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dbInSouthCity wrote:If I had to put some money down I’d say this is a love triangle

Why do you think this?

It's just a comment on Reddit so take it for what it's worth (rumors, unofficial sources, et al), but since the police haven't released any information this is all we've got so far:

Shaw resident checking in. My wife and I are shocked, we live a block away from Sasha's.

Our neighborhood FB and ND groups are obviously all focused on on the shooting this morning. It's still not confirmed and only have first hand accounts but folks have described it like, shooter comes in and fires at a specific guy in the bar. The target was hit in the neck and is the person in critical. Two others injured but did not appear to be targets. A woman was injured by "shrapnel" not sure about the other victim except it's not a serious injury.

-RBB

rbb wrote:It's just a comment on Reddit so take it for what it's worth (rumors, unofficial sources, et al), but since the police haven't released any information this is all we've got so far:

Shaw resident checking in. My wife and I are shocked, we live a block away from Sasha's.

Our neighborhood FB and ND groups are obviously all focused on on the shooting this morning. It's still not confirmed and only have first hand accounts but folks have described it like, shooter comes in and fires at a specific guy in the bar. The target was hit in the neck and is the person in critical. Two others injured but did not appear to be targets. A woman was injured by "shrapnel" not sure about the other victim except it's not a serious injury.

-RBB

The shooting happened inside Sashas!?!?

stlien wrote:

rbb wrote:It's just a comment on Reddit so take it for what it's worth (rumors, unofficial sources, et al), but since the police haven't released any information this is all we've got so far:

Shaw resident checking in. My wife and I are shocked, we live a block away from Sasha's.

Our neighborhood FB and ND groups are obviously all focused on on the shooting this morning. It's still not confirmed and only have first hand accounts but folks have described it like, shooter comes in and fires at a specific guy in the bar. The target was hit in the neck and is the person in critical. Two others injured but did not appear to be targets. A woman was injured by "shrapnel" not sure about the other victim except it's not a serious injury.

-RBB

The shooting happened inside Sashas!?!?

That's what it sounds like. Hardly any details out though. Not even a description/sex of anyone involved. I hope that is because they don't want to chase away suspects or witnesses rather than not knowing anything.

List of cities by murder rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... urder_rate

Has anyone heard anything about the shooting in the grove area yesterday?

sc4mayor wrote:^
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... bd526.html

Not good. Someone told me they saw a bunch of police cars with a guy in custody as they drove past. 

^ in the first PD link she was in her 20s with wounds to her head and arms. in the second she was 33 with a gunshot wound to her chest.

they can't get the details straight but they sure didn't forget to mention both times that crime is up 12% in FPSE over last year.

2018 FBI Crime Data Tables just came out showing crime rates - crimes per 100K population.  Here are some charts I created from FBI Table 6 that shows St Louis Metro ranking with respect to 1) 25 largest metros, 2) 50 largest metros, and 3) all 345 metros that had data in Table 6.  

Some metros are not in the table at all such as NY City metro, Denver metro, and Kansas City metro.  And others have data in the table for some crime categories but not others.  St. Louis metro is missing some of the property crime data.

If I'm reading this correctly then these charts are a terrible way to present the data. It is not clear what rank means. We're 18th out of the top 23 in terms of population (17 others have more population). We're 2nd in murder which means either we have the 2nd lowest or 2nd highest numbers. Based on how the population is presented it means we have the 2nd highest murder rate per 100k. Is this correct?

Sorry, I was trying to find a good way in Google Sheets to show just all St. Louis ranking for all categories.  So yes, of the 23 metros out of the 25 largest that have crime data in the report, St. Louis metro ranks #2, second worst, for Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter.  So these are crime rankings. Not safety rankings.  A ranking of 2 of 23 reporting crimes is not good.

Here is a chart of only violent crime rates per 100K (& populations) for the 25 largest metros.  Violent crime rates are just a sum of the four violent crime categories: 1) Murder and non negligent manslaughter, Rape 1, Robbery, and Aggravated assault.
 FBI did not compute a violent crime rate for 5 metros in the top 25.

Poor Baltimore. They've been having a rough couple of years, both crime-wise as well as PR wise. I think we know how they feel.  

gary kreie wrote:Sorry, I was trying to find a good way in Google Sheets to show just all St. Louis ranking for all categories.  So yes, of the 23 metros out of the 25 largest that have crime data in the report, St. Louis metro ranks #2, second worst, for Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter.  So these are crime rankings. Not safety rankings.  A ranking of 2 of 23 reporting crimes is not good.

Here is a chart of only violent crime rates per 100K (& populations) for the 25 largest metros.  Violent crime rates are just a sum of the four violent crime categories: 1) Murder and non negligent manslaughter, Rape 1, Robbery, and Aggravated assault.
 FBI did not compute a violent crime rate for 5 metros in the top 25.

Thanks for clarifying. I was under the impression that if were to consider the whole MSA that STL would be much lower on list of violet cities. I thought that was a major point of the merger.

flipz wrote:

gary kreie wrote:Sorry, I was trying to find a good way in Google Sheets to show just all St. Louis ranking for all categories.  So yes, of the 23 metros out of the 25 largest that have crime data in the report, St. Louis metro ranks #2, second worst, for Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter.  So these are crime rankings. Not safety rankings.  A ranking of 2 of 23 reporting crimes is not good.

Here is a chart of only violent crime rates per 100K (& populations) for the 25 largest metros.  Violent crime rates are just a sum of the four violent crime categories: 1) Murder and non negligent manslaughter, Rape 1, Robbery, and Aggravated assault.
 FBI did not compute a violent crime rate for 5 metros in the top 25.

Thanks for clarifying. I was under the impression that if were to consider the whole MSA that STL would be much lower on list of violet cities. I thought that was a major point of the merger.

I think we used to be better.  Also, the FBI used to compute an overall crime index which also included property crime.  St. Louis metro property crime is usually low compared to other areas which moves our total crime ranking to the middle.  But the FBI doesn't compute total crime index anymore.  And some entities in our metro, not St. Louis City or St. Charles, were so far off from UCR reporting standards I guess, that the FBI didn't even try to estimate burglary or motor vehicle crime.  Only larceny.  So I couldn't do a property crime chart that included St. Louis.

gary kreie wrote:

flipz wrote:

gary kreie wrote:Sorry, I was trying to find a good way in Google Sheets to show just all St. Louis ranking for all categories.  So yes, of the 23 metros out of the 25 largest that have crime data in the report, St. Louis metro ranks #2, second worst, for Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter.  So these are crime rankings. Not safety rankings.  A ranking of 2 of 23 reporting crimes is not good.

Here is a chart of only violent crime rates per 100K (& populations) for the 25 largest metros.  Violent crime rates are just a sum of the four violent crime categories: 1) Murder and non negligent manslaughter, Rape 1, Robbery, and Aggravated assault.
 FBI did not compute a violent crime rate for 5 metros in the top 25.

Thanks for clarifying. I was under the impression that if were to consider the whole MSA that STL would be much lower on list of violet cities. I thought that was a major point of the merger.

I think we used to be better.  Also, the FBI used to compute an overall crime index which also included property crime.  St. Louis metro property crime is usually low compared to other areas which moves our total crime ranking to the middle.  But the FBI doesn't compute total crime index anymore.  And some entities in our metro, not St. Louis City or St. Charles, were so far off from UCR reporting standards I guess, that the FBI didn't even try to estimate burglary or motor vehicle crime.  Only larceny.  So I couldn't do a property crime chart that included St. Louis.

I wasn't thinking. The MSA includes both sides of the river. There is significant amount of violent crime on the IL side that wouldn't be counted with just STL city plus STL county. 

urban_dilettante wrote: ↑

Oct 25, 2017

^ 30-something gunshots just north of Marquette Park a few minutes ago... not so sure it isn't out of control. we need to try something new. i'm a big advocate for https://www.pss-1.com/.

Aerial Surveillance Proposal Could Fight St. Louis Crime, But Raises Privacy Concerns
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/ae ... y-concerns

i've been advocating for Persistent Surveillance Systems to come to St. Louis for several years now and it appears it might happen if certain alders and paranoid idiots don't f*ck it up. i say we give Alderwoman Rice the job of informing parents that their kids were murdered in a drug-related shootout that could have been prevented but at least they can rest assured that their funeral procession won't be hypothetically monitored by nefarious forces en route to the cemetery. I mean, why try anything in the present that has measurably reduced crime in other cities when we can just hope that improved police-community relations might lead to fewer dead children three generations from now?

Oh, by the way, there was another car jacking around the corner from my house the other morning. Less than a block away. Same street as the double murder a few weeks ago. That jacked car would have been tracked to its destination and the perp arrested if surveillance were in place.

Don't commit crime and you'll be just fine. 

I'd love to see this implemented. 

I'm also for this if it is done right. I feel that we give up way more privacy through the internet than this system.