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Training Compound Site Plan (as of 9/11/20)
Plan below shows Market St. along the top, 21st St. along the right, 22nd St. and the Fairfield Inn on the left. The next plan also shows the new Clark Ave. connection near the bottom:
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The plan below shows the 22nd St./Clark Ave. intersection and the new 22nd St. bridge and ramps at I-64:
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This plan below shows the new Clark Ave. along the top, and 21st St. and the new bike trail under I-64, along the right side:
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Plan below shows Market St. along the top, 21st St. along the right, 22nd St. and the Fairfield Inn on the left. The next plan also shows the new Clark Ave. connection near the bottom:
The plan below shows the 22nd St./Clark Ave. intersection and the new 22nd St. bridge and ramps at I-64:
This plan below shows the new Clark Ave. along the top, and 21st St. and the new bike trail under I-64, along the right side:
It'll be great. Just having the never-to-be crosstown gulch filled in is such a huge deal. It was a massive scar on Market Street. Really a key in stitching together DTW to Midtown Alley and GC area. Eventually the 40/Market/Grand/FPP mess will be untangled. Iron Hill/Steelcote will become more connected. In time.
Zoomed plans of the "Pavilion", "Training Center", and Clark Ave./Bike Trail @CITY SC Training Compound:
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The "Pavilion" and parking lot at Market/21st Streets
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The "Training Center" and parking lot at 22nd St./Clark Ave.
Note the guardhouse and security gate at the 22nd St. entrance. The dashed triangle in the upper left corner is the south end of the Fairfield Inn parking garage.
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New Clark Ave. reconnection/21st St./Bike Trail
There is no parking lot shown on this corner.
But don't worry, for any patrons daring enough to make the 40' journey across the street, there will likely be two more new parking lots straddling Clark! And just imagine the warm and fuzzies of 8' security fences on all four corners!
The "Pavilion" and parking lot at Market/21st Streets
The "Training Center" and parking lot at 22nd St./Clark Ave.
Note the guardhouse and security gate at the 22nd St. entrance. The dashed triangle in the upper left corner is the south end of the Fairfield Inn parking garage.
New Clark Ave. reconnection/21st St./Bike Trail
There is no parking lot shown on this corner.
But don't worry, for any patrons daring enough to make the 40' journey across the street, there will likely be two more new parking lots straddling Clark! And just imagine the warm and fuzzies of 8' security fences on all four corners!- 6,119
Bravo! Well played, bwcrow1s. Well played.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Oct 03, 2020A bold new vision for Downtown West
Also, forgot to mention that the rebuilt Market Street will get a diet. It will be only 65' wide curb to curb, between the Pear Tree Inn entrance and 20th St. That's 4 traffic lanes and a turn lane/pedestrian refuge.
The current Market St. right-of-way is 100' wide, including the narrow sidewalks over the viaduct. It looks like most of the reclaimed space will be added onto the stadium plaza and Aloe Plaza West Park.
Olive Street (also 100' R.O.W.) appears to get a similar treatment, albeit with bike lanes in each direction.
The current Market St. right-of-way is 100' wide, including the narrow sidewalks over the viaduct. It looks like most of the reclaimed space will be added onto the stadium plaza and Aloe Plaza West Park.
Olive Street (also 100' R.O.W.) appears to get a similar treatment, albeit with bike lanes in each direction.
Speculation on my part but any thoughts on LHM making a run on the properties between 20th & 21st south of market to create its own version of a stadium/expanded entertainment district? I can see the Drury coming down at some point for a much bigger themed hotel with conference space/an indoor water park. Three pitches and weekend off season youth soccer tournaments, high school and college tournaments could easily drive some more room rents.
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I'd assume that LHM is just trying to survive until better times right now. Hotels are still down 75%dredger wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2020Speculation on my part but any thoughts on LHM making a run on the properties between 20th & 21st south of market to create its own version of a stadium/expanded entertainment district? I can see the Drury coming down at some point for a much bigger themed hotel with conference space/an indoor water park. Three pitches and weekend off season youth soccer tournaments, high school and college tournaments could easily drive some more room rents.
Honest question: If the fields were to be used for youth tournaments or similar, is there any room for spectators? Bathroom facilities or other basic amenities? It doesn't look like there are any accommodations for public use - unless portions of the "pavilion" or "training center" will be accessible.
That was one of the reasons I started looking at the plans, and no, there isn't any space for spectators anywhere.Tim wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2020Honest question: If the fields were to be used for youth tournaments or similar, is there any room for spectators? Bathroom facilities or other basic amenities? It doesn't look like there are any accommodations for public use - unless portions of the "pavilion" or "training center" will be accessible.
Those two buildings are still in design, so maybe there will be some bleachers on the upper level or roof of the Training Center, but given the use, and all the security fences and gate, it's unlikely that building will be accessible to anyone but the team and VIPs.
And fans wouldn't be able to see much from the Pavilion, whatever that will be. I'd guess it will have restrooms, a security office, and maybe some space for vendors. The question is: will it be open year-round, or just during events? I can't imagine what else such a small building could be, other than maybe retail space...?
An expanded family theme park is exactly what I expect to eventually fill the lots west of US.dredger wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2020Speculation on my part but any thoughts on LHM making a run on the properties between 20th & 21st south of market to create its own version of a stadium/expanded entertainment district? I can see the Drury coming down at some point for a much bigger themed hotel with conference space/an indoor water park. Three pitches and weekend off season youth soccer tournaments, high school and college tournaments could easily drive some more room rents.
Formwork being erected for the massive lid over the service tunnel and loading dock area.
Lots more photos, compliments of Jake H, here.
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Link to my tweet so I don’t have to retype it all
I don’t know why but not until I walked across Jefferson bridge today did it all click and what the plans showed....why is the EB on ramp sooooo long and really a bridge
I don’t know why but not until I walked across Jefferson bridge today did it all click and what the plans showed....why is the EB on ramp sooooo long and really a bridge
Because of the southward bend in I-64 there, and the fact it has to pass over the bike trail/Greenway, Metro tracks, Union Station rail lines, Amtrak turnaround, and the Union Station south parking lot...dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Oct 06, 2020I don’t know why but not until I walked across Jefferson bridge today did it all click and what the plans showed....why is the EB on ramp sooooo long and really a bridge
The thing I asked a long time ago, and still don't understand, is: why are they extending 22nd Ave. down into the small, cut-off UPS / industrial park area, just to connect to Scott Ave.
Also, why do they need additional, separate EB off-ramp and WB on-ramp from 22nd St.? They seem to think that 22nd St. interchange will see a ton of traffic, but how will they get people to use it?
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Is the 22nd street bridge (with an exit from EB 64) needed? I mean I’ll use it if I’m still downtown in 2022 (and working in west county)
This seems like a fairly good explanation:
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I don’t necessarily agree that Jefferson is “oversaturated” and would venture to say that it could easily handle the additional NGA traffic.
MoDOT’s desire to connect the new EB on-ramp to the existing ramp entrance on the elevated viaduct makes sense, even if it’s excessively long.
The 22nd street portion of the interchange probably isn’t necessary, but I’m sure will come in handy on game days.
I don’t necessarily agree that Jefferson is “oversaturated” and would venture to say that it could easily handle the additional NGA traffic.
MoDOT’s desire to connect the new EB on-ramp to the existing ramp entrance on the elevated viaduct makes sense, even if it’s excessively long.
The 22nd street portion of the interchange probably isn’t necessary, but I’m sure will come in handy on game days.
Well, I guess if Downtown West has exploded in a couple decades with high-density residential, office, and/or retail, it would be needed...but until then, I can't imagine it being used other than on gamedays.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Oct 06, 2020Is the 22nd street bridge (with an exit from EB 64) needed? I mean I’ll use it if I’m still downtown in 2022 (and working in west county)
It looks similar to the arterial roads that were built between Hanley Rd. and Brentwood Blvd. when I-64 was reconstructed a dozen years ago.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Oct 06, 2020Link to my tweet so I don’t have to retype it all
I don’t know why but not until I walked across Jefferson bridge today did it all click and what the plans showed....why is the EB on ramp sooooo long and really a bridge
Which would have been good here, elegant even. But they are mucking it up with an additional pair of ramps between 22nd and Jefferson for some reason.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑Oct 10, 2020It looks similar to the arterial roads that were built between Hanley Rd. and Brentwood Blvd. when I-64 was reconstructed a dozen years ago.
Which reminds me: Anyone ever hear any rumours of UPS expanding their facility on Jefferson...?
A couple of large, good resolution photos from the top of the Wheel, courtesy of Matt Baker:
The reconnected Clark Ave. is starting to take shape (left side of the bottom photo). It doesn't look like Bi-State has done anything to their lot south of the Drury yet, beyond demo. Still curious as to what they are going to do with it...
There is equipment on the west side of the Anthem lot today. Looks like soils testing and some other trucks of unknown purpose, maybe Ameren or electrical contractors disconnecting stuff...