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Italian?!? 
If you click the story they’ve changed it to Mediterranean
If you click the story they’ve changed it to Mediterranean
Was thinking the same thing. Especially since they posted this article on their social media. No mention of the "Italian" mistake.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑May 07, 2020Italian?!?
If you click the story they’ve changed it to Mediterranean
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^But aren't you glad SLU has all that parking and lovely green dog lawn now? To be fair, SLU didn't create every hole in that picture, but they sure do seem to own all of them now. (And Biondi really did create a lot of them.)
Gorgeous picture. Makes me very sad for what we've lost.
Gorgeous picture. Makes me very sad for what we've lost.
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Welp, this fine story out of St. Louis is finally making the national and international rounds, at least on Facebook.
KMOV - Video shows alleged assault of black woman, son by white Des Peres officers at Sam's Club
KMOV - Video shows alleged assault of black woman, son by white Des Peres officers at Sam's Club
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^ was there a receipt? the KMOV story conveniently doesn't bother to mention. if so, then the Grays are immediately vindicated. a little weird, though, that they decided to return it on the same day. these stories are written to incite.
The covidiot at the Second Wave Party Covid made the NBC Nightly News tonight.
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As far as I understand it, an employee straight-up told the cop that they had already purchased the TV and he still decided to call for backup. If he was told that, then that should immediately have been the end of it.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 30, 2020^ was there a receipt? the KMOV story conveniently doesn't bother to mention. if so, then the Grays are immediately vindicated. a little weird, though, that they decided to return it on the same day. these stories are written to incite.
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Could it also be that they decided to not give that store money after one of their employees assumed they were stealing?urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 30, 2020a little weird, though, that they decided to return it on the same day. these stories are written to incite.
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employees can lie. it's possible that the employee was in on it. a receipt would clear it all up. that's all it takes—a receipt.Trololzilla wrote: ↑May 31, 2020As far as I understand it, an employee straight-up told the cop that they had already purchased the TV and he still decided to call for backup. If he was told that, then that should immediately have been the end of it.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 30, 2020^ was there a receipt? the KMOV story conveniently doesn't bother to mention. if so, then the Grays are immediately vindicated. a little weird, though, that they decided to return it on the same day. these stories are written to incite.
sure, that's possible. like i said, where's the receipt? no mention of that critical piece of info in the KMOV story.
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That seems incredibly far-fetched. How many times does that legitimately happen aside from major burglary (like from jewelry stores or something)? They likely had a receipt anyway, since they were assaulted while trying to return the TV later (not something you'd try to do if you'd stolen it, I'd wager).urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 31, 2020employees can lie. it's possible that the employee was in on it. a receipt would clear it all up. that's all it takes—a receipt.
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^ sorry i don't have stats for you, but it's really not that far fetched. employees steal stuff all the time. people attempt to return stuff (including stolen stuff) without receipts all the time. i think you're overestimating the amount of coordination required to pull something like this off. it's not the Crown Jewels; it's a TV from Sam's Club.
that said, i'm not arguing that they stole it, nor am i making any statement about the allegations of abuse. i'm saying that either there's a receipt of purchase (in which case they're completely exonerated) or there isn't (in which case they're at least suspect). no reputable news source would leave out such an important bit of information unless their goal were to incite rather than inform their readers, which seems to be the general M.O. of most "news" outlets these days—especially the local ones.
that said, i'm not arguing that they stole it, nor am i making any statement about the allegations of abuse. i'm saying that either there's a receipt of purchase (in which case they're completely exonerated) or there isn't (in which case they're at least suspect). no reputable news source would leave out such an important bit of information unless their goal were to incite rather than inform their readers, which seems to be the general M.O. of most "news" outlets these days—especially the local ones.
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^You're calling their story into doubt. You don't need to argue they stole it. You can simply argue they haven't proved they bought it. It's an old old pattern, and it's pretty fundamentally dishonest. Your questions isn't an honest question. It's rhetoric. They can't present a receipt to you. They're not on trial here. The facts as they are known have been presented, and they clear them. We have no capacity to collect additional facts, and insinuations that we do can serve little purpose beyond polemic. Please answer yes or no only: Have you quit sewing discord on the USTL forums yet?
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^ so you don't believe the KMOV reporter had a journalistic duty to inquire whether or not a receipt exists? a quick call to Sam's Club before writing the article? i would expect the same if the accused were white. it's blatant common sense. what's dishonest is writing the article in a way that leaves it open to interpretation in whatever way gets you the most riled up. if the author did inquire and was told that Sam's Club could not divulge that information, or something to that effect, then that should have been stated in the story. LOL at “sewing discord”. very dramatic. that’s me, i guess. just going around discombobulating the hearts and minds of urbanSTL forumers everywhere. anyway, i don't do this infinite back and forth anymore. i'm leaving it there. assume what you will about me. i don't really care.
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Granting the premise that the TV was stolen, does that justify a physical altercation?urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Jun 04, 2020^ so you don't believe the KMOV reporter had a journalistic duty to inquire whether or not a receipt exists? a quick call to Sam's Club before writing the article? i would expect the same if the accused were white. it's blatant common sense. what's dishonest is writing the article in a way that leaves it open to interpretation in whatever way gets you the most riled up. if the author did inquire and was told that Sam's Club could not divulge that information, or something to that effect, then that should have been stated in the story. LOL at “sewing discord”. very dramatic. that’s me, i guess. just going around discombobulating the hearts and minds of urbanSTL forumers everywhere. anyway, i don't do this infinite back and forth anymore. i'm leaving it there. assume what you will about me. i don't really care.
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^ no, and i never said that it does. aside from accurate reporting about the receipt, i would expect accurate reporting about the altercation (for which they provided video).
okay, i'm really out this time.
okay, i'm really out this time.
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Right - so you are directing your attention on whether or not a minor crime occured, while the bigger question should (probably) be, did the trained LEOs handle their portion of the interaction correctly. A (presumed) criminal does not take the oath to "Serve and Protect" - LEOs do. Don't let shiny pennies distract you - or - don't try to use those shiny pennies to distract others.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Jun 04, 2020^ no, and i never said that it does. aside from accurate reporting about the receipt, i would expect accurate reporting about the altercation (for which they provided video).
okay, i'm really out this time.
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Some modest coverage of St. Louis in a FiveThirtyEight segment discussing coverage of protests in the mainstream media.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/how- ... t-matters/
It's pretty neutral, really just acknowledgement that protests against police brutality aren't new, and that Black Lives Matter got it's first big national recognition in Ferguson. And then slowly faded for a while before storming back onto the national stage with increasingly broad general support. Not really very much about St. Louis apart from those few mentions, but it's a good story and worth a listen anyway.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/how- ... t-matters/
It's pretty neutral, really just acknowledgement that protests against police brutality aren't new, and that Black Lives Matter got it's first big national recognition in Ferguson. And then slowly faded for a while before storming back onto the national stage with increasingly broad general support. Not really very much about St. Louis apart from those few mentions, but it's a good story and worth a listen anyway.
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ESPN had a 2 hour doc on McGwire/Sosa 1998 home run chase last night and it had a A LOT of cool present day shots from around St.Louis- downtown, Forest Park, Cherokee, Grove etc. if you werent from here and watched it, you'd think it looks like a pretty cool place to live
Indeed was nice to see. Notable what they thought was interesting to show.
Not so much national...but a pretty cool looking documentary is coming out next month about the Hill.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/col ... cd24f.html
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/col ... cd24f.html