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Training Compound Site Plan (as of 9/11/20)

Plan below shows Market St. along the top, 21st St. along the right, 22nd St. and the Fairfield Inn on the left. The next plan also shows the new Clark Ave. connection near the bottom:


The plan below shows the 22nd St./Clark Ave. intersection and the new 22nd St. bridge and ramps at I-64:

This plan below shows the new Clark Ave. along the top, and 21st St. and the new bike trail under I-64, along the right side:

It'll be great.  Just having the never-to-be crosstown gulch filled in is such a huge deal.  It was a massive scar on Market Street.  Really a key in stitching together DTW to Midtown Alley and GC area.  Eventually the 40/Market/Grand/FPP mess will be untangled.  Iron Hill/Steelcote will become more connected.  In time.  

A bold new vision for Downtown West

Needs a Starbucks!

Zoomed plans of the "Pavilion", "Training Center", and Clark Ave./Bike Trail @CITY SC Training Compound:


The "Pavilion" and parking lot at Market/21st Streets


The "Training Center" and parking lot at 22nd St./Clark Ave.
Note the guardhouse and security gate at the 22nd St. entrance. The dashed triangle in the upper left corner is the south end of the Fairfield Inn parking garage.


New Clark Ave. reconnection/21st St./Bike Trail 
There is no parking lot shown on this corner. But don't worry, for any patrons daring enough to make the 40' journey across the street, there will likely be two more new parking lots straddling Clark! And just imagine the warm and fuzzies of 8' security fences on all four corners!

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Oct 03, 2020

A bold new vision for Downtown West

Bravo! Well played, bwcrow1s. Well played.

Also, forgot to mention that the rebuilt Market Street will get a diet. It will be only 65' wide curb to curb, between the Pear Tree Inn entrance and 20th St.  That's 4 traffic lanes and a turn lane/pedestrian refuge.

The current Market St. right-of-way is 100' wide, including the narrow sidewalks over the viaduct. It looks like most of the reclaimed space will be added onto the stadium plaza and Aloe Plaza West Park.

Olive Street (also 100' R.O.W.) appears to get a similar treatment, albeit with bike lanes in each direction.

Good to hear. Olive is so wide and empty.

Speculation on my part but any thoughts on LHM making a run on the properties between 20th & 21st south of market to create its own version of a stadium/expanded entertainment district?  I can see the Drury coming down at some point for a much bigger themed hotel with conference space/an indoor water park.  Three pitches and weekend off season youth soccer tournaments, high school and college tournaments could easily drive some more room rents. 

dredger wrote: ↑

Oct 05, 2020

Speculation on my part but any thoughts on LHM making a run on the properties between 20th & 21st south of market to create its own version of a stadium/expanded entertainment district?  I can see the Drury coming down at some point for a much bigger themed hotel with conference space/an indoor water park.  Three pitches and weekend off season youth soccer tournaments, high school and college tournaments could easily drive some more room rents. 

I'd assume that LHM is just trying to survive until better times right now.  Hotels are still down 75% 

Honest question: If the fields were to be used for youth tournaments or similar, is there any room for spectators? Bathroom facilities or other basic amenities? It doesn't look like there are any accommodations for public use - unless portions of the "pavilion" or "training center" will be accessible.

Tim wrote: ↑

Oct 05, 2020

Honest question: If the fields were to be used for youth tournaments or similar, is there any room for spectators? Bathroom facilities or other basic amenities? It doesn't look like there are any accommodations for public use - unless portions of the "pavilion" or "training center" will be accessible.

That was one of the reasons I started looking at the plans, and no, there isn't any space for spectators anywhere. 

Those two buildings are still in design, so maybe there will be some bleachers on the upper level or roof of the Training Center, but given the use, and all the security fences and gate, it's unlikely that building will be accessible to anyone but the team and VIPs.

And fans wouldn't be able to see much from the Pavilion, whatever that will be. I'd guess it will have restrooms, a security office, and maybe some space for vendors. The question is: will it be open year-round, or just during events? I can't imagine what else such a small building could be, other than maybe retail space...?

dredger wrote: ↑

Oct 05, 2020

Speculation on my part but any thoughts on LHM making a run on the properties between 20th & 21st south of market to create its own version of a stadium/expanded entertainment district?  I can see the Drury coming down at some point for a much bigger themed hotel with conference space/an indoor water park.  Three pitches and weekend off season youth soccer tournaments, high school and college tournaments could easily drive some more room rents. 

An expanded family theme park is exactly what I expect to eventually fill the lots west of US.

Formwork being erected for the massive lid over the service tunnel and loading dock area.

Lots more photos, compliments of Jake H, here.

Link to my tweet so I don’t have to retype it all




I don’t know why but not until I walked across Jefferson bridge today did it all click and what the plans showed....why is the EB on ramp sooooo long and really a bridge

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Oct 06, 2020

I don’t know why but not until I walked across Jefferson bridge today did it all click and what the plans showed....why is the EB on ramp sooooo long and really a bridge

Because of the southward bend in I-64 there, and the fact it has to pass over the bike trail/Greenway, Metro tracks, Union Station rail lines, Amtrak turnaround, and the Union Station south parking lot...

The thing I asked a long time ago, and still don't understand, is: why are they extending 22nd Ave. down into the small, cut-off UPS / industrial park area, just to connect to Scott Ave.

Also, why do they need additional, separate EB off-ramp and WB on-ramp from 22nd St.? They seem to think that 22nd St. interchange will see a ton of traffic, but how will they get people to use it?

Is the 22nd street bridge (with an exit from EB 64) needed? I mean I’ll use it if I’m still downtown in 2022 (and working in west county)

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Oct 06, 2020

Is the 22nd street bridge (with an exit from EB 64) needed? I mean I’ll use it if I’m still downtown in 2022 (and working in west county)

Well, I guess if Downtown West has exploded in a couple decades with high-density residential, office, and/or retail, it would be needed...but until then, I can't imagine it being used other than on gamedays.

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Oct 06, 2020

Link to my tweet so I don’t have to retype it all




I don’t know why but not until I walked across Jefferson bridge today did it all click and what the plans showed....why is the EB on ramp sooooo long and really a bridge

It looks similar to the arterial roads that were built between Hanley Rd. and Brentwood Blvd. when I-64 was reconstructed a dozen years ago.

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑

Oct 10, 2020

It looks similar to the arterial roads that were built between Hanley Rd. and Brentwood Blvd. when I-64 was reconstructed a dozen years ago.

Which would have been good here, elegant even. But they are mucking it up with an additional pair of ramps between 22nd and Jefferson for some reason.

Which reminds me: Anyone ever hear any rumours of UPS expanding their facility on Jefferson...?