below 290,000, that means the city lost another 30,000+ people this past decade.

Tishaura Jones and new management must find a way to stop the population loss in North City and parts of South City.

I really hope this is a bottoming out for St. Louis and that we will begin to rise in population again. I shudder at the thought of St. Louis City falling below 250,000.

Merging the city and county is such an important issue for this region. I hope we can see some progress on this in the 2020s, with no more epic flameout failures like we saw from Better Together.

1. Losing 30,000+ people in a decade in the City of St. Louis is about what we lost from 2000 to 2010, so it wouldn't be too surprising to have lost the same amount.
2. A good way to stop the population loss is to get a crime plan in place and invest in infrastructure. Northside and parts of the Southside have a lot crime that scares people to move out and continues to drive property values down. Infrastructure plays a role in decreased property values too. Start there and maybe you'll see a positive trend, but it'll take more than Tishaura & Co. to get anything positive done.
3. The bottoming out of the population depends on if neighborhoods can be stabilized and growth in healthy parts of the City exceeds or meets the losses elsewhere.
4. I'm for better coordination rather than a merger. We can work on merging services and having a similar pathway forward, but a merger is not politically popular in the county and would fail at a vote. And County people would be pissed if the politicians merged the two entities on their own.

sc4mayor · PostApr 27, 2021#6712021-04-27T18:55+00:00

^^ "Peer cities" doesn't mean growth rates will be the same. Nashville, Columbus, etc. could be considered peers in some ways and they're crushing KC too. Between 2010 and 2019, metro KC was only at 7% growth. Denver was at 16%, Orlando at 22%, Nashville at 17%, Las Vegas at 16%, Austin at 29%, Raleigh at 23%, Columbus at 11%, Salt Lake at 13%...I could go on. Not all of these are peer cities, obviously, but the Midwest only grew at about 3% overall. Missouri and Kansas combined (based on what was released yesterday) added only 250,000 people over the last 10 years. Metro Denver alone has added over 424,000 people in the same time frame lol. KC ain't getting it done either.

The future is in the west and south...as we've been seeing with demographic shifts for decades now. St. Louis has challenges these other cities don't, like excessive regional fragmentation and the issues that stem from that. But even if we could somehow correct a lot of that, I would never expect St. Louis to see growth like those cities in the west and south. If we can get our sh*t together I think we'd be lucky to end up in the 5% to 7% range (which I think would be more than healthy for St. Louis, honestly).

kipfilet · PostApr 27, 2021#6722021-04-27T19:24+00:00

Economic opportunities are important for the region as a whole. I know plenty of people who moved to St. Louis for jobs in the last few years, including jobs in the city. But they all live in the County.
While the City does not get it together in terms of Crime + Schools, it will be hard to attract the average citizen save for the minority that has a clear preference for density and urbanity (to which I belong - I work in a division of about 30 people in downtown St. Louis and am the only person who lives in the city)/

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostApr 27, 2021#6732021-04-27T20:23+00:00

On a national scale the US needs to steer refugees and incentivize immigrants to interested cities in the Rust Belt. In addition throw some federal funds towards settlement programs within participating cities.

It could be as easy as cutting a few years off the citizenship wait list for those who live within a participating city.

I’m so sick of hearing people say “America is full” when we clearly aren’t.

chriss752 · PostApr 27, 2021#6742021-04-27T21:37+00:00

You can count me as one of the people to leave St. Louis after college. It’s not about jobs or any of the ridiculousness that the mayor is pulling, but is instead a yearning to go back to my hometown rather than stick around. I’d still visit St. Louis since I have friends and family here (who intend to stay here) but I’m wanting to switch things up. My mind is set on this too and most of my friends and family know it.

dredger · PostApr 28, 2021#6752021-04-28T00:49+00:00

PlatinumBlues wrote: ↑
Apr 27, 2021
Missouri would benefit with a thriving healthy St.Louis. I would think the city population right will be around 296,000 give or take either way it’s time to move on from the past and stop the excuse’s. Too me St.Louis Co & City are one big St.Louis there’s no barriers

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Exactly, I think for the efforts trying to be made on both sides of the states what is happening or should say happening from the middle of the state is truly one of the biggest issues.
I think you can go down the list that Sc4mayor posted on cities that did very well in the last census and you could argue that their is state backing behind those cities. Better yet, you could argue that a lot of it is not so much about what political party but what investments are being made.
St Louis and KC may have one arm tied behind back instead of a help hand from the state but still some unique opportunities. St. Louis might be in a great shape to benefit immensely first from Covid Aid and then Infrastructure aid to ride progress in central corridor and start inching that progress north and south & second, get some semblence of a plan to bring calmness back to the streets with new leadership. Previous mayor getting elected on family name on old school was simply a big step backwards in public safety and governance of servicers.

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