I agree. Most of the lost restaurants were pretty weak concepts, or reiterative, or chains. The high rents don't help either.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2020since 2018 (not just restaurants)downtown2007 wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2020Bar Louie’s parent filed for BK but why did they close the CWE location while all others in the region remain open?
I used to think the CWE closures were from poor performance however this is becoming an alarming trend and am beginning to think otherwise.
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Closed
Coffee Cartel
1764
Taze
Bissengers
Culpeppers
Fro Yo
The Tavern
Central Table
Llwellyns
Bar Louis
Zza
Brennans
I think what you're seeing is a reset
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Rest(aurant) in Peace. CWE has been a glorified food court for decades. I think a big problem is with parking. We should get rid of the meters; make it like you want people to come, stay and not worry about a $15 ticket.
Any reasoning or is that the extent of the level of thought you put into it?downtown2007 wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2020Toms is next
Someone doesn’t understand the basic concept behind parking meters.
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A MM dispensary was granted for that location.aprice wrote:Any reasoning or is that the extent of the level of thought you put into it?downtown2007 wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2020Toms is next
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Why would there be? Toms is open in the meantime.aprice wrote:Odd that there's been no media coverage of this.downtown2007 wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2020A MM dispensary was granted for that location.aprice wrote: Any reasoning or is that the extent of the level of thought you put into it?
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I'm guessing you can't have a bar/restaurant/pot dispensary. I hope this is a typo.
Maybe 20 N Euclid?
Nicki's Central West End Guide - CWENDER DAVID STROM ON RECENT CLOSINGS
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I wonder how many potential bars and restaurants have shied away from opening in CWE after the problems Up-Down had.
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Salt and Smoke got one and they are a few hundred feet from Up Down.
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I personally think it is just ridiculous that a TV news station (in this case KSDK) first "breaking story" of the evening rush was to cover a restaurant closing in the CWE. It is nothing more that a slap in the face to STL IMO. Why do they do this crap.
First off, Culpeppers was closed because they lost their lease in the buildings sale to the Chess Museum
Second, 1764 closed because (as the owner said) their company was spread too thin on restaurants and monies - but LOVE (not) the fact that he said the 100 Highrise was to blame too - what? He said it had run over their construction deadline... really??? I didn't know that. It also has absolutely no road closures on the block and didn't hinder a thing with his restaurant. Does everyone have to blame something (usually progress) for their demise? Just pitiful and sad.
Restaurants come and go. Woopie!
First off, Culpeppers was closed because they lost their lease in the buildings sale to the Chess Museum
Second, 1764 closed because (as the owner said) their company was spread too thin on restaurants and monies - but LOVE (not) the fact that he said the 100 Highrise was to blame too - what? He said it had run over their construction deadline... really??? I didn't know that. It also has absolutely no road closures on the block and didn't hinder a thing with his restaurant. Does everyone have to blame something (usually progress) for their demise? Just pitiful and sad.
Restaurants come and go. Woopie!
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^I agree, you get 5 news articles on city restaurant closures (and crime occurrences) and they make them sound "earth shattering/breaking news/city is DYING/DANGEROUS." The media in STL is TERRIBLE, ABSOLUTE TRASH. I lived in KC for several years and many restaurants close, still very high crime, and their news outlets did not cover this stuff as seriously as STL does. I lived in DT KC and someone was knifed to death in my parking garage, not much news on that, or when someone slashed 30 cars tires on my street in Midtown.
I had to text my friends and coworkers about the mass shooting in KC that happened last week when the Cheifs won - none of them had heard of it. If that happened in STL, media would be all over it and people would be even more afraid to step in the city. This is my main frustration when talking to other St. Louisans, many do not know about the good and I particularly blame the media front.
I had to text my friends and coworkers about the mass shooting in KC that happened last week when the Cheifs won - none of them had heard of it. If that happened in STL, media would be all over it and people would be even more afraid to step in the city. This is my main frustration when talking to other St. Louisans, many do not know about the good and I particularly blame the media front.
I live in the neighborhood and remember walking down to Euclid/Maryland on an august evening a few years ago and the ambience was perfect: soft lighting and all 4 corner patios full of people eating/chatting with the Chase rising in the distance. I remember thinking it was every bit as happening as any square I had been to in Europe.
Here's my sense (cents). CWE is becoming a victim of its own success. Too much emphasis on high-priced products, larger footprints and luxury concepts catering to the 'wealthy' . Once this obsession has run its course, perhaps there will be another correction with the closure of mall-like stores and the return of more small-format local businesses.
To those who cry about parking, Again, there is a Friggin parking garage a few steps away that does not charge exhorbitant rates.
Here's my sense (cents). CWE is becoming a victim of its own success. Too much emphasis on high-priced products, larger footprints and luxury concepts catering to the 'wealthy' . Once this obsession has run its course, perhaps there will be another correction with the closure of mall-like stores and the return of more small-format local businesses.
To those who cry about parking, Again, there is a Friggin parking garage a few steps away that does not charge exhorbitant rates.
I was very excited for this concept when it was announced. I went twice in the first few months of opening. It was extremely expensive for below average food. All shimmer no substance.matguy70 wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2020I personally think it is just ridiculous that a TV news station (in this case KSDK) first "breaking story" of the evening rush was to cover a restaurant closing in the CWE. It is nothing more that a slap in the face to STL IMO. Why do they do this crap.
First off, Culpeppers was closed because they lost their lease in the buildings sale to the Chess Museum
Second, 1764 closed because (as the owner said) their company was spread too thin on restaurants and monies - but LOVE (not) the fact that he said the 100 Highrise was to blame too - what? He said it had run over their construction deadline... really??? I didn't know that. It also has absolutely no road closures on the block and didn't hinder a thing with his restaurant. Does everyone have to blame something (usually progress) for their demise? Just pitiful and sad.
Restaurants come and go. Woopie!
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I'd have to guess that the rent on that spot was absolutely ridiculous. Before 1764 moved in, that spot was vacant for at least a decade, right? The only reason I could think that it would be vacant that long would be the rent was way too high.RuskiSTL wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2020I was very excited for this concept when it was announced. I went twice in the first few months of opening. It was extremely expensive for below average food. All shimmer no substance.matguy70 wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2020I personally think it is just ridiculous that a TV news station (in this case KSDK) first "breaking story" of the evening rush was to cover a restaurant closing in the CWE. It is nothing more that a slap in the face to STL IMO. Why do they do this crap.
First off, Culpeppers was closed because they lost their lease in the buildings sale to the Chess Museum
Second, 1764 closed because (as the owner said) their company was spread too thin on restaurants and monies - but LOVE (not) the fact that he said the 100 Highrise was to blame too - what? He said it had run over their construction deadline... really??? I didn't know that. It also has absolutely no road closures on the block and didn't hinder a thing with his restaurant. Does everyone have to blame something (usually progress) for their demise? Just pitiful and sad.
Restaurants come and go. Woopie!
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I feel you here. That intersection was PERFECT. Hopefully a small bar concept with a lot of outdoor seating takes over the small space left by Blue Mercury, because the former Cartel Coffee sidewalk is suddenly huge and empty. Hoping the Chess HOF does something with their sidewalk as well. Ideally a chess themed bar, but I'll take more outdoor chess tables tooI live in the neighborhood and remember walking down to Euclid/Maryland on an august evening a few years ago and the ambience was perfect: soft lighting and all 4 corner patios full of people eating/chatting with the Chase rising in the distance. I remember thinking it was every bit as happening as any square I had been to in Europe.
Tiny Bar CWE? Operated by the Retreat/Yellowbelly Team, of course.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2020Hopefully a small bar concept with a lot of outdoor seating takes over the small space left by Blue Mercury, because the former Cartel Coffee sidewalk is suddenly huge and empty.
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StlToday - Guerrilla Street Food to close Maryland Heights, Tower Grove East locations
Guerilla Street Food in trouble
Guerilla Street Food in trouble
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Between Guerilla SF and Steve's Hot Dogs closing, it's been a rough couple of days for Tower Grove restaurants.
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sad to hear about Guerilla. i ate at the Loop location a couple of times. thought it was pretty good but it didn't really compel me to return, either.
as for Steve's, i ordered a veggie dog there once and it was basically a microwave tofu pup with some condiments on it.
just my experiences. both were a couple years ago.
as for Steve's, i ordered a veggie dog there once and it was basically a microwave tofu pup with some condiments on it.
just my experiences. both were a couple years ago.
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My experiences were pretty much the same as yours for both of those.