The sitting president is responsible for 165,000 deaths and 210,000 by election. $3,500,000,000,000 deficit in a single year (higher than last 4 years of Obama combined and we are suppose to worry about Biden writing a crime bill in the 90s that had broad support?mjbais1489 wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020My point is - perhaps a lot of certain activist communities feel that way. Im not convinced there is a large share of people who vote who will change their vote (or not vote) based on this tickets perceived toughness on crime. Certainly did not hurt Joe Biden's effort to win the primary.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020I mean sure, but the gist of it for a lot of people boils down to:mjbais1489 wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020Also important to remember -the vast majority of people want safe neighborhoods. Saying you are against crime is a pretty popular position across racial/economic/geographical lines. Being against crime but trying to find better ways to fight/prevent it while limiting community damage is a pretty damn popular position to take.
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I see this feeling among a lot of left-wing types who are overrepresented on Twitter but definitely not representative of the median voter. Going for the mobile (and large) center as well as the center-right that is disillusioned with the current administration is clearly the winning strategy for this election.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020Oof. Got a bad feeling that Biden and the Dems just threw the election with the VP pick. Horrible optics to go with two "tough on crime" candidates considering the last couple of months of protests against the very thing that Biden and Harris are known for.
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Also, a competent leader would be able to listen to input from various parties, install actual experts in their fields to the highest offices in the nation and then take advice from said persons and perhaps change their own attitudes towards issues given facts & logic, rather than double or triple down on their (massively large) gut. I have been trying to hammer home with my 6 year old son that it's ok to admit you've made a mistake, but it's more important to try to fix the mistake and learn from it - sad that some septuagenarians still haven't mastered that lesson.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020The sitting president is responsible for 165,000 deaths and 210,000 by election. $3,500,000,000,000 deficit in a single year (higher than last 4 years of Obama combined and we are suppose to worry about Biden writing a crime bill in the 90s that had broad support?
Come on, now. I'm certainly no fan of Trump (I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher), but to blame him for all the Covid deaths in the US is quite a stretch.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020The sitting president is responsible for 165,000 deaths . . .
^ Maybe not directly...but he certainly hasn’t gone out of his way to try and prevent them either.
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Pandemic response is a federal government responsibility. The president is in charge of the federal government. He failed. It’s not a stretch. It’s a reasonable and logical statement.
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Also, if you remember from the RNC in 2016 he said (paraphrased) "I alone can fix this" - he can't only use that towards positives. It's all on him, whether fair or not.
Given their lifestyles, resources and that neither has had any major health issues (although there does seem to have been major intervention on both of their hairlines), I'd expect Trump and Biden to significantly outlive the next election.urbanitas wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020Not your usual VP choice though is it? As should the ticket win in November, she is likely to be President before the next election...
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This past weekend there was video of Biden cutting corners at high speed on bicycle so I think is he a spring chicken but a obese guy who can’t walk down a ramp or put together a coherent sentence ain’t a model of good health in old age
Likely? I don't think the evidence supports that. Sure, it's more likely in this case than for most other presidents, but I still don't think the odds are greater that he wouldn't finish his first term than that he would. Yes, he's old, but he's in reasonably good health, and he's going to have immediate 24-7 access to the absolute best medical care of any human being on earth.urbanitas wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020Not your usual VP choice though is it? As should the ticket win in November, she is likely to be President before the next election...mjbais1489 wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020I've never seen any evidence that people vote based on VP choice (as long as the VP choice is within a normal bound of reasonableness as Kamala clearly is).Trololzilla wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020Oof. Got a bad feeling that Biden and the Dems just threw the election with the VP pick. Horrible optics to go with two "tough on crime" candidates considering the last couple of months of protests against the very thing that Biden and Harris are known for.
It's certainly a possibility he doesn't live to see his 82nd birthday, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that's likely to be the case.
I think it is likely that he doesn't run for a second term. But I generally expect he'll probably be alive for the duration of his first.
Either one of them would be the oldest person ever elected president. It's a bit surprising given the current political environment, but doesn't seem particularly noteworthy otherwise. It'd be rather odd to view the election as a choice between Pence and Harris.
Jeez . . . I remember when Reagan was elected, everyone freaked out about how old he was.
He was 69.
He was 69.
Yeah, their age difference isn't even close. If Biden takes the oath of office January 20, 2021, he will be older on his first day than Reagan was on his last day in office (of course many would say Reagan checked out a couple years before that). At 77, Reagan is the oldest person to ever hold the office.framer wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020Jeez . . . I remember when Reagan was elected, everyone freaked out about how old he was.
He was 69.
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Um, Joe was dragged across the finish line by establishment endorsements and the perfect timing of his best state after voters rejected every acceptable liberal alternative.mjbais1489 wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020My point is - perhaps a lot of certain activist communities feel that way. Im not convinced there is a large share of people who vote who will change their vote (or not vote) based on this tickets perceived toughness on crime. Certainly did not hurt Joe Biden's effort to win the primary.
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I mean, can we not turn this into a meme page? If you want to play with memes go to twitter or facebook,
That's an interesting take. I guess you're saying that Bernie (who won the first three states - although tying in New Hampshire with Buttigieg) wasn't an acceptable alternative? I was surprised to see Biden win states like Washington, Idaho, Michigan, Maine and Minnesota that Hillary didn't.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2020Um, Joe was dragged across the finish line by establishment endorsements and the perfect timing of his best state after voters rejected every acceptable liberal alternative.mjbais1489 wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020My point is - perhaps a lot of certain activist communities feel that way. Im not convinced there is a large share of people who vote who will change their vote (or not vote) based on this tickets perceived toughness on crime. Certainly did not hurt Joe Biden's effort to win the primary.
Biden soared past the competition because an elder statesman African-American congressman from South Carolina gave the word to African-American voters that Joe was the guy who could save us from this Trumpian nightmare. African-American voters, who almost certainly have more at stake in this election than most other people, flocked en masse to Biden, because their #1 priority is making sure Donald Trump is not re-elected. Jim Clyburn telling African-American voters that Biden was their best bet to beat Trump is why Joe Biden is the Democratic presidential nominee today. Have no doubt that a big part of the reason that Kamala Harris was chosen to be VP is because African-American women put Biden in the position to become the nation's 46th president, and he knows that.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2020Um, Joe was dragged across the finish line by establishment endorsements and the perfect timing of his best state after voters rejected every acceptable liberal alternative.mjbais1489 wrote: ↑Aug 13, 2020My point is - perhaps a lot of certain activist communities feel that way. Im not convinced there is a large share of people who vote who will change their vote (or not vote) based on this tickets perceived toughness on crime. Certainly did not hurt Joe Biden's effort to win the primary.
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Sometime soon when I find the time, I want to swing this thread to what does Biden Admin vs Trump admin mean for stl, specifically transportation funding. As you may guess, their ideas are very different and literally one would give us a good shot at NS metro link and the other will keep spending on rural highways
October 2016: Trump campaign unveils plan to spend $1 trillion on roads, bridges, and other infrastructure with no tax hikesdbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2020Sometime soon when I find the time, I want to swing this thread to what does Biden Admin vs Trump admin mean for stl, specifically transportation funding. As you may guess, their ideas are very different and literally one would give us a good shot at NS metro link and the other will keep spending on rural highways
June 2020: Trump team prepares $1 trillion infrastructure plan to spur economy
Four years seems to have provided a strong case of deja vu and not much else to show for it.
In his November 2016 victory speech Trump said: “We are going to fix our inner cities and rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports. We’re going to rebuild our infrastructure, which will become, by the way, second to none. And we will put millions of our people to work as we rebuild it.” In my opinion that pledge has gone unfulfilled.
I'm sure there were plenty of imperfections to the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act of 2009, but at least it got results and made material infrastructure and transportation investments.
db, I'm sure you have a lot more to say on the matter, but that's pretty much where I'm at on Trump v. Biden in terms of infrastructure funding. If there are significant transportation/infrastructure achievements by the current administration (especially in the St. Louis metro) that I'm missing, I'd love to hear about it.
Anybody else getting a little unnerved about the current administration's meddling with the United States Postal Service (ie taking 671 mail sorting machines offline in key swing states for no apparent reason)? It kind of feels like they're straight-up trying to steal an election. I agree with U.S. Senator Brian Schatz (D-HI)...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... emergency/
But don't take Schatz' word for it that Trump is screwing with the USPS to try to help himself in the election - Trump himself admitted that he is opposed to additional funding for the USPS because he wants mail-in voting to be hampered:
https://slate.com/business/2020/08/trum ... nding.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... emergency/
But don't take Schatz' word for it that Trump is screwing with the USPS to try to help himself in the election - Trump himself admitted that he is opposed to additional funding for the USPS because he wants mail-in voting to be hampered:
https://slate.com/business/2020/08/trum ... nding.html
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I'm trying to figure out what election may be the closest parallel to how this one will turn out? 1968? 2000? 1860?
Assuming we survive this nightmare, there needs to be a truth & reconciliation commission formed, and United States Postmaster General Louis DeJoy needs to be brought up on RICO charges.
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Would also be nice if they got rid of the asinine pension pre-funding that the USPS has to do.
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Well, the US military is reportedly gaming out warplans for how to handle the transition. I really don't know that there is a good parallel. Have we ever before had a president who wouldn't promise to respect the vote? I worry that the closest recent parallel might be The War of the Roses. But I shouldn't wish to insult either Richard III or Henry VII so.imperialmog wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2020I'm trying to figure out what election may be the closest parallel to how this one will turn out? 1968? 2000? 1860?